Babin's transition to DE going well

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  1. Texans34Life

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    Megan Manfull, writing for the Sporting News, reports Houston Texans DE Jason Babin continues to impress the coaching staff as he makes his transition from linebacker to defensive end. Babin has spent the majority of the past few weeks with the first team, leaving DE Antwan Peek to work with the second team. Babin lacks height, but the coaches expect him to use his quickness to his advantage.
     
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    Uh oh, Babin might actually turn into something special. Good for him. I hope he turns into one of those DEs to fear throughout the league. Simply because I want the best out of every player, and he gets so much grief around here.
     
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    Great to read, ever since I found out we were switching to the 4-3 I have been saying that IMO Babin would make the better overall DE than Peek. Now where does that leave Weaver? Weaver, Payne, TJ, and Robaire at DT and Babin, Williams, Peek and Weaver at DE? With the guys we have able to line up in the front 4 I see a LOT of different ways to line the guys up. Nothing wrong with versatility though.
     
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    Then we'll have TWO DE's for the league to fear...QB's better watch out :crutch:
     
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    Here is the link to the Sporting News article: Texans Team Report

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    Lots of other good stuff in the article though it is hard to tell how much of it is based on actual knowledge (talking to coaches) versus talking out of the behind (making stuff up based on generalities).
     
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    Last I heard Babin was upto 271...
     
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    Wow. That is good news. I was concerned about him since he was drafted as a tweener. It'll be great if he can transition back to end.

    By the way - where's the article?
     
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    This brings something to mind I had forgotten about. I always wondered why teams didn't take more advantage of Indy's Freeney and the way he always charges up field at high speed (like Peek's main tendency). It turns out that their defense really stepped up once the linebackers covered his rushes upfield an didn't allow teams to take advantage of going behind Freeney in the area he vacated in his rather predictable speed rush.

    As much as we see improvement in individual players, I hope our schemes improve as well - play to our strengths and cover our weaknesses.
     


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    Full Name: Robert Nathan Mathis
    Born: February 26, 1981
    Atlanta, GA
    Height: 6-2
    Weight: 235 lbs.

    Full Name: John Abraham
    Born: May 6, 1978
    Timmonsville, SC
    Height: 6-4
    Weight: 258 lbs.

    Full Name: Muhammed-Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
    Born: September 24, 1977
    Los Angeles, CA
    Height: 6-4
    Weight: 250 lbs.

    Full Name: Adewale Ogunleye
    Born: August 9, 1977
    Brooklyn, NY
    Height: 6-4
    Weight: 260 lbs.

    Full Name: Terrell Raynonn Suggs
    Born: October 11, 1982
    Minneapolis, MN
    Height: 6-3
    Weight: 260 lbs.

    Full Name: Jason Paul Taylor
    Born: September 1, 1974
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Height: 6-6
    Weight: 255 lbs.

    Those are all at or under Babin's weight. And not even Freeney (268) hits this magical 270 you speak of. As a matter of fact the only dominant DE in the league over 270 is Peppers, and he is 6'7", a lot that weight is attributed directly to how tall he is, not how muscular. I wouldn't be going out on a limb here to say the key is to specifically not be above 270. Anyways 259 to 270 is the difference of 11 pounds, in other words, at that weight, about 3% more body mass....not exactly earth shattering. And the whole weight equals power idea is flat out wrong. Its all relative to height and him being only 6'2"....well he isn't going to get much above 260 without becoming ridiculous looking. At only 6'2" he is on the rather large side you could say. I guess the best example is basketball players....you think Tracy Mcgrady is as strong as Mathis? They both weigh around the same, the only difference being about 6 inches in height. Strength in power doesn't just lie in weight alone....it lies in the ratio of height to weight.
     
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    On the Texans roster Babin is listed as 6'2", 259 lbs, and Peek is listed as 6'3", 250 lbs. I don't understand why a lot of people keep saying Babin is too small and yet say nothing of Peek's size. One inch taller and 9 lbs lighter doesn't exactly fit your dominant (>270) mold. And yes, I do realize these are weights from last year and both have gained some pounds.

    As far as the spin moves and quickness to beat linemen, isn't that what Peek uses all or most of the time? Are you saying that Peek is more powerful at a lighter weight that Babin?

    Don't mean to :stirpot: , just wondering.
     
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    The weights listed on the roster are old. Babs is in the 270 range now and Peek to me almost looks like a defensive lineman...
     
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    If Babin gets too heavy, he will lose quickness. Not a good argument imo. I'm very happy to see that the transition is going well. Maybe we will have a payoff after all. :whip:
     
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    The guy I'm pulling most of all for on the team is Bennie J because of all he's gone thru with his 3 consecutive years of season-ending injury's, and as
    a second round pick we've got a big investment in him.
    But next in line are Babin, TJ, and P-Burnt. We traded 2 first day picks for
    P-Burnt and the other 2 guys are of course direct first round picks, also by the Casserly-Capers regime.
    To not have our young, high-round picks develope successfully and make a contribution to the team is a very negative thing and about the most discouraging development for the long-term prospects of the team.
    Word is P-Burnt is working hard, so there's still hope that he can help us.
     
  14. SnakeOilTanker

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    Who ever asked about Weaver..

    On the radio yesterday they said they've been playing the d-line like this

    DE-Babin
    DT-Weaver
    DT-Payne
    DE-Super Mario :fireball:

    Not sure about sides or anything like that..but those are those 4 getting the first team reps
     
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    Look the Texans made the trade for Babin, because if they would not, he would have been selected by another team. Babin was good in college and he has the tools to excel in the NFL and he possesed the potential to dominate as a linebacker in the 3-4 defense. (Things didn't work out in the 3-4 system the Texans had, we all know that, but the potential he had is still there, those physical skills and abilities are still there; he isn't old enough yet to start losing his athletic talent).

    Now, I read what ya'll have written about him taking a more prominent position with the First TEAM, and it tells me that he is utilizing his talent to get him the extra reps and current standing with the team. THAT'S GOOD!!!!

    If Babin can develop and with :fireball: breathing fire into the opposing team :bowser: (Quarterback), then our ends appear to be TALENTED!! And a good recipe is brewing for sack power :stirpot: . And that article on the Defensive Line coach was real interesting!!

    Sacks by our DL have been rare in the Texans history!!! Now it's time to sack that history, and get ready for a future full of sacks on opposing team quarterbacks!!! David Carr on his back was no fun to watch.

    GO BABIN, SOLIDIFY YOU SIDE!!!


    And Peek, don't you dare slack off, fight and get better than Babin!!!! Challenge Babin!!! Because as it seems, Babin is a legit starter.
     
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    I'm on record long term not being a big fan of Peeks game as he is a huge liability against the run and doesn't seem to protect the edge well at all. I think just saying Babin 'has to be' at this weight or that to be any good at end is silly. May the best man win.
     
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    I will still doubt the the guy till he proves me wrong...I like Peek better
     
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    Agreed...its not boxing, and you dont have to step on the scale before you step onto the field. He can be 150 pounds in my book, if he is the best then he is the best.
     
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    Excellent point. I don't see anything in this coaching staff that says they won't do exactly that.
     

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