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  1. Texecutioner

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    We know why it was made. The point is that it wasn't a guarantee that it was going to transform this Oline any way. Not this season, so we could have continued to build up the Oline with He has O'brien coaching him. His learning curve is likely to be his own with very little effectiveness and tutelage through the staff unfortunately. It isn't just the players on this offensive line. Its the coaching on that specific part of the game is just bad. Carolina has a solid defense and their secondary likely had the receivers guarded really well making it harder for Watson to know where to put the ball.
     
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  2. maverick512000

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    No it wasn’t a guarantee but then a draft pick wouldn’t have been a guarantee either and even if the pick did pan out they wouldn’t be ready for at least a year. Odds are we will be drafting mid 20s and day 1 starter LTs typically have been going top 10 if not top 5 so how much would it have cost us to jump up from mid 20s to top 10 or 5? I promise you it would have been at least what we paid for Tunsil if we found a trade partner at all.

    You said yourself, correctly, that our Oline coaching is bad so again how would a drafted rookie help us? At least Tunsil has been in the league long enough that he doesn’t need a Devlin to actually coach him.
     
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    Two first rounders and a second rounder will be on cheap rookie deals for 5 years...on the dolphins.

    They won't cost $20million per year, which is what Tunsil who isn't elite will cost
     
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    Remember when Osweiler had us in a Divisional playoff game against the Patriots? Three balls thrown, should have been TDs, on three separate drives. That OL wasn't much better than the one we have now. As bad a HC/OC/GM as O'Brien is, I think he can get us back there & I believe Watson makes those plays.

    I honestly can't tell you what's happening right now. I don't think this offense built on what they did last week, the week before, or the week before that. I hated watching the game today. But the season is still early. Just gotta keep chopping wood.
     
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    Agreed. We should be doing what the Dolphins are doing.
     
  6. Texecutioner

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    You have no clue where they'd be drafting. You're talking like Watson will get hurt and that he'd have no protection, so that doesn't even make sense. That is more likely a top 10 pick if the protection is that bad. Offensive Line doesn't take forever if you're not taking project players. They'd have an entire off season to evaluate FA's as well and disgruntled players where they could have possibly made trades.

    Suggesting that every pick is a wasted pick is not a rationale thought towards the draft. Might as well skip the whole damn thing if you're going to value early round picks as automatic waste, because the odds on the later rounds are a total roll of the dice for the most part.

    It isn't anything wrong with Tunsil himself, but he's not worth anything close to that period. You can't site another example of where a team did that right before the first game of the season for a LT. It was a Hail Marry throw by a bad HC who just got GM duties at the last second who failed to fix the Oline so he panicked and made a move that is going to haunt this franchise for years.
     
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    I watched the freaking game.

    There were receivers open in the middle of the field. (Again)

    Watson is very slow processing information. How do you coach around that? I'm not defending BOB either, he called a terrible game today. But Watson flat out sucked today. Holding the ball to long and very inaccurate.
     
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    I watched the game too. The slow developing plays and routes suck
     
  9. steelbtexan

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    LOL

    He wasn't holding on to the ball too long and being indecisive?
     
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    He wasn't finding anyone open because no one was
     




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    And you have no clue either yet you are talking like we’ll be able to draft non-project linemen. Hate to tell you this but in that last draft the only Oline guy that wasn’t a project was Williams and jury is still out on him as well. I never said every pick was a waste but you’re talking like the draft is a guaranteed win. You talk about odds on later picks being a roll of the dice we’ll odds on first round picks are a flip of the coin.

    Also love how you talk about how they can coach guys up in a season and evaluate FA while in the same breath talk about how bad our coaching is on Oline. Those things are mutually exclusive, Devlin isn’t going to suddenly become a good coach this draft and BoB has already shown that he’s not replacing him.

    Tunsil was drafted at 13 and only dropped that far because the bong video came out the day before the draft. Before that he was projected top 3 so exactly the kind of rookie we would be hoping to draft and his price tag is pretty close to what it would take to move up and get that rookie because if you think the Texans are drafting top ten when so many teams are damn near, and in Miami’s case are, tanking you’re funny.
     
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    No need to tank, this team has talent. But this seasons moves have made it a lot harder to reach contender status
     
  13. Texecutioner

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    On top of what Kdog just said
    You can live with all these defenses of OB all you want, but I'm one that is already laughing. This wasn't a SB team to begin with and none of those recent moves made it one. It isn't that they lost their ability to pick. They lost their ability to trade those valuable picks for much wider and stronger value. OB hasn't been known for making strong judgement in really any phase of the team at this point, so I'm not sure why you're reaching to defend that deal so hard. Their Oline is still bad.
     
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    With right tackle Howard being replaced with Roderick Johnson we still do not have an offensive line that has played together more than one game. Is that much to hang my hat on? Probably not but it's all I've got. Not sure I understand how Watson staying after the game to throw a ball is making him any better for live game action. There's a lot wrong with this team. In my opinion in this game we took a step backwards.
     
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    There was receivers open in the middle of the field.
     
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    No there weren't
     
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    Dude you weren't watching the game then, Akins was open several times. Maybe I noticed this because I was at the game and they didn't show this on TV.
     
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    I think watching from the stands doesn't give laymen a clear picture of who is open
     
  19. steelbtexan

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    I think I can see much more of what's really going on vs what they show you on TV.

    We aren't going to agree and my eyes didn't lie so lets move on.
     
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    If the Panthers defense can do this to our wide receivers and tight ends we are in deep doo-doo for remainder of season. Seemed like Hopkins and Watson were not on the same page.
     
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