Are the Texans that far off?

Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by Darporini, Feb 10, 2006.

  1. Darporini

    Darporini Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    7
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Spring, TX
    Hello everyone. I'm new here. I just wanted to make an observation about our beloved Texans.

    Looking back over the results and statistics of the season, this team lost six games by seven points or less. It seems to me, with one or two plays per game going the other way, the Texans could have finished the season at 8-8, instead of 2-14.

    I guess my point in all of this is, despite the poor coaching job, injuries and overall poor play, there is definately enough talent on this team to be very competitive.

    I strongly believe the Texans can turn it around next year given the new coaching staff, a smart and competent draft, and the switch to the 4-3.
     
  2. TexanSam

    TexanSam Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2005
    Messages:
    17,071
    Likes Received:
    713
    I don't think we were good enough for 8-8 this year. We could have finished 5-11 or 6-10 though. I could see us going 7-9 or 8-8 next year though. I think Carr will improve tremendously in his first year under Kubiak and Domanick Davis and Reggie Bush will be a two headed monster in the backfield. If we can give Carr some decent protection and get a quality TE and/or a 2nd WR, we might e even finish in the top half in offense. That still leaves the defense, but we can't get any worse than 32nd can we?
     
  3. Wordem

    Wordem Veteran

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2006
    Messages:
    185
    Likes Received:
    2
    Yes. They won two games. They aren't doing squat for at least two years.
     
  4. run-david-run

    run-david-run Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2005
    Messages:
    3,370
    Likes Received:
    61
    Location:
    The University of Texas
    I was thinking the same thing. I went through all of the games we could have won last season, and I was geniuenly surprised by how much better we could have been. However, we did get blown out A LOT. We have to be able to keep games like Seattle, KC, Pitt, Indy in the second half and Jags in the second half much closer. If we can find a way to win the close ones, something that has plagued this team for a long time, we shouldnt be drafting anywhere near number 1 anytime soon.
     
  5. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2004
    Messages:
    21,847
    Likes Received:
    1,513
    Worst offense in football....worst defense in football. Hmmm, we only have 31 teams to climb.
     
  6. CaptainPatriot

    CaptainPatriot Veteran

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2004
    Messages:
    307
    Likes Received:
    1
    Put it this way . It can't get any worse. No way to go but up :redtowel:
     
  7. Texas_Heat

    Texas_Heat Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2004
    Messages:
    377
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    IN TEXAN HELL
    I think they will start to get it right and this team will be 8-8 next season :goodbad: but that's the same thing I said last year so most Likely the new coaching staff will be :stooges: and they will finish 2-14 again.:eek:
     
  8. TexanBacker93

    TexanBacker93 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2004
    Messages:
    1,763
    Likes Received:
    108
    Location:
    Cypress, TX
    That's always been Capers thing. Keep games close until the 2nd half and then hope for the best. It was tremendous in years one and two when they took teams to the final play (Colts and Titans), took the Super Bowl Champs to OT (Pats), beat the NFC's Super Bowl representative (Panthers), and won an ugly game on the road against this year's Super Bowl champ (Steelers). The problem with the hold it close until half card is if you get down big quickly it deflates the team and leads to a bad loss. Anyone remember the Bengals game in year 1? I know people can't forget the Browns game in year 3.

    The Texans were caught up in a hard first 8 games. They played both Super Bowl participants and got beat handily in both. It could have been more competitive, but most teams lost to the Steelers and Seahawks this season so that's no crime. Losing on the road to the vastly improved Bengals wasn't hard to believe, but they did have a chance to win it. The Jags on the road was another that was lost in the 4th quarter. Jags and Texans could go either way no matter how good or bad one of the teams is doing. They had the Colts tied at half, but couldn't do anything with it in the second half. It's that hope for the best philosophy that didn't work. The loss to the Titans was tough, especially after sweeping them last season. Still, they are a rival and were ready for the game. The only fully inexcusable loss to me was to the Bills who aren't very good. A couple of bounces different in the Jags and Bengals game and they are looking at 3-5 at the halfway mark instead of 1-7. Their last 5 losses were games that winning teams pull out. The Chiefs and Colts were far and away better and even good teams lose to them. The Texans are up on the Jags at half, and lose. They are up on the Titans, Ravens, and Rams in the 4th quarter and lose. They are up against the 49ers early and then have a chance at the end and lose. These are the games that make a team 2-14. I'm convinced that if Kubiak coached last year against the same teams in the same situations the team finishes 9-7. Not in a playoff position, but 2 games better than the previous year. I don't think you can play the time of possession game against NFL offenses. How many times did we hear Capers mention that they won the T.O.P game and couldn't see why they didn't win the game? It's about putting points on the board and keeping your boot on the other team's throat so they can't come back and beat you.

    The Texans season reminded me of the Chargers season in 2003. They came off an 8-8 season in 2002. They got rid of Seau and Harrison for younger, cheaper players. They went out that next year with improved expectations and stunk it up. They went 4-12 and ended up with the first pick in the draft. They used that leverage to get a QB, and this year's #1 from the Giants got them Shawn Merriman. The only mistake was getting a QB when it turned out they didn't need one. They went out in 2005 and went 12-4 and won the AFC West.

    In summation, this team isn't far from being in the mix. Considering the line play was awful, the defense struggled mightily at times, AJ took turns being Bradford with his catching ability, DD was hurt (again), the team didn't turn the ball over until the Seahawk game, and they got rid of their defensive leaders. I don't think the Texans go 12-4, but I don't think 8-8 is out of the question.
     
    thunderkyss likes this.
  9. Kaiser Toro

    Kaiser Toro Native Mod

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    16,177
    Likes Received:
    1,149
    Location:
    Straight Outta Austin
    I think we have some very good role players and no playmakers to be honest. I have never felt whether it was on defense or offense and we needed to make a play I knew I could count on one individual to make the play or be in the mix. Just a feel thing and not possible to quantify.

    I feel we are a play maker away on the Oline and two playmakers away on defense to get there. We have some nice talented parts, but no one that can even come close to changing a half or dominating there counterpart on the other side of the ball.

    This offseason is important, we need to take advantage of the Kubiak intoxication, while it lasts, in FA.
     
  10. Bobo

    Bobo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2005
    Messages:
    1,375
    Likes Received:
    21
    And with one play in both the Cleveland and Arizona games, you'd be looking at an 0-16 team.
     
  11. Bobo

    Bobo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2005
    Messages:
    1,375
    Likes Received:
    21
    Kubiak as HC is exactly why we WON'T make it to the wildcard -- or anywhere close.
     
  12. Big B Texan Fan

    Big B Texan Fan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2005
    Messages:
    1,098
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Spring TX
    It'd be interesting to know how many of those "close games" we had were where we pulled to within a 6-8 points but they were garbage points at the end of games where the other team has in their back-ups? I'd say 2-3 of them if my memory serves me correctly.
     
  13. Wharton

    Wharton Site Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2005
    Messages:
    817
    Likes Received:
    36
    Yep, we are that far off. As Bill Parcells always says, "you are your record". We are 2-14. The worst team in the NFL and nothing has changed that fact.

    I like the move for Kubiak, I don't like the Carr extension. Unless we get some more talent, we are looking at a sub .500 team again.
     
  14. Big78

    Big78 Veteran

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    146
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Dripping Springs, TX (near Austin)
    you mean like the 49ers, rams, cardinals, lions, bills, dolphins, titans, and BROWNS? if we and up behind most of these teams again i will be shocked and DEEPLY disturbed. Theres a wild card spot in '06 with the name "Texans" branded on it. :fans:
     
  15. Big B Texan Fan

    Big B Texan Fan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2005
    Messages:
    1,098
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Spring TX
    :pigfly:
     
  16. stevo3883

    stevo3883 All Pro

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2005
    Messages:
    733
    Likes Received:
    9
    Location:
    h-town
    Is the sun REALLY that far away?
     
  17. Big B Texan Fan

    Big B Texan Fan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2005
    Messages:
    1,098
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Spring TX
    Casserly, McNair, and Kubes will say no.
     
  18. mexican_texan

    mexican_texan Furry Tractors

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    14,192
    Likes Received:
    515
    Location:
    Spring, TX
    I'll tell you right now, the main thing the Texans FO have to work on is lines. The better the lines played, the better the team played. At times, the D-line looked elite. Other times, they looked atrocious. The o-line, on the other hand, was usually horrible and average at their best. I was thinking that I have not seen an offense fail when they have a good O-line. I have not seen a QB play badly behind a suitable O-line.
     
  19. tulexan

    tulexan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2004
    Messages:
    5,080
    Likes Received:
    106

    Just off the top of my head

    Rams-gave up 10 points in 32 seconds
    Ravens-gave up game winning drive in last minute
    Titans-gave up game winning drive in last minute, missed 30 yard game tying field goal
    Niners-missed game winning field goal at the end of the game, threw game ending interception in overtime
    Jags-bradford dropped game tying touchdown on fourth down at the end of the game
    Bengals-"the fumble"
     
  20. TexanBacker93

    TexanBacker93 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2004
    Messages:
    1,763
    Likes Received:
    108
    Location:
    Cypress, TX

    The Bengals was pretty close most of the game. It was ugly, but they were tied going into the 4th quarter.

    The Texans led the Jaguars 14-7 in the early 4th and allowed Jacksonville to score 14 in the final quarter to their 0. As stated before, Bradford did drop the ball at the end. It would have been a 1st down, though. Still, it would have been at the 4 and they still had time to score.

    The St. Louis game will never be forgotten. Texans led 24-3 at half, 24-10 at the start of the 4th. and 27-17 with under a minute to go.

    The Ravens and the Texans traded scores most of the game. The Ravens led going into the 4th, but the Texans took the lead with just over a minute left. They then let Kyle Boller take them down the field for the game winner.

    The Texans led the Titans 10-3 at half. They were tied going into the 4th. Kris Brown "missed" a chip shot to send the game to OT.

    The Texans led the Jags at half and then took the lead again at the beginning of the 4th quarter. Vic Fangio's defense then let the Jags score 21 unanswered to end the game. The last TD was definitely a "garbage" score.

    The Texans led the 49ers 10-0 through 1. They led were tied at 17 through 3. Missed the FG at the end of regulation. They lost the game in OT.


    That's a quick recap of the 7 games that the Texans should have won. None of them had the Texans getting cheap points. Earlier I didn't count that second Jags game, but it was within reach. Still, as someone pointed out earlier, you are only as good as your record. The Texans lost 7 games because they couldn't close it out in the 4th quarter. That's coaching. That's coming out with a hesitant 2nd half playbook. No matter how poorly they played to start the season, if the Texans ended with 9 wins, which was possible, nobody would be calling this team the joke of the league.

    Carr is the focal point of many people's disgust. Take out that Buffalo game and he had a passer rating of 84, I believe. He threw 14 TDs to 8 Ints. Not enough TDs, but that's play calling, drops, lack of blocking, and him not finding a receiver. 8 Ints is a very good number. With a playmaker on the defensive side of the ball to partner with Dunta, and a line upgrade, this team is closer to being 10-6 than 0-16. I still say 8-8 will be where they fall this season.
     
    Runner likes this.

Share This Page