bah007 Updated Position Rankings - Offense

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  1. bah007

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    Smith's issue is out in the open so I could take it into account, but I'm sure there are other guys out there that failed medicals and we won't find out about it until after the draft. I look at it this way. I'm playing pretend scout and I'm grading the players by what I see on the field. If I worked for a team it would be up to the doctors and decision makers to determine if his injury prognosis is too much risk. I just tell them what he can do on the field.
     
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    Hey doc what's your prognosis on Karl Joseph?
     
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    NFL players have an ~85% chance of return to play (one study found ~ 66%)..........vets having 4 years or more experience and players taken in the 1st 3 rounds are more likely to return. Approximately 5% risk of the same ACL rupturing within 2 years with an approximate additional similar risk for rupture of the opposite ACL................so essentially an approximate risk of 10% rupture of one or the other ACL. [Edit addition: Younger age and return to a pivoting or cutting sport increased the chance of an ipsilateral graft tear or contralateral ACL injury.]

    Although there have been cases well publicized of players returning in 6 months, the majority do not return functionally before 10-12 months. For those players who have returned, performance has been all over the place in studies ranging anywhere from ~90-100% to 33%, at one year following the surgery.
     
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    Mussop, please note my Edit addition which I posted after you read my post.
     
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    Thanks doc . Much appreciated!
     
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    It was a long season, and I haven't had nearly as much free time as I normally do to watch and scout games. But here is an early look at my take on this year's draft class on offense:

    QB

    1. Mitch Trubisky – North Carolina
    2. DeShone Kizer – Notre Dame
    3. Mason Rudolph – Oklahoma St
    4. Brad Kaaya – Miami
    5. Chad Kelly – Mississippi
    6. Deshaun Watson – Clemson
    7. Cooper Rush – Central Michigan
    8. Nathan Peterman – Pittsburgh
    9. Davis Webb – California
    10. Zach Terrell – Western Michigan
    11. Josh Dobbs – Tennessee
    12. Seth Russell – Baylor
    13. C.J. Beathard – Iowa
    14. Sefo Liufau – Colorado


    RB
    1. Leonard Fournette – LSU
    2. Jeremy McNichols – Boise St
    3. D’Onta Foreman – Texas
    4. Dalvin Cook – Florida St
    5. Wayne Gallman – Clemson
    6. Christian McCaffrey – Stanford
    7. Elijah Hood – North Carolina
    8. Nick Chubb – Georgia
    9. Brian Hill – Wyoming
    10. Royce Freeman – Oregon
    11. Kareem Hunt – Toledo
    12. Corey Clement – Wisconsin
    13. Samaje Perine – Oklahoma
    14. Justin Davis – USC
    15. Joe Williams – Utah
    16. Jamaal Williams – BYU
    17. De’Veon Smith – Michigan
    18. Russel Shell – West Virginia
    19. Leon Allen – Western Kentucky
    20. Brandon Radcliff – Louisville


    FB
    1. Freddie Stevenson – Florida St
    2. Sam Rogers – Virginia Tech
    3. Michael Zunica – Kansas


    WR
    1. Corey Davis – Western Michigan
    2. Mike Williams – Clemson
    3. John Ross – Washington
    4. Dede Westbrook – Oklahoma
    5. Isaiah Ford – Virginia Tech
    6. JuJu Smith-Schuster – USC
    7. Travis Rudolph – Florida St
    8. Amara Darboh – Michigan
    9. Cooper Kupp – Eastern Washington
    10. Curtis Samuel – Ohio St
    11. Malachi Dupre – LSU
    12. James Quick – Louisville
    13. Zay Jones - ECU
    14. James Washington – Oklahoma St
    15. Amba Etta-Tawo – Syracuse
    16. Austin Carr – Northwestern
    17. Fred Ross – Mississippi St
    18. Artavis Scott – Clemson
    19. Josh Reynolds – Texas A&M
    20. Quincy Adeboyejo – Mississippi
    21. Darren Carrington – Oregon
    22. Stacy Coley – Miami
    23. Greg Ward – Houston
    24. Gabe Marks – Washington St
    25. Ryan Switzer – North Carolina
    26. Jehu Chesson – Michigan
    27. Travin Dural – LSU
    28. Taywan Taylor – Western Kentucky
    29. Jamari Staples – Louisville
    30. Michael Rector – Stanford


    TE
    1. Bucky Hodges – Virginia Tech
    2. Jordan Leggett – Clemson
    3. O.J. Howard – Alabama
    4. Jake Butt – Michigan
    5. Jeremy Sprinkle – Arkansas
    6. Cole Hikutini – Louisville
    7. Durham Smythe – Notre Dame
    8. Evan Engram – Mississippi
    9. Josiah Price – Michigan St
    10. Pharaoh Brown – Oregon
    11. Blake Jarwin – Oklahoma St
    12. George Kittle – Iowa
    13. Colin Jeter – LSU
    14. Sam Cotton – Nebraska


    OT
    1. Cam Robinson – Alabama
    2. Adam Bisnowaty – Pittsburgh
    3. Taylor Moton – Western Michigan
    4. Ryan Ramczyk – Wisconsin
    5. Garett Bolles – Utah
    6. Dion Dawkins – Temple
    7. Chad Wheeler – USC
    8. Roderick Johnson – Florida St
    9. Dan Skipper – Arkansas
    10. Mike McGlinchey – Notre Dame
    11. Avery Gennesy – Texas A&M
    12. Will Holden – Vanderbilt
    13. Jon Heck – North Carolina
    14. Conor McDermott – UCLA
    15. J.J. Dielman – Utah
    16. Erik Magnuson – Michigan
    17. Clint Van Horn – Marshall


    OG
    1. Dan Feeney – Indiana
    2. Dorian Johnson – Pittsburgh
    3. Braden Smith – Auburn
    4. Tyrone Crowder – Clemson
    5. Nico Siragusa – San Diego St
    6. Forrest Lamp – Western Kentucky
    7. Chase Roullier – Wyoming
    8. Zach Banner – USC
    9. Scott Quessenberry – UCLA
    10. Kyle Kalis – Michigan
    11. Sean Harlow – Oregon St
    12. Greg Pyke – Georgia
    13. Jake Eldrenkamp – Washington
    14. Alex Kozan – Auburn
    15. Blake Belcher – Tulsa
    16. Johnny Caspers – Stanford
    17. Josh Boutte – LSU


    C
    1. Pat Elfein – Ohio St
    2. Ethan Pocic – LSU
    3. Jon Toth – Kentucky
    4. Tyler Orlosky – West Virginia
    5. Kyle Fuller – Baylor
    6. Brandon Kublanow – Georgia
    7. Cameron Tom – Southern Miss
    8. Jamaal Clayborn – Mississippi St
     
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    I see you do not have Billy Price listed. He is a junior in eligibility but on track to graduate in spring.

    IMO, he is the top rated offensive lineman in the class and the best guard prospect since Kevin Zeitler. I could see him returning but what could he gain?
     
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    bah007, in your opinion, is the OT class as bad as "they" say it is this year? If so, do you think the OT's will fall in the draft or do you think teams in need of OT's will reach (especially in the 1st round)?
     
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    This isn't just to @bah007 , but rather to everyone. I just didn't feel like making a new thread for my question.

    What do you all think about Chad Kelly? After doing some studying, I think he might have the best arm talent in the draft. He is mobile, tough, and I like his on-the-field attitude (sue me... gunslingers make for entertaining football).

    On the downside, the kid is a moron. A lot of the off-the-field concerns are the same reservations I had with Manziel, and we all know how that turned out. On the field, I wonder about the offense he is in. I saw a lot of throws to wide open targets (granted, most of the throws were on point), and I did not see a lot of Kelly having to work through his progressions.

    Anyway, long story short, I think he is a late 1st/early 2nd talent. But with the off-the-field stuff, I am thinking I wouldn't chance a pick on him before the 4th.

    Thoughts?
     
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    If Chad Kelly acted like this when he was a lighting JUCO, how do you think he'd act if someone handed him to the keys to the franchise?

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    Another Ryan mallet. Bought said.
     
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    Guess I would have to disagree rating Deshaun Watson #6 QB prospect in this upcoming draft. Take it your not a fan? What's difference between him & Dak Prescott? How could Texans possibly pass him up if sitting there #22?
     
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    Moton is looking very good right now.

    Big powerful guy.

    Looks to be very serviceable RT/RG.

    Could get him in the 3rd rd.
     
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    Watson has been a turnover machine despite being surrounded by far superior talent than what Prescott had at Miss State.
     
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    Honoring Earl 34 Teflon Rick must go

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    When doing the draft simulator I usually come out with the Pitt or Indiana guards paired with Moton , the FSU OT , or the Temple OT .
     
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    I don't think it's bad at all. I don't think there are any elite guys so that might be where the perception is coming from, especially since last year the class was so strong at the top. But I wouldn't say it's bad. There will be some solid players and there is pretty decent depth at the position in this class.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see some teams reach up for OTs if they need one in the first. But I think those picks will happen in the middle or back of the 1st instead of near the front like we usually see.
     
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    On pure arm talent I think he's the top guy in the class. But I don't think I could trust him, and that's a big deal to me. Somebody will pull the trigger. Personally, I wouldn't.
     
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    I don't think he's a first round QB at all. I wouldn't say that I'm not a fan. He's a winner. I like his mentality. I like his arm. Don't like the offense he's coming from. Relies on his athleticism too much. Don't love his accuracy. Numbers look great but he gets a ton of wide open looks. Not as accurate as I'd like on contested throws.

    Watson - 32 INTs in 33 career starts.

    Prescott - 23 INTs in 37 career starts.

    Then again, I had Prescott rated in the 3rd round and he looks pretty solid so far so what do I know..
     
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    My guess is that the Texans will be picking around 25. Do you think that one of Ramczyk/Robinson/Bolles will be available? Because if not I would rather draft a LB like Watt of Foster in Rd.1 and Wheeler/Moton in rd.3.
     
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    Need to study film of what will certainly go down in history as one of the greatest College Football game ever played! 36/56 (unblanced) 420 tough yards, only 7.5 avg. per catch 3 TD's. 0 INT's. 21 carries (majority scrambling to escape & extend plays, some designed) 43 yards & 1 TD. I don't know, like I said got to find some time to review film. He did declare himself eligible for the 2017 NFL Draft forgoing his Senior season @ Clemson.
    Bottom line nothing has changed for me, if available as you say around 25, even though I doubt 5 other QB's are taken by then, I would make him my selection not Kelly. It's about leadership, getting the job done & having respect of your teammates not just arm strength, accuracy, blah, blah, blah, blah, :violin
     
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