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  1. thunderkyss

    thunderkyss It's good to be me... again. Staff Member

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    If we're going to play like that every week, yeah. But that's not likely. We'll either play better, or worse. Hopefully we'll find a way to consistently play better. We'll see.
     
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    And we will probably play much better defenses going forwards than we face today.
     
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  3. steelbtexan

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    The Panthers are better than most defenses the Texans will play this yr. Still no excuse for the putrid showing today.
     
  4. OptimisticTexan

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    Will anything or any player or players ever change the results of this offense as long as OB and Devlin are in the drivers seat? NO....backed up by 6 years of evidence.

    You guys need to quit acting like OB had some kind of profound NFL and college success or impact before joining the Texans. He's been in the drivers seat for 6 seasons and by every and all eye test(s)......the Texans look the same today as they have over the past 6 seasons regardless of the numerous personnel changes. How many personnel changes from the FO, coaches to the players have been made over the past 6 years to yield the same or failed results? Too many to count but what's the one constant.....Bill O'Brien. Conclude what you may from this but the facts are the facts.
     
  5. OptimisticTexan

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    He wasn't regressing in Miami and if he had been traded to the Patriots......would he be regressing or be establishing a Pro Bowl resume? He's regressing in a failed system and so have many others. In a better system, Tunsil would look like the guy the Texans traded for but that's not the reality today.

    I think a good GM could've moved Clowney for Tunsil at the owners meetings. Miami was hot on Clowney. Maybe the Dolphins get an additional pick out of the deal since Tunsil's contract still had some tread left.

    The Texans could've saved those picks and thrown some of them at the Redskins for Scherff. Hail, who knew they were at impasse with the best RG in the league. Everyone knew of the situation they were in with one of the best LT's (Williams) in the NFL. I'd venture to say the Texans could've got the Redskins attention by offering their 2020 RD1 and RD2 picks......like Tunsil the Texans would need to get both signed to long term deals to secure the OL going forward.

    These moves would've negated the need to extend Martin which would've prevented the mistake the team will have to live with this season. Does anyone see Martin as a salvageable case that will live up to the contract extension?
     
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    Devlin is going to be BOB's downfall.

    I would've fired Devlin 2 yrs ago. Or atleast after last yr since they drafted 2 new rookie OL and traded for Tunsil. No need for Devlin to screw the new guys up with his teachings. The OL still struggles to pick up stunts. I'm still giving it 6 games for the OL to get straightened out but things dont look promising at this point. Watson certainly isn't helping things. I mean 1 sack Tunsil gave up he ran the DE 5 yds past Watson and Watson held the ball so long he still got sacked. It appears at this point Watson's career path is taking the same path as Carr's.
     
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    Lol that’s what you think his downfall is?
     
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    I know everybody loves DW4... & I do too. But it's time for Watson to start helping his OL.

    Right now, he's like Mike Tyson. Always throwing power shots. He needs to be like Holyfield & learn to use his jabs & hooks to set up the upper cuts & crosses.
     
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    Best analogy I've heard yet for how Watson is playing
     
  10. Uncle Rico

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    Tunsil does not look like he was worth 2 first round picks.

    Watson needs to help his line more by using the check down??? He did that the most ever yesterday and what did that get him? 2 sacks on the very first goddamn drive? Thats his fault? Not eveyones favorite dollar store running backs Hyde and Johnson who cant pass block for sht. (know who can pass block great? Melving fking Gordon - but I digress) it falls on the feet of Jesus with Cleats - always. He has to play near perfect every game to overcome the deficiencies with the system. Everything has to work perfectly in OBriens offense - did anyone listen to the explanation of the trick play by OBrien (duuurrrr, it was a bad call WHOOPS my bad guys - I have to get better) and then Watson breaking down the coverages, saying that in film "the defense would react a certain way", but on the call it didnt happen, he was trying to kill the play after snap, but Nuk was already committed.

    Watson gets killed for going the deep route too often, but nobody ever makes mention that this offense doesnt create much in terms of underneath. One week we get modern bunch sets and Watson looks great, then next week back to 4 second routes and nothing but a RB as a safety valve. Deshaun missed his TE on a couple of plays, but besides that there just wasnt anything there, what would have been better just to throw it up for grabs, hope NUK does his spider man thing? Throw some interceptions? Im sure that would have gone over well. He missed the 2 TD passes that were there yesterday, if he hits one we win another ugly one and move on, but he was off yesterday - Jesus with Cleats showing his human nature.

    This offense relies on luck and individual greatness to succeed.
     
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  11. steelbtexan

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    Of those 1st 2 sacks one of them Watson held the ball too long.

    Watson had an off game in terms of OL calls and accuracy. A snapshot of the game would be when Watson fumbled. Reid blitzed and there were 2 hot reads open on his right, Watson looked to his left, got hit and fumbled and no, those hot reads weren't 20 yds downfield.

    These are the things he's struggling with and needs to improve on. Hopefully it gets better soon because yesterday was awful.
     
  12. OptimisticTexan

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    The problem on that play......the TE didn't even try to chip Reid before releasing. Had the TE chipped Reid instead of him having a free lane to Watson.....the play and results are probably different. As I watched that play in slow motion, how in the world did the TE completely miss Reid running towards and past him without even trying to slow him down?
     
  13. Texecutioner

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    I loved the OB hire at the time and I wanted him here based on what he did at Penn State and in NE.

    That being said, his time was up around year 3 and 4 based on the garbage offense we kept putting out there with multiple QB's where no one over achieved. His coaching never evolved in any capacity either, and last season was his put up or shut up year and unfortunately the team had a real good stretch of wins that gave him a longer tenure here to screw things up.
     
  14. TheKDog

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    He should have been done after the mallet-hoyer carousel. That was a fireable offense
     
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    He should have been fired for letting go of Fitzpatrick and try to make Hoyer into a franchise qb. I honestly think OB didn't want Mallet, but that was RS offering a plan B.
     
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    Wasn't that only in year 2? I don't think that would have been fair.

    You have to remember that Risk Smith was also playing a huge role in that as well. It was hard to see what the problem was and how much of it was on OB. He wasn't awful in every aspect of coaching either. I think he showed some early positives at times under those squads. Its just that he didn't improve on the negatives. The Texans aren't trash under him and won't be for the most part. They just can't advance past their highest peaks and their ceiling can only get so high.

    I think we've seen who he is at this point, and after this season we should definitely move on. I doubt we will though.
     
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    I think the McNairs should have seen that Rick Smith was just getting him the guys he wanted. Failing that, fire him after the Brock debacle
     
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    Watson still should've hit his hot read. He had time but looked the wrong way. He was oblivious to the blitz.
     
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    Unless the McNair's knew that RS was responsible for bringing in Os. Then it would make sense why BOB is still here.
     
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    Not sure about that. It seemed like they quarreled a lot about talent. Who knows really.

    I hated Rick Smith and felt like he should have been canned way before he was, and was also a bad hire in the first place too. I won't cut him any slack.

    I think we needed to give OB a full chance to succeed. They did. He simply hasn't grown into what we had hoped for.
     
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