AJ:Can the Texans afford Mario Williams and Arian Foster?

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  1. Wolf

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    http://www.examiner.com/houston-tex...texans-afford-mario-williams-and-arian-foster
     
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    Sign 'em and trade him. Whatever we sign him to, could bring multiple future picks. I'd be willing to explore that possibility as opposed to just letting him walk.



    *Disclaimer*

    I like Mario and would love for him to have played his entire career here in Houston, but at the end of the day, you have to look at the overall value. It's just not there unless you sign him and get something in return... Something substantial!!
     
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    ^^^What he said
     
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    Probably a dumb question, but what does AJ stand for?
     
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    AJ Burge! A Texans blogger!

    Wait, an awesome Texans blogger!!! :smiliedance:
     
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    The writing heads are beginning to see the light. We have been talking about this for 10 months now on this board. I hope I am wrong but I don't see a tag and trade working. The article is correct you can't have a few players take up that much of your cap. This is a TEAM sport.
     
  7. Corrosion

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    Its gonna be really difficult to use the franchise tag to trade MW .... Probably the ideal scenario if you are the Texans but considering all the logistics of it , difficult to execute.

    Rick Smith is really gonna earn his pay this offseason and next - Next seasons FA group is much more larger than this years tho maybe not quite so high profile.


    The two most likely scenario's are he walks or the Texans sign MW to a contract thats backloaded to the 2013 & 14 seasons as the salary cap should rise significantly in those years , in the neighborhood of $180m , possibly more.

    Either way , he wont count near as much against the cap next season as he did this past one - His cap number was about $17m. If they can get him in the $10-12m range they still have money left to re-up Foster , Briesel , Dreessen and Myers. They just wont have anything left to make outside FA moves. Other positions will have to be upgraded thru the draft.


    There are a few cost cutting moves I expect to see - Leinart & J.Jones cut as cap casualties and Demeco re-structuring his deal as he will count ~$8.5m on the cap. Thats just too much.
     
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    I personally think this is a sad, sad attempt at stopping the Mario (or the Pay Arian) threads from growing.

    I'm still going to post in the other threads...... heck, I'll probably just copy, paste, & link my posts from the other threads.
     
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    Rip it off... fast... like one would a band aid. Bye Mario.
     
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    In addition to posing a potential problem, this also presents an opportunity. If the Texans can renew any of next years expiring contracts this off season, it could not only secure the players in question, but also create cap room for 2012 by structuring those renewals to move money to 2013, or even later when the cap is expected to grow significantly.
     
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    Gotta find a way to keep Mario, man.

    Best way to do that? Backload the holy **** out of his deal and hope he's down with it. Reed is a bad ass OLB, but he ain't Mario, fam.
     
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    Sign him to a big deal, back loaded later. Regardless of how he performs in 2012, trade him for profit!
     
  14. Kaiser Toro

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    As I peel back the onion while researching the "new" salary cap variables (CBA and other sites), it appears that the following variables need to be considered and addressed, with these discussions, in order to delineate cap availability for the near and long term:

    - Salary Cap Carryover
    - Amounts Borrowed from Future Caps
    - Base Salary Escalators, such as Likely to be Earned Incentives (team and individual escalators) pages 102-104 of the CBA

    - Incremental Cap due to TV rights

    http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

    There is much uncertainty due to our actual cap number, just like other teams as they wrap up the current fiscal year. Moreover, dealing with our own free agents, and the hard decisions that are to pass, are not local to the Texans, other teams have difficult decisions as well. The aggregate of those decisions is the market, which is undetermined at this point.

    Of course, we all have our favorites and the narratives that we conjure up can be biased in favor of the outcomes that we would like to see. This is natural as die hard fans. In the interim, as we and the collective front offices corral clarity in the coming weeks and months there will be plenty of hyperbole and innuendo which will fuel the debate.
     
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    Reading that game me a headache .... Rick has his work cut out for him.
     
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    Sure it presents an opportunity .... But with this teams history of not renewing deals before they expire .... I find it hard to believe they would go in that direction.
     
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    As I see it, Foster is a much greater need than Mario, if we can keep both I'm all for it (and i really want to see what Mario can do with this system for a full year), but if only one can stay, it's definitely Arian.
     
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    In AJ's article
    Given that Sportrac has done a great job of SEO and attempting to be the go to source for cap discussions, it only makes sense to use it as the baseline for these discussions without knowing actual cap implications. With that said, let's take a look at other top AFC teams and how their top six players will affect their cap in 2012, according to Sportrac.

    Ravens - Ngata, Suggs, Reed, Foxworth, Flacco, Gurode = ~$64m and have Ray Rice as a UFA

    Steelers - Roethlisberger, Harrison, Timmons, Taylor, Hampton, Woodley = ~$54m

    Patriots - Brady, Wilfork, Light, Mankins, Ochocinco, Mayo = ~$46m

    Broncos - Bailey, Dumervil, Dawkins, Warren, Williams, Tebow = ~$53m

    This is simply an exercise to chip away at the 2012 "doomsday" scenario of six players being X percentage of cap. As one can easily see it is not local to the Texans, but representative of the power structure in the AFC. However, this exercise still does not account for 2013 and beyond cap implications, which is the crux of the conversation.
     
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    Good post - MSR.
     
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    Must spread rep. Great job!
     

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