All encompassing Rick Smith thread

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  1. JB

    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    Yes, but one season is too soon to judge any
     
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    Mixed bag to me. A player with no/minor injury history gets nailed that's not bust, it's bad luck & football. GM/ HC take a gamble on a known risk, I'll go with bust if he was drafted as if never injured. If he otherwise would have been a 1st and you get him in the 5th, still not a bust.
     
  3. steelbtexan

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    They are staying on the field except for Coutee and according to Doc the Texans medical staff mishandled him. Again
     
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    You explained it much better than I did. I wholly agree.
     
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  5. dream_team

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    Yes, a coincidence that Rick was removed right after the acquisition of Watson. Our success this season has nothing to do with Rick being gone, more that Deshaun has played the whole season so far.

    He “fixed” the safeties, but we’re still horrible against the pass.

    You’re the one that can’t move forward. You never miss an opportunity to “thank Rick” whenever discussing anything bad in regards to the Texans. I agree, let’s move forward... so stop bringing him up all the time.

    I’m encouraged by Gaine, but let’s not act like he built this team. This is still a roster mostly assembled by Rick, especially the starters.
     
  6. Texas Jake

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    I think the injuries at CB has a lot to do with our struggles against the pass.
     
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    Texazan Our HOF 34

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    What is the forums agreed time line for grading results of a new GM? 3 years? 5 Years? I ask because IIRC its generally accepted a draft grade is turned out after year 3 is it not?

    (thread title, was there anything "all encompassing" about Rick Smith)
     
  8. infantrycak

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    That and a specific RAC comment, he has the most bizarre timing for scheme selection. Play 9 yd off man coverage for 3rd & 7. Play zone for 3rd & goal at the one.
     
  9. steelbtexan

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    Uncle Rico brought this up not me. I was just replying to him.

    Otherwise SMDH.
     
  10. steelbtexan

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    Apparently 12 yrs isn't enough.
     


  11. thunderkyss

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    Uh... Kevin Johnson can play. Dude's got skills.

    If there were injury concerns prior to the draft, I'd agree with you. Rick gambled & lost. If not, it's just one of those things. Not a miss, imo.
     
  12. thunderkyss

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    How many times have we said this?

    Maybe you knew better, but I took the cheese, time & time again. Who was that tall guy we drafted back when Kubiak was here? Converted WR, 3 good catches here. I can't remember his name. Then Garrett Graham was supposed to be OD 2.0, then Fiedo, best blocking TE in the draft. Then James Casey, the Swiss army knife jack of all trades...

    Get back to me when these TEs sign their 2nd contract.
     
  13. thunderkyss

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    How many wins would we have without DW4?

    How many without DHop?

    Who drafted those guys?

    All the ST talent in the world ain't worth what Watson brings.

    Just saying, that's the only coincidence I see. Lose horribly with the QBs BO'b wanted & groomed. Win games we shouldn't with Rick's boy.

    I wish we had pre injury Jj Watt though. We'd have the #1 seed locked up with all that ST talent.
     
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  14. steelbtexan

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    Take away any teams star players and what would you have. Ricky was great in the 1st rd. My main problems with Ricky were 1. It took him a decade to draft a QB. 2. He had no idea of the concept of roster building 3. He sucked in rds 2-4 and that's where roster building/depth comes from.

    I too wish we had pre-injury Watt. Although post injury Watt is still a very good player. Pro Bowl level. I'm really proud of the way Watt/JDC have made it back from injuries that would've ended many players careers.
     
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    He wasn't looking for a QB for most of that time. He found Schaub His first offseason & Kubiak made it work for most of Rick's tenure.

    Then BO'b had a hard-on for Hoyer & y'know.

    I think he's hit about as well as any other GM in rounds 2-4... but I'm counting guys we didn't want for one reason or another. Brandon Brooks, Ben Jones, Brooks Reed, Glover Quinn, XSF...
     
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    Your hindsight is like .20/.20 but you obsession with Smith is like .05/.20. Any optometrist's in the room?
     
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    I have no obsession and didn't bring Ricky up.

    Uncle Rico asked and I answered.

    He actually thinks Ricky was a good GM despite 12 yrs that point to the opposite.
     
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    Take away any teams star players and what would you have. Ricky was great in the 1st rd. My main problems with Ricky were 1. It took him a decade to draft a QB. 2. He had no idea of the concept of roster building 3. He sucked in rds 2-4 and that's where roster building/depth comes from.

    I too wish we had pre-injury Watt. Although post injury Watt is still a very good player. Pro Bowl level. I'm really proud of the way Watt/JDC have made it back from injuries that would've ended many players careers.
    [/QUOTE]Hmmmm.... The 1st step is admitting that you have a problem. How convenient that New Years is right around the corner....
     
  19. OptimisticTexan

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    UR....I usually agree with your post(s) but this one I will completely disagree with.

    Reid has been a diamond in the rough and a hell of a pick in RD3. If he continues to progress, he'll initiate a perrennial All Pro campaign next season.

    The Jordan's will both be really big impact TE's for the Texans when the OL issues get settled and OB can get them incorporated into the passing game. I could see both of these guys becoming the Texans version of the Gronk - Hernandez connection.....but for Watson. Both of these guys were big hits, especially Thomas since he was selected in RD6.

    Rankin will be just fine and a solid interior OL when OB and Devlin get him settled into an OG position. I still like this pick and he eliminates having to use a top draft pick in 2019 on an OG.

    Ejiofor will be another answer at OLB when he's heathy and looked good coming into the season. It wasn't an injury the debilitated him for the long run but an injury that slowed down his 2018 season.

    Coutee absolutely showed what his future could look like if he can stay healthy. I'm not going to associate him with Fuller just yet b/c he suffered a nasty hamstring injury, didn't give it enough time and re-injured it. If he makes it back for the playoffs.....he'll pay dividends. He's got a solid future but has to keep those hammy's healthy.

    Kalambayi and Kelly (IR) are still with the team and be competing in next year's off-season. The key, none of these guys were released and could be bigger pieces to this team next season.

    7 selected - 7 signed - 7 still with the team. This has to happen in the later rounds for the next few seasons to stack the depth chart with some pretty good talent or have some breakout/unsuspecting stars. This is how teams build long-term winning organizations.

    I will easily hand Gaine an A for his first draft b/c he simply did what hadn't been done for a Texans team since the beginning.....he nailed a boat load of picks from RD3 thru RD7.
     
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    Watson, Hopkins, Watt, Clowney, McKinney, Mercilus are good......but they're not bringing a Super Bowl home until Gaine fixes the foundation on both sides of the ball and the CB's. The depth chart needs to be addressed as well. Nice pieces were found by RS but he never completed the puzzle and in my eyes, he had too many great draft positions to somehow have missed these areas so badly. Not to mention, he was his own worst enemy at managing the cap.

    Because of this, he's out and Gaine is in.....his job, find the rest of the pieces. I really liked his first effort and I look forward to seeing what he can do with a full complement of picks and some reasonable cap space to work with.
     

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