All encompassing Rick Smith thread

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  1. infantrycak

    infantrycak Admin & Mod Staff Member

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    Not in isolation but it leaves out the price tag. There are 64 starting CBs in the league. RS made an offer to get him in the top quarter. He had the foresight to see the need and the asset. Bouye got paid 7th.

    It was basically unanimous last offseason that Bouye was wanted back but there was a price limit. Now folks are acting like price be damned. That's demanding a crystal ball.
     
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    disaacks3 Site Contributor

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    Well, one assumes that the savings was meant for Romo....which never happened.

    If true (honest question) - Who gets the blame for a Romo deal falling through? Whether a leak had Jones kibosh it, Romo truly wanted to retire, or it was all a smokescreen on Romo's part, who would take the hit?
     
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    I guess best answer I can give is if there is any blame within the Texans it falls on RS.

    I do wonder whether Oz and a play for Romo were not inspired by OB's vet preference.
     
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    Honoring Earl 34 Something Witty !

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    My question would be , if the Texans go after Romo , does that mean they considered themselves a QB away from being a SB contender ?
     
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    I think Smith thought they were after watching us go 9-7 with poor QB play. Remember, if they sign Romo the draft would have been different as well. I think they would have worked something out with Brown as well. As fragile as Romo is you’ve gotta protect him. An OL with Brown, a first rd OT and a 2nd or 3rd guard would have performed much better that what we witnessed this season

    Glad it worked out the way it did though. I’m really excited to watch Watson grow as a QB.
     
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    This always gets left out of Romo discussions.
     
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    Honoring Earl 34 Something Witty !

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    Sure but it's a two year plan thinking their a QB away . I think DBrown holds out no matter because the Texans will not come to the table and he wants out anyway but saying he didn't they pick an OT in the first and a guard in the 2nd it would take a while to gel and the first 5 games were stout . It's the Texans trolling for has beens and ending up letting players walk for used up vets .
     
  8. steelbtexan

    steelbtexan Hall of Fame

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    Ricky, or that's atleast what the McNair's actions look like to me.

    Of course there's always the chances he will be back influencing Enos.

    Oh well, I'm happy with change.

    Sometimes it's like pulling teeth.
     
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    If Texans sign Romo, I think they draft Ryan Ramczyk or Cam Robinson. By drafting an OT, instantly Duane Brown loses alot of leverage. There's a decent chance he doesn't hold out at all.
     
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    If Bob doesn't take a stance against his raised fist during the anthem there is a decent chance he doesn't hold out at all
     


  11. steelbtexan

    steelbtexan Hall of Fame

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    This is what I was saying all along and people told me I was crazy.

    Bottom line for me is thing going to affect the ability to recruit top tier FA's?
     
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    I don’t think that was the case at all.

    Duane was getting older, he just came off a major injury, he saw the OL situation the Texans were in, so he saw this as a good opportunity to ask for more guaranteed money. He knew his career was coming close to an end.

    If Bob McNair really bothered him, then why hold out? Just demand to be traded.
     
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    Who says he didn't demand a trade behind closed doors? Some guys keep their business private. Brown is not a dumb guy. He wanted out of Houston for a reason.
     
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    Instead of starting another thread I'll just bump this one. This topic has been hotly debated around here and it would be nice to have a place where fabricated and anecdotal stuff could be put to rest and where we could start the barometer for a Brian Gaine success story.

    http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2019mmd_16.php

    Everyone has crowned Gaine as some heir apparent, he has alot of work to do and big shoes to fill. The success rate on 1st round picks historically hovers around 50% .. Rick Smith nailed almost every pick except Amobi Okoye and Kevin Johnson .. thats phenomenal work. His second round picks are not far behind. Yet for some reason Smith is crucified around here as the main reason why the club has struggled to identify talent? He didnt do enough to retain some homegrown guys, but selecting at the top of the draft was never a problem for Smith. That played out excuse should die and people should stop trying to castrate the previous regime in order to make the current one more appealing, its just not based on tangible evidence. Yes he didnt always hit on later round picks .. did Gaine hit on later round picks? Justin Reid in the 3rd was great, what else from last years draft is showing promise?

    Not trying to rehash the past necessarily, just get sick when guys are pointing the finger at one dude and fail to address the other factors in the personnel deficiency with the current regime. "Its all Ricks Smiths fault" rationale.
     
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    Big shoes to fill? LOL

    Yes he hit on his 1st rd picks.

    Go back and look at his drafts in rds 2-4 and get back to me.

    His greatest failure was not drafting a decent QB in a decade.

    Maybe we just have a different definition of the word mediocrity. The only thing that really matters is his record, go back and check that out. It certainly shouldn't be hard to top that and if Gaine cant do better than that he needs to be fired too.

    I've wanted Ricky to be fired since 2010 and knew there would be no Lombardi's in Houston until he was gone. In other words look at it this way the last 7 yrs have been wasted football yrs. Do you think it's a coincidence that the Texans had their 2nd best yr in franchise history despite not having 1st or 2nd rd picks after they dumped Ricky?

    How did they accomplish this, by fixing 2 longstanding bugaboos in the reign of Ricky. ST's and the Safety positions. BTW, I think we are going to see a lot of improvement by the TE's in yr 2, because the TE position is one of the hardest for a rookie to learn and Thomas was really behind the 8 ball having been converted from WR. I'm really happy with his progress. Since Rankin has been moved inside where he belongs I expect him to improve greatly as he gets more experience in yr 2. If Coutee can stay healthy the sky's the limit for him. Do you like Daniel?

    Tell me when Ricky has ever had an offseason like Gaine's 1st offseason? Gaine's record speaks for itself, just as Ricky's did. I cant wait until Gaine has a full compliment of draft picks. Good times are ahead. I do feel as though there's a racial element in people that defend Ricky because the Texans were going nowhere with him and there was 12 yrs of evidence to support this position. How many more yrs of mediocrity would Ricky have had to have before you would stop making posts like this one? Another 5 yrs? 10 yrs 20 yrs?

    Enough is enough of this crap, lets just move forward, we have had the 2nd best season in franchise history and we still get posts like this one. SMH
     
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    we can move forward if you stop making **** up and crying about Tricky Ricky everytime this team has a hiccup and you can get up off your knees from sucking off OBrien and Gaine in your attempt to discredit everything before then ... otherwise I will continue to make you look like a fool everytime one of your ridiculous takes on this matter is brought up.

    Today Ross Tucker from the Athletic gives Rick Smith HUUGE love for finding Brandon Brooks, calls Brandon Brooks the best RG in football and the Texans dumb for not signing him, the radio team then goes on to inform Tucker that Bill OBrien didnt get along with Brooks and basically ran him out of town, at which point Tucker LAUGHED LOL

    At first you criticized everything about Smith, as more information contrary to your takes comes out, the more you try and skew the conversation in your favor. NOW its all the late round picks that supposedly Smith whiffed on, but if I were to dig up GM accuracy rates in later rounds and show you to your fact that you are still wrong you would only shift the argument in another direction.
     
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    Since hitting late round picks is so Easy @steelbtexan why is Reid the only player from last years Brian Gaine draft class that shows any promise at all?
     
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    I'm not doing any such things for Gaine BOB. I'm just happy that the Texans are having their 2nd winningest season in franchise history and dont think it's a coincidence that it coincided with Ricky being gone. The winning is an inconvenient truth that you dont want to acknowledge. It's like you're unhappy the Texans are doing better since Gaine was hired.

    I noticed how you didn't address Gaine's 1st draft. I'm very happy with it considering the picks Gaine had. Obviously you didn't go back and look at Ricky's rd 2-4 draft record. Good times are ahead catch the wave and dont be a hater.

    BTW, notice how you didn't see me mention BOB in this post. Gaine/Ricky are the ones whose jobs should be compared. The jury is still out on Gaine although he's off to a very promising start.
     
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    I really think Jordan Thomas/Coutee and others I posted have alot of promise. Feel free to disagree. What were your expectations of a late rd draft class. I think Gaine has done about as well as can be realistically be expected. That doesn't even count the FA/UDFA moves Gaine has made.
     
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    I’m a Rick Smith hater but I gotta day this... Drafts aren’t based on potential. If a player can’t stay on the field then they’re a bust.
     
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