Antonio Smith

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  1. 76Texan

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    Early prognosis on Antonio Smith is not too good.

    Week 2 vs. Dolphins.
    Nothing statistically.
    Next to nothing on the playing field as well.

    The Cards was mostly in the 3-4, in which A.S. usually lines up in the A gap.
    He was pretty much neutralized by the RG Smiley (?).

    There were a couple of twist plays when he was able to work back to the outside and get close to Pennington.
    But those were plays that took longer to develop, think 5 secs or more.
    And there were other D-player(s) there before him to force the QB to get rid of the ball.
    I only give him credit because he did show up in the radar.

    The Cards didn't run hardly toward him anyhow.
    But he wasn't all that fast in pursuit.

    He did not get any penetration and was hardly ever able to push the pocket back.

    In contrast, Weaver had a much better game against the Dolphins, both on paper and on the field.

    The contingent of D-linemen that took turn on Smiley (or the A gap) had much better success.
    There were times that Justin Smiley was able to clear room for the RBs, but he lost quite a few more battles than he won.

    Whether in penetration, pursuing the ball, pushing back the pocket, working against the double team, shredding off the blocker to makle a tackle on the RB...
    Zgonina, Weaver, Okoye, TJ, Cochran, one of them would.
    Bulman was able to get into the act on a couple of stunts as well.

    What have you done here, Rick Smith???

    Of course, this is only one game, and an early game at that.
    And obviously A.S. had better numbers as the season moved along.
    We'll see what kind of progress he made.
     
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  2. alphajoker

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    Uh...what?
     
  3. m5kwatts

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    How about flip on tape of the wild card, divisional, conference and super bowl games and you'll see #94 in red wreaking havoc on those playoff O-lines.
     
  4. m5kwatts

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    76Texan what tape are you watching? Just went through all of Antonio Smith's career game logs and he's never faced Miami before.
     
  5. Ole Miss Texan

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    76Texan does an excellent job of watching tape of teams/prospects and conveying what he sees to the message board.
    Sometimes watching tapes of when a player is unsuccessful says just as much as when he is successful. It's good to get an all around feel for a player. Sounds like this game against Miami, he mostly played in a 3-4 scheme. If he consistently performs better in a 4-3 scheme... this would be a good thing as that's what we run.
    Miami played at Arizona on September 14, 2008. Arizona won 31-10. Smith started but did not officially record any stats.
     
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    I agree. He might have a problem showing up, or maybe it's difficult to find a reason to play in Arizona. I mean week 2, who knew.

    But his play as the year went on, especially the play-offs, shows that he's got the talent to succeed, and make a difference in this league, at a high level.

    Getting him to do it every Sunday, that's what coaches are for.
     
  7. 76Texan

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    Thanks T.O.M. - hey I got an acronym for ya' Texan Ole Miss! :)

    As I said, it was only one game.
    And for the record, Smith played about 3/4 of the snaps.
    Weaver played may be 3/5 ???

    I'll will try the Jets and Favre in week 4 next (hopefully tonight).
     
  8. 76Texan

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    Preview: Favre 56 - Smith 35
    Must be a fun game to watch.
    A.S. recorded 4 solos.
     


  9. wags

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    Not to poop on the signing of Smith, but the last two playoff games(NFC title and Super bowl) he had 3 tackles and no sacks. Don't remember his play specifically, but that doesn't seem like the big time performance that's being pimped by some. Darnell Dockett wreaked havoc.
     
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    Dont worry I thought the same thing at first.
     
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    So maybe we can get the NFL to approve Battle Red for A. Smith for every game?
     
  12. 76Texan

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    Bring out the whipping cane, thou who blasted Weaver, Okoye, TJ "incessantly"... and welcome A.S. into the fray!

    It was 0-21 before Smith did anything of substance.
    Started a fight out of frustration was what he did, or was it Laboy who started it, LOL!
    At least, it seems to fire him up some.

    Again, the Cards went almost strictly with the 3-4.
    Except they moved A.S. around a bit more.
    He would see the LT Ferguson as well, now that he sometimes lined up in the B gap.

    Didn't do squat against Ferguson (just a couple of times.)
    But did show some efforts early on to disengage from Mangold and Faneca to come back on two tackles: one for 4 yd gain, one for a 9 yd gain.

    After the little scuffle (with Laboy, I believe), he lined up in the A gap on the other side and was able to push the pocket on the RG (Moore, I think) forcing an incomplete pass, limiting the Jets to a FG. 0-24

    With 2 mins to go, Smith made a play for -1 yd on Washington on the strong side.
    Too bad, the Jets went on to score. 0-31

    It would be 0-34 at halftime, and the Cards were never in the game.

    It's small consolation that Smith would make a play on T. Jones for another 1 yd loss, again, on the strong side.

    Smith did show up (on the field) on a few more plays (perhaps 3 or 4).

    But too often, he was taken out of the play.
    I would be hard-pressed to give him a C for this game.
    (Even without considering the score.)

    In general, you have to win more battles than you lose to get a C.
    He didn't. Most I can give him is a C-.
    I'm sure a few fans could give him a D, arguably justifying the grade.

    The only plus I see here is maybe if they would move him more to the strong side, or the RG Moore is just that bad???

    Yikes!
     
  13. kiwitexansfan

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    I appreciate that your doing some hard work to analyse what Smith brings to the table, but in my admittedly limited experience, performances from one scheme and team to another don't necessarily translate very well.

    Not knowing what his assignments were and what the opposition was precisely doing just complicates things further.
     
  14. threetoedpete

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    I was so tired of seeing Weaver getting hooked by the other teams tackles last year....I just quit talking about it. there was nothing they could do about it.

    Antonio Smith has two things going for him....he's got Mario on the other side.... and he isn't Weaver. If they get four sacks out of him next year ...and some pressures, He'll be worth money.
    The only pressure Weaver was getting was gas when he went to Taco Cabana.
     
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    Doc, go get the Delorean and let's go back to the future.
     
  16. Kaiser Toro

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    Leave me some room in the car so can I make sure we do not sign the guy.
     
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    Isn't Smith a little light to be playing inside?

    I'm still taking the wait and see approach. I'd like to see him play the position we brought him in to play before I begin criticizing the hire. :)
     
  18. Polo

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    If the Cardinals were mostly in the 3-4 then that explains his lack of penetration. D-lineman are not going to do a lot of penetrating in a 3-4.
     
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    Yes--thankfully the Texans aren't planning on playing him inside.

    Yup
     
  20. Ole Miss Texan

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    :spit: Haha, nice catch! It's finally taken me 3 months to get used to writing '09 instead of '08. The ONE friggin time I get to write '08, I mess it up!
     

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