Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by Texans Horror, Aug 7, 2007.
For discussion, as we near the first pre-season game.
This should be an interesting dicussion...
The one thing the writer didn't really acknowledge is where the guys played and who they played under. Levy was gone at Buffalo and you are in a totally different environment. Schaub is being tutored by a QB guy who has had success tutoring QBs. The Buffalo situation was a mess with Phillips and Gregg Williams. Apples and oranges to me.
The Kubiak/Smith era is riding on Schaub being a success.
IMO, the Texans didn't have to trade for Schaub to get to 8-8 in 2007.
Just because you get divorced, doesn't mean you have to get remarried.
Flexibility would have been nice in 2008, but marketing seems to always trump most things in the Texans decision making regarding the QB position (except for one instant in 2006 in the 1st round of the draft).
Kubiak hasn't had much success in his first year at the Texans in QB decisions.
He's just about spot on. Schaub has a lot to prove. I don't fault the Texans for taking a chance there, and I don't fault them for making a move to correct an earlier mistake. Some would like to bash the Texans for that earlier mistake, but to me, they owned it and made a move to correct it. We'll see if it works out, but at least they made a move to try and improve the team.
The mistake that you are referring to, is it Carr?
The Texans made more than one mistake with Carr.
It first started in drafting him, and then I could go on and on...
How was that his fault? So you sweep all his success with QBs out and because the team resigns Carr, forces his hand, and Carr fails, Kubes didn't do his job? What did you expect? You ever hear of lipstick on a pig...there you go. If you are in anyway talking about VY, Carr, etc, etc...then Kubes really didn't have a choice.
I think Rob Johnson is a worst-case scenario. Schaub has better tools and coaches around him (e.g., Kubiak) than Rob did, so while I am not sold on his instant-success, I think in the end Schaub will end up a much better QB and a solid choice.
Rob Johnson's still better than Carr.
There is an old saying, "the buck stops here."
Kubiak shouldn't have taken the job then.
If an owner is pushing personnel decisions on you, that should be a big red flag.
So, yes I blame Kubiak regarding Carr.
I would have preferred VY, but there were 2 other highly regarded QBs to choose from at #1 last year. An excellent opportunity lost in my opinion. Not to mention, saving $8 million.
If Schaub doesn't live up to expectations, Kubiak is not the QB guru that everybody thinks he is or he is just a "yes man" to McNair.
Either way, his head coaching career will be suffering.
Had Schaub been traded to a media darling team, he would have been compared to Brett Favre. A young Falcon QB who wasn't going to start, dealt to a QB hungry team for the equivalent of a 1st round pick. But, Schaub went to Houston. So we have to dig up the worst possible comparison. So typical.
shoulda picked vince.
No reason for me to post when someone obviously shares my opinion
No, but the goal is not to just be 8-8 in 2007. The Texans probably could have gone 8-8 without Schaub this year, but it's unlikely that they would improve on that next year and THAT is really the goal. If the Texans go 8-8 this year and then 8-8 again next year, that's not so good. But if they go 8-8 this year and then 10-6 next year, that's good.
Don't measure the Schaub trade based on this years record.
That is alot of "if"s. When guys interview in the NFL and need to get their foot in the door then they take on many things...past coaches players, staff and owners who have agendas. Saying he should not have taken the job is easy to say and in my book a ridiculous statement. The Carr signing, which wasn't in Kubes hands, was placed on his lap. Therefore all the dominos you laid out were out of his hands. His job starts now. What you are saying is that any QB out there can be fixed by a "QB guy." That makes no sense considering the NFL is littered with sub-par QBs. You simplified a situation way too much. NOW, if he can't get Schaub to work after a couple of years then he is in trouble but to start in on him after 1 year is beyond myopic. Schaub was Kubiak and Smiths first jump into the fray and they have to live with it. Expecting miracles in Year 1....not sure what to say. The goal is to progressively build into a consistent winner.
This article blatantly ignores any comparison between Schaub and Johnson other than they were both backup QBs with one good game under them. I'd like to think Kubes and Smith looked at more than just that one game before making a decision.
I don't remember the Rob Johnson era all that well, but I do remember that he wasn't a great leader with his teammates, he was slow to make decisions, and he didn't have the greatest work ethic.
So far, and yes I know there's not a lot to go on, Schaub seems to be passing all those tests.
A guy who hasn't spent most of their adult life employed by the NFL and doesn't have a passion for coaching
The writer says the comparison is eerily similar?
It's far from it.
What the writer FAILED (in a big way) to do, is to connect how Schaub also has a laid-back surfer dude attitude like he describes Ron Johnson as having.
1. Schaub is not similar to Rob Johnson in terms of personality.
2. Schaub was an accomplished QB in a WCO for several years, and now is running a WCO-type of system under Kubiak and Little Shanny...two guys who obviously know what they're doing with QBs/WRs.
Our o-line and possibly the run game, with assistance from Kubiak/Sherman, reduced QB sacks by 26 from 2005 to 2006. Carr had several games where he did not get sacked even once, and yet what did David "do" in those games? He went 16-for-20something and about 160 yards vs. Indy...that's what he did. How do you stay un-sacked and go for 160 yards in an entire game? David is stale bread. Period.
I am not ready to anoint Schaub as a HOF'er and fit his golden blazer yet...but I am fairly confident that it cannot get worse with Schaub at QB.
ABD (Anybody But David) is OK with me. We went five years with the guy, he got rich, we got hosed, and we deserve a new direction at QB.
Any QB that they are going to go after is going to be evaluated by the Texans...not the hype machine that is ESPN....
Question: If the Texans evaluated Schaub and came to the conclusion that he was a QB that could take this team to the next level, why should they wait and take a gamble that a QB would be available next year, when they had what they wanted this year ?
That doesn't make any sense...
That's almost like saying the Miami Dolphins have an ideal QB situation.
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