Discussion in 'College Football & the NFL Draft' started by Frills, Jan 16, 2006.
See Akili look good in college.
See Akili flop in the NFL.
This is Vince's future will mimic
Can you elaborate? Appreciate that you posted this is in the right forum, but we need something with a little more teeth for this to be its own thread.
Akili Smith played for Oregon in a very QB friendly offense against Pac-10 defenses which had little effect on games that were more basketball style than football.
Drafted 3rd behind Couch (1)and McNabb (2)...ahead of Edge (4), Williams (5), Holt (6), champ Bailey (7), Boston (8).
VY played in a very friendly spread offense, an offense similar to what OU ran in the Championship year of 2000 with Heupel at the helm. Stoops went to the spread offense because it forces the defense to show its hand earlier, thus making QB reads easier as well. Mack Brown shifted the UT offense to more of a spread last year and put it in fully this year.
Vince struggled early and when the scheme became more simplified, he thrived.
This year the Big 12 defenses were as pathetic as the Pac-10 D's in the late 90's.
I think the Texans could handle the heat of keeping Carr, but if they dump Carr and VY turns into Akili Smith...the locals will not be restless, they won't care, and what once had promise wil become Detroit and Arizona.
Appreciate you coming back with something tangible. This should be a concern whether you are in the VY camp or the other two. I trust that our personnel team and new staff will be looking at this with a stern eye. What we do not need, for the health of the franchise, is to miss potentially twice with a QB in the #1 slot.
Which is why they have to draft Bush no matter what, they can't afford to miss. The pure odds of a bust at RB are drastically lower than that of a QB when talking the first few picks of a draft.
The problem with Vince Young (or any draft pick, for that matter) is that really, we don't know.
Some of us point to his great college success, his exciting athleticism and apparent leadership abilities (and regrettably, the Vince-can't-possibly-ever-lose aura of his hype as it stands now) and say, well of course that will translate into the NFL: Vince has the potential to change the face of the NFL.
Others amongst us will point to his obvious mechanical deficiencies, his all-world supporting cast, his excellent coaching, and his substantially inferior competition, and say: well there you have it, that is why Vince succeeds at UT, but he won't do that in the NFL.
The truth, I expect, lies somewhere in between. It would be hypocritical of me to say that Vince is guaranteed to fail when I have for weeks been reassuring people on this board that he is *not* guaranteed to succeed in the league. There is no guarantee.
That said, I agree with a lot of what you are saying here regarding the systems/college competition, etc., though I do believe that Vince Young will be a good NFL quarterback, possibly sure even a great one. Once again I also state, he would have fared no better than Carr this year, and should not be our number one choice this time around.
If you don't like Young, fine. But to compare him to Akili Smith, come on. Are some of you of the opinion that Young is only popular because he's a local and because of "ONE game"?
Not sure where you got the odds, but the only #1 picks, in the cap era, who have been on a Super Bowl Champs roster are Bledsoe, Keyshawn and Orlando Pace. Bledsoe was 9 years into his career and did not play in the SB. Keyshawn was with his second team. Only Pace spearheaded his team to a SB win as a #1 pick is expected.
The legacy of a #1 pick is most often cap anguish.
guess someone didn't read the whole thread...it wasn't one game, I suggest you read more of the argument
QB vs RB's being busts isn't just in the Cap era, its impacted more due to the cap, but either players can play or they can't top rated QB's fail more often than RB's.
That is quite a statement. It occurs to me that you are being just as presumptuous as those posters that want to put Young in the Pro Football HOF right now.
There's no doubt in my mind that most of this local Vince Young hype is because he's a local. Leinart's name was never mentioned before Young declared, which I think would have been a more popular topic than Reggie Bush if you guys really thought Carr needed the boot. However, the board had an onslaught of Reggiemania and hardly any mention of a QB change until the local declared.
And Reggie Bush played in a very RB friendly offense (a friendly offense period) considering that him and White broke all types of records while playing against Pac-10 defenses that are horrible against the run if you consider that JJ Arrington had a 2000 yard season a year ago.
AHHHH... hit the nail on the head.
It would of been interesting had Matt Lienart been from Madison High wouldn't it?
I agree.... VY may be a great quarterback one day, but I'm not giving him points just because he's a Texas boy OR that if we pass him up he will likely end up with the Titans. That should not even play into the decision, this is football people, not some great drama or a popularity contest.
according to gil brandt on sirius nfl radio he was thinking prior to rose bowl vy would be a rec in nfl that game made him check stats and he believes vy could have a future playing qb in 3-4 yrs if he could develop his skils better
Amen. I'd rather have Lineart than Young if we need a new QB.
See Akili never do anything remotely close to what Young did in college both on the ground or in the air.
First off, this is the worst thread ive seen in the last 2 months, and ive seen some pretty dumb ones.
Akili is black, and Vince is black, so Vince is going to do exactly what Akili did! Brilliant detective work there Sleuth.
So now Bush is a cant miss player? I forgot Bush was immune to the bust bug. And did you even research the odds of a bust QB vs Bust RB in the first few picks of the draft?
Of course you didnt. You just make dumb blind statment, after dumb blind statment. Get some facts, then make a smart, intelligent thread.
Some are exactly that and I think it would be ignorant of anyone to deny that there is an element of his "base" that didn't come to life about two minutes after the Rose Bowl ended.
Everyone in here says "Oh well I wanted the Texans to take Vince all along but hey, nobody knew he was coming out" and that's fine. I know for a fact that there are people out there who this describes perfectly. I also know that not everyone was "Thinking Vince but didn't know he would come out". That is, IMO impossible. There are plenty of people who think Vince is the reason because he's a)local, b)a longhorn, and c)performed well in the Rose Bowl.
I'm not saying they're right kbourda, I'm just saying they exist in pretty good numbers. They may not be the majority of his fans (and you'll never be able to count them all because none of them will admit it) but they're a good portion of his current fanbase.
This thread is a joke. Akili Smith had a 57% completion rate, and didn't run much in college. When he ran he had a 2 ypc average.
Oregon ran for 1800 yards that year, Texas ran for 3300 yards this year. If you call running the ball 47 times a game "basketball", then I guess we can expect Vince to fit in perfectly with Kubiak.
I really see no similarities here. Akili wasn't as accurate a passer or as good of an athlete, and was shorter.
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