bah007 Updated Position Rankings - Offense

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  1. bah007

    bah007 Hall of Fame

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    I'm up to date on most of the offensive prospects in this class. There are a few guys that weren't at the combine that I want to get pro day info for, and there are a few guys that I need to watch more of before I feel totally comfortable with their grade. But here is where we are for now. If you don't see a player listed then I don't have a draftable grade on them right now.

    1. Jared Goff, California
    2. Carson Wentz, North Dakota St
    3. Connor Cook, Michigan St
    4. Paxton Lynch, Memphis
    5. Dak Prescott, Mississippi St
    6. Christian Hackenberg, Penn St
    7. Vernon Adams, Oregon
    8. Kevin Hogan, Stanford
    9. Jake Coker, Alabama
    10. Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina St
    11. Brandon Allen, Arkansas
    12. Nate Sudfeld, Indiana

    1. Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio St
    2. Alex Collins, Arkansas
    3. Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech
    4. C.J. Prosise, Notre Dame
    5. Devontae Booker, Utah
    6. Jordan Howard, Indiana
    7. Paul Perkins, UCLA
    8. Derrick Henry, Alabama
    9. Wendell Smallwood, West Virginia
    10. Keith Marshall, Georgia
    11. DeAndre Washington, Texas Tech
    12. Tyler Ervin, San Jose St
    13. Kenyan Drake, Alabama
    14. Daniel Lasco, California
    15. Josh Ferguson, Illinois
    16. Marshaun Coprich, Illinois St
    17. Jonathan Williams, Arkansas
    18. Peyton Barber, Auburn

    1. Dan Vitale, Northwestern
    2. Sione Houma, Michigan
    3. Soma Vainuku, USC
    4. Quayvon Hicks, Georgia

    1. Laquon Treadwell, Mississippi
    2. Josh Doctson, TCU
    3. Tyler Boyd, Pittsburgh
    4. Michael Thomas, Ohio St
    5. Charone Peake, Clemson
    6. Keyarris Garrett, Tulsa
    7. Tajae Sharpe, Massachusetts
    8. Braxton Miller, Ohio St
    9. Chris Moore, Cincinnati
    10. Ricardo Louis, Auburn
    11. Jordan Payton, UCLA
    12. De'Runnya Wilson, Mississippi St
    13. Geronimo Allison, Illinois
    14. Mekale McKay, Cincinnati
    15. Cayleb Jones, Arizona
    16. Cody Core, Mississippi
    17. Chris Brown, Notre Dame
    18. Marquez North, Tennessee
    19. Rashawn Scott, Miami
    20. Paul McRoberts, Southeast Missouri St

    WR S
    1. Sterling Shepard, Oklahoma
    2. Will Fuller, Notre Dame
    3. Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia
    4. Corey Coleman, Baylor
    5. Aaron Burbridge, Michigan St
    6. Trevor Davis, California
    7. Leonte Caroo, Rutgers
    8. Pharoh Cooper, South Carolina
    9. Rashard Higgins, Colorado St
    10. Roger Lewis, Bowling Green
    11. Daniel Braverman, Western Michigan
    12. Jalin Marshall, Ohio St
    13. Kolby Listenbee, TCU
    14. Bralon Addison, Oregon
    15. Byron Marshall, Oregon
    16. Johnny Holton, Cincinnati

    TE Y
    1. Hunter Henry, Arkansas
    2. Austin Hooper, Stanford
    3. Jerrell Adams, South Carolina
    4. Tyler Higbee, Western Kentucky
    5. Beau Sandland, Montana St
    6. David Morgan, UTSA
    7. Nick Vannett, Ohio St
    8. Jake McGee, Florida
    9. Ryan Malleck, Virginia Tech
    10. Bryce Williams, ECU

    TE F
    1. Devon Cajuste, Stanford
    2. Glenn Gronkowski, Kansas St
    3. Thomas Duarte, UCLA
    4. Ben Braunecker, Harvard
    5. Henry Krieger Coble, Iowa
    6. Sean Price, South Florida
    7. Stephen Anderson, California

    1. Laremy Tunsil, Mississippi
    2. Jason Spriggs, Indiana
    3. Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame
    4. Jack Conklin, Michigan St
    5. Willie Beavers, Western Michigan
    6. Jerald Hawkins, LSU
    7. Shon Coleman, Auburn
    8. Halapoulivaati Vaitai, TCU
    9. Joe Haeg, North Dakota St
    10. Taylor Decker, Ohio St
    11. Germain Ifedi, Texas A&M
    12. Kyle Murphy, Stanford
    13. Stephane Nembot, Colorado
    14. Le'Raven Clark, Texas Tech
    15. Spencer Drango, Baylor
    16. Caleb Benenoch, UCLA
    17. Brandon Shell, South Carolina
    18. Tyler Johnstone, Oregon
    19. John Theus, Georgia
    20. Alex Lewis, Nebraska
    21. Parker Ehringer, Cincinnati
    22. Tyler Marz, Wisconsin

    1. Josh Garnett, Stanford
    2. Nick Martin, Notre Dame
    3. Cody Whitehair, Kansas St
    4. Vadal Alexander, LSU
    5. Denver Kirkland, Arkansas
    6. Landon Turner, North Carolina
    7. Rees Odhiambo, Boise St
    8. Christian Westerman, Arizona St
    9. Sebastian Tretola, Arkansas
    10. Fahn Cooper, Mississippi
    11. Avery Young, Auburn
    12. Matt Skura, Duke
    13. Darrell Greene, San Diego St
    14. Connor McGovern, Missouri
    15. Dominique Robertson, West Georgia

    1. Ryan Kelly, Alabama
    2. Graham Glasgow, Michigan
    3. Isaac Seumalo, Oregon St
    4. Max Tuerk, USC
    5. Austin Blythe, Iowa
    6. Joe Thuney, North Carolina St
    7. Jack Allen, Michigan St
    8. Jake Brendel, UCLA

    Still working on the defense. There were some guys that looked great at the combine that I haven't watched enough of yet to have an opinion on and I'm trying to track them down.
  2. JB

    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    Wherever I was, I was more than likely drunk
    Thanks for the rankings. Will you edit as we get closer to the draft? Maybe a mod could sticky?
  3. bah007

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    Yes, if it is going to stick at the top then I will just make all edits in this thread instead of making new ones.

    I wouldn't expect a ton of change moving forward. Maybe after some pro days or if I get to watch more of a specific player that I hadn't seen enough of previously. But my offensive rankings are probably pretty set.
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  4. powda

    powda Team BLEACH!

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    Surprised you have Derrick Henry so low....and considering our past conversations I thought you'd have Coker higher. All in all good stuff.
  5. TexansSeminole

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    Is Stanley a good option at 22, assuming Tunsil and Spriggs are both gone? If we don't go QB with 22 and don't trade it, I would like for us to get an insurance tackle for Brown and potential Newton upgrade.
  6. Mr teX

    Mr teX Hall of Fame

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    I think I like Wentz a skosh more than Goff simply b/c he checks all the boxes from a measureables standpoint..that's really it. and as far as I'm concerned the trio of Cook, Lynch and hackenberg are all on the same level. All 3 guys have pretty glaring weaknesses and depending on who you read or talk to, they can or cannot be fixed. but other than that good list as always.
  7. bah007

    bah007 Hall of Fame

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    I'm not a big fan of Henry at the next level. He is explosive in the open field and he has great speed when he's in top gear. But he runs too high and gets taken down far too easily if he's hit before he can reach top speed. He also doesn't move well in short areas and is slow to hit the hole. I see him having big time problems creating enough burst to get through the hole and fight through contact to reach the next level of the defense. He didn't have to do that in college hardly at all because his OL was so good, and the times he did have to do it he didn't do it well at all. I value versatility in the backfield and he doesn't provide it.

    I see Coker as the benefactor of an incredible cast of talent. I was never high on him, but started to reconsider after the way he closed the season in his final three games. But his performance in the Senior Bowl and his exclusion from the combine only reaffirmed my original beliefs. I think he has the physical tools to be worth a shot late, but I think he will be a huge mental project.
  8. bah007

    bah007 Hall of Fame

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    Unfortunately, I think the top three OTs will all be off the board before #22. They all have franchise LT potential.

    If he is somehow available at #22 he would be a fantastic option and I would be very enthusiastic about getting him. I see him as a guy that can immediately upgrade RT in the short term and eventually flip to the left side when Brown can't do it anymore.
  9. WolverineFan

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    Same. Didn't like Coker at all during the regular season then got caught up with the hype during his stellar playoff run. Senior Bowl brought me back down to my original evaluation on him though. Physical tools are there but mentally he is just far behind. Definitely a project. Not a whole lot different from Cardale Jones from a physical standpoint.
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  10. bah007

    bah007 Hall of Fame

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    I understand the Wentz love and just happen to prefer Goff.

    I think Hackenberg has all the physical tools but is very unlikely to break through all the bad habits he has created in college. He would need lots of time and great coaching. Sitting behind Palmer with Arians in his ear would be best case scenario.

    Lynch is a measurable dynamo that doesn't put as much substance on the field as you would like. But he is very raw and should have a lot of room to grow. I don't see him as having any unfixable flaws but he will definitely take a lot of time to groom.

    I think Cook has a severe accuracy problem but I love everything else about him. I can't speak to the off-field stuff because I don't know. I also think his ceiling is limited. But besides the top two he is the only guy that can come in and contribute early.

  11. Shishkabob

    Shishkabob All Pro

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    do you think Prescott can be a real player in this league?
  12. badboy

    badboy Site Contributor

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    Some info to use
  13. bah007

    bah007 Hall of Fame

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    My gut says no. I only have four QBs in this class graded as guys that can eventually be starters. Prescott is the top guy in that next group. He is intelligent and he will play his ass off for you. The physical skills appear to be there. He has impressed at every level of the process. The mental stuff is and will remain a huge question mark up until even after he is drafted. It's a guess, and if you take him early it's a risky guess. But out of the risky guys, he is the one that I think has the best shot to break through.
  14. bah007

    bah007 Hall of Fame

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    Wilson hurt himself a lot but I wasn't super high on him to begin with. I'm thinking around 5th round and he is likely never more than a red zone weapon.

    I have Robinson graded as undrafted. His physical skills aren't nearly impressive enough to offset his red flags.

    The TE class this year is brutal. You're looking at two, maybe three guys that can step in and play significant snaps immediately.

    That pretty much highlights my feelings on Cook and it just illustrates how weak this QB class is after the top two. Cook is a guy that has every physical tool you could ask for plus productive experience in a pro style system. But the accuracy is a big deal to me.
  15. beerlover

    beerlover Site Contributor

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    So basically, last two drafts, if you include this one has two pretty good studs to go with if you need a QB. How is it when Texans had the top pick three drafts ago there was none?

    Pure coincidence?
    Voodoo curse :ant:
  16. bah007

    bah007 Hall of Fame

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    Defense is updated for now. I order and rank differently than most. I find it harder to put defensive players into specific positional categories because there is so much variation in defensive styles so I try to organize players by specific skill sets instead. I project these players where I see them as the best fit at the next level, which is not always the same position that they played in college.

    1. Sheldon Rankins, Louisville
    2. Vernon Butler, Louisiana Tech
    3. Andrew Billings, Baylor
    4. A'Shawn Robinson, Alabama
    5. Kenny Clark, UCLA
    6. Jarran Reed, Alabama
    7. Austin Johnson, Penn St
    8. Adolphus Washington, Ohio St
    9. D.J. Reader, Clemson
    10. Maliek Collins, Nebraska
    11. Willie Henry, Michigan
    12. Hassan Ridgeway, Texas
    13. Darius Latham, Indiana
    14. Javon Hargrave, South Carolina St
    15. Chris Mayes, Georgia
    16. Sheldon Day, Notre Dame
    17. Nile Lawrence-Stample, Florida St

    1. DeForest Buckner, Oregon
    2. Jonathan Bullard, Florida
    3. Robert Nkemdiche, Mississippi
    4. Chris Jones, Mississippi St
    5. Bronson Kaufusi, BYU
    6. Jihad Ward, Illinois
    7. Anthony Zettel, Penn St
    8. Ronald Blair, Appalachian St
    9. Matt Ioannidis, Temple
    10. Dean Lowry, Northwestern
    11. Shawn Oakman, Baylor
    12. Quinton Jefferson, Maryland
    13. Connor Wujciak, Boston College
    14. Adam Gotsis, Georgia Tech
    15. Aziz Shittu, Stanford
    16. Ufomba Kamalu, Miami
    17. Sterling Bailey, Georgia
    18. Joel Heath, Michigan St

    1. Joey Bosa, Ohio St
    2. Emmanuel Ogbah, Oklahoma St
    3. Shaq Lawson, Clemson
    4. Yannick Ngakoue, Maryland
    5. Noah Spence, Eastern Kentucky
    6. Kevin Dodd, Clemson
    7. Leonard Floyd, Georgia
    8. Kamalei Correa, Boise St
    9. Carl Nassib, Penn St
    10. Shilique Calhoun, Michigan St
    11. Charles Tapper, Oklahoma
    12. Jordan Jenkins, Georgia
    13. Matt Judon, Grand Valley St
    14. Joshua Perry, Ohio St
    15. James Cowser, Southern Utah
    16. Alex McCalister, Florida
    17. Kyler Fackrell, Utah St
    18. Drew Ott, Iowa
    19. Stephen Weatherly, Vanderbilt
    20. Ron Thompson, Syracuse
    21. D.J. Pettway, Alabama
    22. Romeo Okwara, Notre Dame
    23. Victor Ochi, Stony Brook

    1. Myles Jack, UCLA
    2. Reggie Ragland, Alabama
    3. Joe Schobert, Wisconsin
    4. B.J. Goodson, Clemson
    5. Nick Kwiatkoski, West Virginia
    6. Cassanova McKinzy, Auburn
    7. Steven Daniels, Boston College
    8. Kentrell Brothers, Missouri
    9. Scooby Wright, Arizona
    10. Steve Longa, Rutgers
    11. Josh Forrest, Kentucky

    1. Darron Lee, Ohio St
    2. Jaylon Smith, Notre Dame (this is obviously dependent on his medicals, which is something I'll never have access to)
    3. Travis Feeney, Washington
    4. Tyler Matakevich, Temple
    5. Blake Martinez, Stanford
    6. Nick Vigil, Utah St
    7. Dominique Alexander, Oklahoma
    8. Beniquez Brown, Mississippi St
    9. Terrance Smith, Florida St
    10. De'Vondre Campbell, Minnesota
    11. C.J. Johnson, Mississippi
    12. Devante Bond, Oklahoma

    1. Su'a Cravens, USC
    2. Deion Jones, LSU
    3. Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah
    4. Jayron Kearse, Clemson
    5. Jatavis Brown, Akron
    6. Montese Overton, ECU
    7. Kavon Frazier, Central Michigan
    8. Eric Striker, Oklahoma
    9. Zeek Bigger, ECU
    10. Tevin Carter, Utah

    1. Mackensie Alexander, Clemson
    2. Vernon Hargreaves, Florida
    3. William Jackson, Houston
    4. Kendall Fuller, Virginia Tech
    5. Eli Apple, Ohio St
    6. Deiondre Hall, Northern Iowa
    7. Zack Sanchez, Oklahoma
    8. Cyrus Jones, Alabama
    9. Sean Davis, Maryland
    10. Will Redmond, Mississippi St
    11. Rashard Robinson, LSU
    12. Xavien Howard, Baylor
    13. Cleveland Wallace, San Jose St
    14. D.J. White, Georgia Tech
    15. DeAndre Elliott, Colorado St
    16. Kevon Seymour, USC
    17. Jalen Mills, LSU
    18. Artie Burns, Miami
    19. Jimmy Pruitt, San Jose St
    20. Daryl Worley, West Virginia
    21. Jonathan Jones, Auburn
    22. Keivarae Russell, Notre Dame
    23. Tavon Young, Temple
    24. Anthony Brown, Purdue
    25. Ken Crawley, Colorado

    1. Jalen Ramsey, Florida St
    2. Karl Joseph, West Virginia
    3. Vonn Bell, Ohio St
    4. Jeremy Cash, Duke
    5. Justin Simmons, Boston College
    6. Keanu Neal, Florida
    7. Darian Thompson, Boise St
    8. K.J. Dillon, West Virginia
    9. Tyvis Powell, Ohio St
    10. T.J. Green, Clemson
    11. Juston Burris, North Carolina St
    12. Derrick Kindred, TCU
    13. James Bradberry, Samford
    14. Eric Murray, Minnesota
    15. DeAndre Houston-Carson, William & Mary
    16. Leshaun Sims, Southern Utah
    17. Jordan Lucas, Penn St
  17. bah007

    bah007 Hall of Fame

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    I'm still waiting on pro days for a few guys so I might be making occasional edits through the end of the month. But things shouldn't change too much from here unless something drastic happens with a certain guy or I'm somehow able to find video that I haven't previously seen and it changes my mind. Obviously, I don't have access to certain materials and it's not like I've seen every game these guys have ever played. But I've watched as much as I could find on most of these guys and researched them on my own as well.
  18. WolverineFan

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    You seem pretty down on Sheldon Day.
  19. TexansSeminole

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    Alexander in front of Hargreaves, that's a unique take. Is it based on play, size, or both?
  20. bah007

    bah007 Hall of Fame

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    I think he definitely has talent. He's a high effort guy and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him become successful.

    I just prefer a more diverse skill set. He's limited in what he'll be able to do. I think he's a guy that will have to play in the middle and I'm worried he may get pushed around. I like his quickness but I don't think he'll be able to penetrate against NFL linemen the way he did in college this year.

    I think he could carve out a nice career as a sub-package interior rusher. I would just prefer he were more well-rounded.

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