Anyone think this a little too harsh?

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  1. thetexanator

    thetexanator All Pro

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    Young. He has a long way to go to be an NFL quarterback. He has magical skills, but he's never taken snaps from center.

    http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/OFF/

    From cbs.

    Wasnt the knock on McNair coming out of college that he was from a DIV 3 school and only played out of the shotgun?
     
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    saying that u shouldnt draft a QB jus because hes never played undercenter is a really stupid thing to do. I mean if the guy has excelled at one area than hell most likely excel at the other because hes an athlete and hes got that magic "it" that jus makes him be so good at what he does. And if worse comes to worse and the guy cant work out of that formation u say "F*$3 it!" and jus do 75% of ur plays shotgun, i mean u already know he kicks *** there
     
  3. texplayer2

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    That was in College, the pro ranks aren't filled with students and a few monsters on D. Offense's at the College level have a much better chance of success than at the pro level. Ex....74-10 blowouts.
     
  4. whiskeyrbl

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    McNair sat for 2 years before he took over ala VY 2-3 years on bench to learn an NFL system.
     
  5. Big B Texan Fan

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    When it's all said and done, VY will make McNair look like a practice squad QB.
     
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    I predict that Young will become the first QB ever to catch most of his own hail marry passes. :)
     
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    No real scout will tell you that they don't think Young can take snaps from under center, all they can say is that he didn't do it much in college...
     
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    playing under center means nothing. he actually took a lot of snaps under center his sophomore year. it's how he understands the offense that matters, and he didn't then, so i doubt he will anytime soon. he had success in a spread zone-read offense, and obviously, you won't find anything like that in the NFL. throw in his average arm, his poor mechanics and terrible footwork, and no, the CBS article isn't harsh, it's right on the money. he should be a WR.
     


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    Exactly. What's with these callers on 610am that say "After Vince wins 2 or 3 Super Bowls and is in Canton, we will know the Texans made the wrong decision." Tom Brady has won 3 super bowls and there are plenty who argue that he may not be a first ballot hall of famer. You can't KNOW that someone will win multiple super bowls and be in the hall of fame. Sorry, know I am rambling. I will get down now...


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  10. TreWardTxn

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    Scouts have said his arm is just as accurate, and stronger than Leinart's, his footwork is the strongest part of his throwing mechanics, and every college QB has to learn reads in an NFL offense against an NFL defense. Even Carr, our 5 year "veteran" is going to be learning a system from virtual scratch...
     
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    LMAO. are you kidding me? NO SCOUT has ever said that, NO ONE. if they have, they have NO clue what they're talking about. show me proof of this.
     
  12. Lucky

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    Actually, Young has taken snaps from center. The Horns didn't switch to the spread offense until '04.

    McNair did play in a shotgun offense at Alcorn. So did Alex Smith, last year's #1 pick. Ben Roethlisberger operated out of the shotgun for much of his collegiate career. As did Byron Leftwich. I could go on.

    The difference that Savage and others are pointing to is that these QBs for the most part stayed back and looked for their secondary receivers. Young often took off after his primary receiver was covered. And why not? The results at that level speak for themselves. However, the critics will say that Vince won't last if he runs 10-12 times a game in the NFL as he did in college.

    That Culpepper, McNabb, and Vick's rushing totals have dropped over the years is evidence that the running QB won't be able to run forever. If that holds true for Young, then he has to be evaluated by what he does with his arm. Who would you rather see passing the ball for your NFL team? Leinart, Cutler, or Young? That's the question teams have to be asking themselves.
     
  13. BREAZE

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    There are many certainties in the world. Death, taxes, Bush breaking long gains for the Texans, and VY getting a Super bowl ring fitted for his middle finger...
     
  14. TreWardTxn

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    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9329030

    http://football.about.com/od/nationalfootballleague/p/vinceyoung.htm

    http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9358699/2

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/03/23/don/index.html

    There are numerous more scouts I can't reference because I heard them on talk radio or TV and can't find their quotes in print, but you get the point. A guy can't have a good showing throwing a football if his footwork is trashy, that's where it all starts. The fact he did a good job let's you know his footwork is proficient. But who cares? QBs don't get to stand still as long as they want in the pocket, at some point they have to be able to roll out or scramble, and no one can argue with Young's ability to throw on the run...
     
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    What did the scouts say about Joe Montana? Show me a group of scouts that are always right and I'll make :pigfly: ...
     
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    *sigh*

    only the about.com link said he has good footwork. which is hysterical as they say leinart's footwork isn't good yet vince's is. THAT'S a big joke. leinart has better feet than several NFL quarterbacks, i have NO clue what this guy is talking about.

    the others didn't mention it at all. not sure why you would use those as examples.

    that being said, watch the NFL draft special on ESPN. merril hoge went into detail on young's feet. his front leg is set wrong when he throws, and that's mostly due to just standing there behind texas's great line all day from the shotgun. throwing on a run isn't a problem.
     
  17. jgite

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    And Merril Hodge said that VY and Leinart are barely first round talents. Mel Kiper was about to flip his wig.
     
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    If you have watched Hodge over the years you know he bags on QB's at the top of the draft every year.
     
  19. Porky

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    Actually, according to PFW draft circle insider, several teams have each as a 2nd rounder, but the consensus if you throw in all 32 teams, is that they are both top 10 talents. I actually think Young is going to be a much better pro than Lienart, but will need much more time. Lienart is what he is, but he can probably start as a rook.
     
  20. dwilt72

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    Merril Hoge smokes crack. There is no way he can actually believe the crap he says!

    As far as taking snaps from center, I've heard VY say that the UT offense is an off-shoot of Indy's offense. And where does Peyton take most of his snaps? Could it be the shotgun?
     

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