Are we ruining another QB?

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  1. Texanmike02

    Texanmike02 Site Contributor

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    I've been as level headed as I can. But one thing bugs me. I watch Schaub and his performance is getting worse. I know he's throwing off his back foot. That much is obvious. I just have to wonder though, with the line that we're trotting out there.... are we damaging him too? Its not a stretch to assume that HWWDNSO might have been ruined by a combination of factors. Coaching and the OL had a lot to do with it.

    I think our coaching is better, but our OL is still bad. I am hoping White makes a difference. But look at Schaub's numbers.

    His passer rating is dropping like a rock. His completion % is WAY down. His yards/Attempt is somewhat stable. but he hasn't thrown a TD in 5 weeks, granted he missed significant time in two of those. But its his play that I'm worried about more than the numbers. His accuracy is getting worse, and I don't mean just the completion%. I mean where he's placing the ball when he's passing. I have no doubt that a QB can take a bad season, but we need this line fixed this off season in the worst way.

    I keep bouncing back and forth. I think we need a SS/FS like no other need, but at the same time we better have a running game and an OL upgrade next year or we may see our Lexus turn into a Yugo overnight. I still think its fixable... but man... its more urgent the more I think about it.

    Mike
     
  2. TexansSeminole

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    I would like to say that it is his injuries. Obviously, injuries can affect your play both in a pyschological way and a physical way, I think that is what is happened. Also, of course, losing AJ.

    Regarding players that we need: I think we need a FS more than anything. Teams around our division, and the league for that matter, have been grabbing these safeties who can play man coverage like a CB but we don't seem to take the hint. You would think we would atleast build to beat our division champs. It's such an important position now a days, and both of our safeties don't play like an NFL safety should. The least we could do would be to get a FS who can cover AND play the run.

    Shoot, the Redskins went as far as to draft two of them in the last few years.
     
  3. Corrosion

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    The biggest problem this team has is its O-line imo . Its been that way since day the first season and hasnt really gotten better .... poor choices in FA havent helped . This years line can pass block better than in years past (prior to McKinney's injury anyhow) but they fail so miserably at run blocking that the improvement in pass blocking is nulified .

    Until they address the line with a scheme (this Kubiak / Sherman hybrid crap aint working) and players who are competent they wont win .

    I'd prefer they find some big mean nasty O-linemen who can just blow people off the ball and leave it up to the RB to make the next guy miss or break a tackle .... and forget about these more athletic linemen who get pushed back on seemingly every run play ...... Dominate the line Dominate the game , simple as that .
     
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  4. kiwitexansfan

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    I have been banging the DB upgrade drum as loud as anyone around here for a few seasons, but I am starting to think that we need to fix the OLine more than we need to upgrade at DB.

    We've invested a lot of time, money and draft picks into QB's and skill players on offense only to see them ruined by bad line play and inconsistent/bad coaching/schemes on the line. To recoup that investment we need to get the line solidified asap.

    If I was told that we are going to go OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL in this years draft, I could live with that.
     
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  5. nunusguy

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    Even if he recovers from the physical variety, the psychological may be with him much longer.
    But the injury yestesday, I dunno I guess a concussion ? I don't think that's been officailly reported as a concussion, but I don't think Carr ever had a concussion ? That's kinda ominous.
     
  6. ATXtexanfan

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    new qb and rb, same o-line and the same problems. sam baker USC would look good in a texan uni. we need to spend picks on this o-line because free agency is costly when it comes to the 0-line. use the cash on other areas
     
  7. Texanmike02

    Texanmike02 Site Contributor

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    I tend to agree. Draft a CB/S definately , but RB,OLB etc can be addressed in FA. Whatever you do you HAVE to address the OL in the draft. Although I just checked and there will be some very solid OL in free agency it looks like. Alot of Indy and Pitt linemen will most likely not be signed.
     
  8. TexansSeminole

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    I would go with some variation of this:
    1st round: S
    3rd round: OL
    4th round: RB
    5th round: LB
    6th round: CB
    7th round: OL

    You could even move these around all you want and I would be happy. Drafting at needs late may not fill the starting role, but atleast we can get some new guys in those position groups.

    edit: The problem is we have serious needs in the offensive line and the secondary. It's hard to fix these things with the draft alone. We will have to be very active in the off-season to have a chance at being a good team next year.
     


  9. eriadoc

    eriadoc Texan-American

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    If eight games of this O-Line is enough to ruin Matt Schaub, then I think we all need to salute YKW. It's too early for this to affect Schaub, but it's not too early for the fans to realize that it's about to be SIX years running of poor offensive line play. The offensive line affects every aspect of a team, and it's been the most neglected unit for five drafts now. Give Matt Schaub three years behind this line, and I dare say he'd develop happy feet, dump-off tendencies, and a rushed feel to everything. And this line isn't even as bad as the 2002 and 2005 versions of Texans.

    Chester Pitts and Eric Winston have been our best two drafted linemen. Draft OL already. I don't want to see reruns.
     
  10. Texanmike02

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    I didn't mean to suggest that he was ruined already. Just that we're not protecting him and that could have a long term effect on his psyche. At the risk of turning this into another YKW thread (I really don't want that), I don't know if you salute him, but I definitely think that you have to aknowledge the possibility that 4 years of awful coaching combined with 5 years of horrendous line play might have ruined his career before it began.

    Mike
     
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    I screamed my head off (well at least vigorously proposed it in print) for 3-4 years before this and was pretty much poo-pooed that the O-line wasn't really that bad. Spencer has been as big of a hit in the nads to us as Mr. Boz was. We are lucky that Winston seems to be working out at RT.
     
  12. Carr Bombed

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    I'll just post a link to a post I made last week, when I lost it after the Titans game

    http://texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=765682#post765682

    So to answer your question......yes.
     
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    What is HWWDNSO?
     
  14. Texanmike02

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    Our former QB. A long time ago, (don't remember if it was before the boards merged but I think it was just after) we took a vow not to mention his name for a month. Then something came up and I had to reference him so I called him He Who we do not speak of in an obvious rip off of The Village.

    Mike
     
  15. GrandeDavid

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    I agree with you. I'm also a fan of the Cincinnati Bengals, and the reason the 1990's is termed "The Lost Decade" by the Cincinnati media and fans is because they had no offensive line. Now I don't think the Texans will exactly do to Matt Schaub what the Bungles did to David Klingler, but he really has been taking some poundings lately, and Schaub's soft teammates have yet to retaliate and stand up for him like pro's should.

    The Texans, at this point, as disgustingly incompetent as they've looked so often the past few games, would not surprise me if they finished like 5-11. Until the line improves, you're just going to see seasons like that. Soon a decade will pass and the Bengals of the 1990s will have a companion franchise. That is terrifying. So having said that, I don't think Schaub is ruined, at least not yet, but he'll never have a chance to succeed consistently with this line and with these putrid ball carriers they call "running backs". And of all the rotten damn luck, Andre Johnson gets lost for so many games...its just freaking rotten how this franchise has been so mismanaged, cursed, snakebitten, horribly coached, the list never ends.
     
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    Ohh, OK..
     
  17. GrandeDavid

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    Good question!
     
  18. Thorn

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    I'll second that emotion.
     
  19. maddogmrb

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    Yes, we are ruining this QB. Seems like I remember just how much better our oline was going to be with this new QB and that MOST ALL the oline probs were due to the old QB. Well, obviously that isn't the case. I think the best thing to do with Matt is sit him for the Oakland game and then the bye and then sit him for the next game after the bye and let him get his senses back. We are ALREADY dangerously close to Carrerrizing him and I think he has too much potential for that to happen to a 2nd Texan QB.

    I would like next year's draft to look like this:
    1st round: OL
    3rd round: OLB
    4th round: OLB
    5th round: BPA
    6th round: BPA
    7th round: BPA

    We traded a #1 for Boulware, so maybe with new coaching in the offseason we can actually make a safety out of him.

    We need to sign 2 IMPACT (not reject) FA's ... preferably an olineman and an OLB. Add a good FA DL and DB to the mix and we have shored up most of our weak spots in one year. After all .... this is THE YEAR we are to make a big hit in the FA market, right?

    I believe RB will straighten itself out between Ahman, Echodude, and Chris Taylor. Please send the Dayne train packing!

    And then we need to shake up the coaching staff. Both coordinators need to go and maybe a couple of assistants, too. If the scheming and techniques on both sides of the ball don't improve in 2008 well, bye bye Kubes.
     
  20. The1ApplePie

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    Schaub just may be too soft, simple as that. Wasn't that a knock on him comming out of college?

    They aren't going to draft an O-lineman in the 1st. McNair won't allow it.

    O-Linemen don't get a team primetime TV spots and tons of merch sold, and after the PR disaster (and football disaster) of the 2006 draft, McNair ain't gonna take another lineman.
     

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