AJ:Schaub says Tate fits Texans mold

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  1. Wolf

    Wolf 100% Texan

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    http://www.examiner.com/x-778-Houst...Texans-mold?cid=exrss-Houston-Texans-Examiner
     
  2. Lucky

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    Breakout season? The Texans yards per play and rushing average were better in 2008 than 2009. Baby Shanny red zone play calls (if they were really his) were very questionable. Very. With Greg Knapp tutoring Schaub and Dennison ramrodding the running game, I feel much more comfortable with the Texans offense in 2010 than ever before.
     
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    I like Matt's comments. Shows he is growing, and he's understanding more about the game, than just QB talk.

    I think he is very close to elite status... last year, he started to make things happen. If he can continue to make things happen because of his knowledge of the game...

    Guys, good times are about to start rolling in H-Town.
     
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    Yep. He's not the most athletic qb out there, but he is very, very, very smart. And for a qb, that's half the battle right there.
     
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    A great read at the end of June...I need Texans news so this was a great find. Thank you!
     
  6. bckey

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    Kubiak is going to Washington?
     
  7. Hagar

    Hagar Drink up yall, its the Texans!

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    What I thought was interesting was the picture, which has Brisiel centering the ball to Matt. Things that make you say hmmmmmm.

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    re: 'breakout'

    I was talking about things like Schaub's 4770 yards which is 6th best ever in the NFL, his 29/15 TD-Int ratio, the team's top ten finish in points scored for the first time ever, the Texans ability to put up passing yards by the bushel even though everyone knew they couldn't run the ball .... not the 0.1 yard difference in yards per play between '08 and '09.

    I think Kyle and Matt were developing an excellent rapporte and had a good thing going. I think Kyle pushed Kubiak and challenged his comfort zone - something Kubiak needs from time to time. I don't think we'll see the same from Dennison because that's not his deal. Kubiak recently described Dennison as 'an o-line guy' and even though he's smarter than the average bear, he probably wasn't hired to be an out of the box thinker.

    But it goes without saying that the Texans success in '10 will be based on the Texans ability to run the ball effectively, balance out the offense and keep Schaub's pass attempts down to something more reasonable. That's something that Dennison should be able to help accomplish.

    Knapp? I can't get too excited about a guy that was Kubiak's third choice. Run of the mill OC and if you recall before hiring Knapp the Texans were denied permission to speak to Falcons QB coach Bill Musgrave and Dolphins receivers coach Karl Dorrell.
     


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    I think it had more to do with Schaub just staying healthy and taking the next step as a starter...... Jay Cutler threw for over 4500 yards with Rick Dennison as a offensive coordinator. (and just like us, the Broncos were stuck playing around .500 football) Frankly I'd like to throw less and have the ability to run more, so hopefully Dennison helps there.
     
  10. Lucky

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    That doesn't tell me much. FOKs (Friends of Kubiak) will always get preference over coaches who haven't worked with Gary. And Musgrave and Dorrell are FOKs. Knapp turned Jeff Garcia into a Pro Bowl QB, and had Michael Vick functioning as a NFL QB. Like Musgrave, Knapp has worked with Schaub and comes with his blessing. Knapp's lack of success at his previous 2 stops (Oakland & Seattle) has more to due with the ingredients used than anything else.

    I would actually propose the opposite of your assertion, seeing Dennison (and Knapp) more likely to challenge Kubiak based upon past experience and success. I would like to think that Dennison would tell Kubiak that he's out of his gourd to try a HB pass in the red zone with a guy who's never thrown a NFL pass in his life. Baby Shanny has a lot of potential. But, a lot to learn. I'll take my chances with Dennison (and Knapp).
     
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    Honestly the only way I see Schaub regressing is if the injury monster pokes his head up again. Our passing game improved drastically just by getting rid of David Carr and has really only gotten better. The run game has been up and down and really you can point to the backs and the O-line for that. I think coaching has a hand in it of course but you can't tell me (yet) that Kyle Shannahan is solely responsible for our explosion of yards through the air. AJ has always been here, but the emergence of KW as being a good #2 and OD being a pretty good TE really opened things up for both Sage and Matt (and I've always thought Sage was only fair, he's just an INT machine). I think if Dennison gets the run game settled down, the passing game will see fewer attempts but our playaction will be way more deadly (which is what our passing game is centered around). Knapp doesn't bother me as a coaching hire as him and Schaup have a history, and I believe his job is more to keep those extremely ill-timed INT's down. I know that Schaub threw almost a 2:1 TD:INT ratio, but some of those INT's came at the worst possible times.

    Will we see some playcalls on the offense that'll leave us scratching our heads? Well yeah, I can't think of many coaches not named Peyton Manning (lol) or Bill Belichek who have called perfect seasons on the offense. I like the offensive ingredients on our team (Ben Tate, Dickerson and Graham excluded), and you can say there are relatively few positions where an upgrade is absolutely necessary (Guard positions are the only thing that come to mind for me, some people will point at the Center, but I think if the Guards play better then the Center will also elevate even if the name stays the same). Now the defense, I'm not so nearly as sure about, but we've retained the staff so I can only hope that they do a better job of putting our players in a position to succeed.
     
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    I've seen a lot of fluffy praise over Kyle Shanahan lately. Disturbing, not that the guy is lost but he called some flat out stupid plays several times this year. The same play 3 times in a row getting stuffed at the goalline anyone?
     
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    I just hope that if the running game gets going folks don't act like Schaub is regressing just because he doesn't have to pass as much.
     
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    I agree. The biggest difference, IMO, will be the change with the Oline coach. Alex Gibbs won't be pushing his dogmatic beliefs down the throat of the offense. That addition by subtraction will make a huge difference in the run game. Good riddance!!
     
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    6th best tells me that he's got a lot of flash. It was an explosion in yards from what he's done in the past. What I'm afraid of is that will always be the highlight of his career. It matters none if he was "on pace" to put up those kind of numbers in the past. I mean... only 5 people have done better in the history of the NFL and many are ready to annoint Schaub into elite company? *sigh* I just wish we had a playoff berth to go along with it last season to at least. I love Schaub but out-throwing Manning's SB-bound team in yards has got to be a fluke. Pattycake schedule anyone? Especially now that we have a new offensive coordinator and quite a few different guys on the field coupled with the toughest schedule in the NFL. I don't know about that now. I guess... show me is my attitude about it right now.

    I am not very optimistic because I think we have issues that are out of the player's hands. Out of the top 10 passing teams, I think we're the only ones who didn't make the playoffs outside of the Steelers. Solid clock management will come with wins. Sleepwalking through FA does not bring wins. Imagine Schaub being able to open up the field on the go.
     
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    Dogmatic? C'mon now. We were Gibbs's first failure in 30+ years of coaching. He gave up on the Houston Texans. I think that says more about us than anything else.
     
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    alot of good stuff here & its only June. thanks to AJ who covers all things Texans better than any other news outlet (course I am biasd) :)

    I'll let you guys fight out the pros & cons between coordinators, approaches etc. etc. leave me to focus on Tate & his soon to be close partnership in the backfield to Schaub. First & foremost Tate provides immediate upgrades in pass pro & blocking assingments, you would think any QB loves this type of attitude to keep his QB clean. Second his ability to run inside, pick up tough yardage & help get another set of downs or convert in the Red Zone. Third while not used a whole lot while @ Auburn (53 receptions 336 yards) received ball in non designed routes in traffic with lots of SEC trash around. He actually does have good hands & can pluck the ball & be far more effective than thought for Schaub in this role as well.

    I know he's off to a bit of a slow start with his hamstring pull but while in Auburn he was a very durable but not overworked solid RB. The Texans had to pull the trigger on him early in order to address this need & give Schaub half a chance to be even more effective & clean in the pocket. Ben Tate has the prototypical size coveted in the NFL & for players like him who fit into a system will be counted on heavily by mid-season to have an immediate impact. :specnatz:
     
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    Did not know Brisiel was in the running for the center position, or even for playing time there in a reserve role ?
     
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    From what I understand, Gibbs was pretty hands off last year. It was like he was here... getting paid... to do nothing.
     
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    The fact that one of our team leader veterans is giving him props right now is always a good sign to me.
     

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