Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by Kimmy, Jun 7, 2010.
They make some good points and kind of slam his Uncle -
Yahoo Sports Story
Pay him. He took the pay cut so that there would be cap space for Kubiak to bring in new blood but now, with no cap, he should be compensated fairly, not only for what he will do this year or over the next 4 years, but for what he has brought to the team from when the time he re-structured his deal (back to back 1500 yard seasons).
He should be the highest paid player other than some of the top tier quarterbacks in the league.
Here's the most important sentence of the story:
The Texans are also to blame. In my opinion, they took that deal and ran with it because they knew full well that it was a huge bargain for the Texans.
Yeah, AJ didn't have proper representation. I "get" that. I really do. But there's also the cold, hard truth that nobody in the Texans organization said "Wait a second, slow down. The numbers on this deal look decent TODAY. But what about a few years down the road. We know the numbers game. We know what salaries are going to potentially look like down the road." Then someone else in the room says, "Yeah, but we can't pay Andre what the numbers would dictate 3 or 4 years from now. It would throw the other teams into a huge mess and we'd be the root of it. We are going to do the deal that AJ wants, and we'll find ways to deal with the fallout when the fallout hits the media. Probably several years down the road. This is a huge blessing in disguise, actually. He should have played out his contract and gone from there. If he signs off on it, then it's his mess as far as I am concerned."
Face it folks, this is just how things are done. This is not a kid getting screwed at his birthday party by opening up boxes and boxes full of socks and underwear when he really expected lots of toys. Andre Johnson is the best overall receiver plaing in the NFL, and his uncle worked in conjunction with Andre to essentially hose themselves in the end. And the Texans obliged them the whole way.
Takes two to dance the Texans Two-Step, IMO. Fault on both sides. And really who cares? He's going to get a better deal. The P.R. hit would be hard to take for the Texans, so they will deal with the fallout like they had probably planned back when the deal was done. [/thread]
Lets not forget that Johnson had injury issues during both the 2005 and 2007 seasons. He had big problems in the 2007, right after signing that extension.
Football in unpredictable.
Receiving a frontloaded contract in 2007 probably seemed an excellend decision after he suffered that knee injury and has only become a problem now that he's regained his health.
If he had never played again, would he have returned the money to McNair?
Yup. Andre was also trying to save himself a 3% agent fee. Melton apparently did this for free or MUCH less than 3%. Andre was trying to be cheap with his money. Takes 2 to tango... unless the Texans recommended or encouraged the hire of Unca Melton.
Whether he's "worth" the $$$ is not the question. Nobody made him sign that contract. In another two years, when there's say THREE years remaining on the contract, it would be in the Texans' best interest to redo his deal.
At the FIVE year remaining mark, the Texans don't need to be setting a precedent.
Boring and tired attempt at trying to swing the ball back into his endzone. It's pretty easy to negotitate a discounted price but once money changes hands, it becomes a legal issue. I recently had a mechanic who repaired the WRONG thing on my car which did not get fixed. Best he offered me was half off the next job. He claimed that since he did the labor. Kind of like how we don't know if Andre's going to play next season. It is what it is... NFL contracts are pretty ironclad and advantageous if Uncy know what he's doing.
I'm just an AJ homer. I think he deserves to get paid, especially with how he has handled this getting back into camp. I wish I could meet the guy someday. Seems like a real class act.
Sigh, if only we could look into the future to see how our decisions come out....
I wonder if anyone has tried to interview the uncle?
20 million dollars is a lot of money. But Andre isn't hurting for cash. In my opinion, the fact that he doesn't have an insane contract only adds to his legend. It means that football, the team, and championships are more important to him than over-the-top wealth. You ask for gigantic contracts when you are going to play for a team that you don't have any chemistry with, that you don't have much of a shot at the playoffs or championships with. If AJ went to the Bills, I would expect him to try to get $12M a year.
Bottom line is I'm glad he is here, I don't feel guilty or bad about the money he is making, and his handling of his career on the business side is an admirable example that more NFL players should try to emulate.
rep. well said.
Bah frigging humbug on his missing 20 million.
It is apparent our society deems football players and rock stars more important than school teachers, policemen and military servicemen.
I don't think the Texans FO is the blame.
That's all on AJ for having his uncle as an advisor. Do I think AJ deserves a raise? Certainly.
But, he's not going to get it with 5 years left on his current deal.
You get to a certain point and the money is really more about respect than $$$.
I'd feel comfortable with the front office sticking to the contract, but I think there's a value beyond the extra cost to do something. Show the next guy in-line for more money how you get it in Houston. Let the T.O.'s of the world shop somewhere else.
I think hes also just tired of losing
Yes, it's on AJ.
But it's also funny how nobody seems to think the Texans are guilty of a portion of this situation, as well.
You seriously don't think it ever crossed McNair's Front Office number-crunchers that the Texans were going to end up getting a super-sweet deal a few years down the road?
This is like someone saying "I'll give you two quarters for your dollar," and the person thinks "Man, I'm getting TWO quarters for ONE dollar!"...I know that's probably extreme, but I'm trying to show that AJ messed up and the Texans gladly allowed him to.
"Business is business" is not a motto I run my firm by, but I can't really fault the front office for it. It's how the bulk of the world operates.
The man is making quite a bit of money. HE hired Unca' for (I've heard reported 1%) less $$ than a legit agent. He's nowhere NEAR a poor house, nor even the lower echelon at his position. He's not the first player to outperform his contract and he won't be the last. The Texans are guilty of NOTHING in this case. They negotiated in good faith and Andre signed on the dotted line. I absolutely LOVE the guy as a player and a person, but HE put himself in this situation. Nobody FORCED him to use his Uncle OR to sign the offer from the Texans.
As I said before, in another two years, the Texans should try to ensure that AJ (if still healthy) is among the highest paid WRs in the game. Until then, the Texans don't need to break new ground by re-working a very young deal.
Can you add a NURSE to that list Thorn? From Jan to May I have to work every stinking overtime hour I can to pay those outragous prices for season tickets, just so I can see my fav team play ball. I'm not complaining, I do it because I love the team, and the game of football. BUT, that 4000+ bucks I plunk down every Spring is chicken scratch to football players, and they still want to complain because someone else might be making MORE millions than they are!! So sorry if I don't feel SORRY for any of them! They make more in a year than I'd see in 10 lifetimes!!
It isn't about the money; it is about the respect. When you are the best at what you do, you deserve to be compensated like the best.
I agree completely that athletes, actors, and the like make far too much money, and our society certainly is in need of reevaluating our stance on celebrity salaries, but it is what it is. We don't need an angry, upset, or disrespected Andre on this team. I'm surprised so many of you don't see that. I understand this does not need to become a precedent, but AJ is no ordinary player. A guy like him comes along once a decade. Pay him what the market says he deserves.
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