A Defense Thread for a change

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  1. Lifetime Oiler/Texan Fan

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    Current defensive depth chart:

    DE-Willams & Weaver....with Babin first of the bench
    DT-Johnson & Maddox...with Zgonina first of the bench
    LB-Ryans, Greenwood, Clark...with Orr, Wong, and hopefully Barber of the bench
    CB-Robinson & Faggins...with McCleon as the nickle
    S-Earl & Brown...with no real backups

    As stated on this board many times, safety is our weakest link. We need to sign or draft a starting strong safety making Earl a high quality back up. I believe that we have done a pretty good job at LB...this positions does need to be relooked at next offseason though. I would really like to upgrade to cornerback position with either a replacement starter for Faggins or least someone brought in to compete for the position. McCleon is a good quality backup. DE and DT could be left as is, but for the sake of talking, I would like to see a better quality pass rushing end to complement Williams and moving Weaver inside. With this move of Weaver, I believe we would have four quality tackle to rotate in to keep fresh. Babin provides good depth at end.
     
  2. amazingandre

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    we need fs and brown can be the back up earl is ok at ss
     
  3. Trap_Star

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    Our secondary needs help....
     
  4. TexansSB07

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    get pressure on QB, we have decent safeties. That is secret can defensive line get consistent pressure on QB to make him hurry his throws, thus taking away deep passes like we got killed with last year
     
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    We dont have a free safety...WE NEED ONE....Landry:drool::dance2: :elmo:
     
  6. Roughnecks

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    It works both ways if they could cover longer than the line has a better chance of getting to QB.
     
  7. Roughnecks

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    I agree the line does not push well enough either.
     
  8. freedoggy77

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    we definitely need LaRon Landry to improve our secondary. with him and D-Rob our defense would be scary
     


  9. Ole Miss Texan

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    I am a big supporter for Landry.

    But whether we select him or not, we will either have to have a new starting FS or a new starting CB to replace faggins.

    we have to have 1...i'm hoping for both maybe.

    We need to draft a FS or CB on the first day. we HAVE to.
     
  10. htownfoozball

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    secondary and pass rush addressed. grab a #2 receiver for AJ.
     
  11. South Texan

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    Looks like some decent seconary guys will be available deep in the draft.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles if you are curious. (After reading through some of these I like Bannister, seems he likes to hit and can cover, nice complement to Dunta.)

    Biggest thing I am trying to decide is if the "experts" are right and we get Levi Brown (LT) with the first pick. Guess they ask Spencer about that the day before the draft.
     
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  12. Spike

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    It is the off-season and I am optimistic. Although I was worried about the defense the first half of last season, I felt like the defense really started to come together at the end of the season, even with Mario playing on a bad tire. I think that if we can plug in a quality starter in the backfield (at either safety or corner), I think our defense could be pretty good.

    Here are a couple of other reasons I think the defense gets better in 2007:

    (1) 2nd Season in the new scheme - Last year we not only started with a new staff, but we had an entirely new scheme. I think the group as a whole had some growing pains, but I think by the end of the season things started to come together. In addition to everyone being more comfortable with the new scheme, we have had a year to let some players go who don't fit this scheme and have brought in other players (and will draft new players) who will fit the scheme we are running.

    (2) The DL will be better - First and foremost, I think (and really, really hope) that Mario makes his impact this year. Clearly, his injury slowed him down at the end of last season, so I am expecting that with a year under his belt and a full off-season to work on his weaknesses, he will be a major force. Second, we shouldn't experience a second year of the injuries that we had on the DL last year. Even without a first day pick, just getting everyone back who was injured last year, should make us better. Finally, if we do pick a defensive back with the first pick, I do think the line gets that short additional time to get to the QB more.

    (3) Better Offense - Our offense last year put our defense in horrible position. If it wasn't a quick three and out, the offense was turning the ball over in the opposing teams territory. I feel like I can count the legitimate, sustained drives that we made all last season on two hands. Our defense spent entirely too much time on the field.
    Maybe I am too optimistic, but the offense has to be better next year than it was last year. Hopefully Carr (or whomever else is playing QB), will average less than one botched snap/ game. At worst, the OL should be as good as last year, and if Spencer comes back and/or we get a first day pick, we should be considerably better. RB should be better with Green and the resurgence of Dayne, so we should be able to maintain drives on a more consistent basis.

    (4) Confidence - Our defense played as good as I have ever seen a Texans D play at the end of last year. The defense kept us in a lot of games last year and started to play with a little bit of a swagger by the end of the season. We also start the year with a legitimate leader in the LB corps, together with quality, veteran depth that LB and DL.

    With the offseason moves we have made to date, I would love to see the first day draft include OT, S and CB. If can upgrade two starting positions on the defense, the defense will be a lot of fun to watch.
     
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  13. Insideop

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    I wish someone would explain to me why we should move a 280 lb. DE, who just came off rotator cuff surgery, inside to be a DT and expect him to be any good? He will be "steamrolled" by 320 lb. O-linemen on running plays. I know they move him inside on obvious passing plays to get a quicker lineup in there with Babin as DE, but moving him inside permanently, I don't think is a good idea.

    The problem, I believe, is Weaver and Mario are suited to play the same position, and originally when we signed Weaver, I think at the time, Mario wasn't even being looked at as a draft possibility. But, I think Kubes (yes, this was Kubes pick) couldn't resist taking him and probably thought he could utilize both Weaver and Mario together in some way on the D-line. Remember, they thought they could play Mario some at DT.

    I agree we another speed rushing DE, like Freeney, but moving Weaver to DT is a bad idea IMO.
     
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  14. The Pencil Neck

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    I'm going to say this and some people will probably freak out at me but...

    I thought we looked damn good with:

    Weaver - <insert DT> - Mario - Babin/Peek

    I know that no one wants Mario on the inside, but when we used this last preseason, Mario really freed up the DE to make plays.
     
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    mike walker isn't that great at all, he plays a whole lot slower than his time. as for our defense, i think we really need another stud in the secondary, whether it be at free safety (we've never had one) or at cornerback (we've only had one)... and i like landry a lot. that being said, if adrian is gone by #8, i would like for us to either take him (landry) or trade down and get some more talent. we've got a lot of holes to fill.
     
  16. NederlandTexan

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    Pressure on the QB and secondary help seem to be the consensus needs for Houston. It's all about where the staff wants to go with the 8th pick, DE Jamaal Anderson or S LaRon Landry. And since our starting safeties are Charlie picks, I think we take Landry.
     
  17. Koolaid Time

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    About as important as who we have on defense is how they are rotated and used.

    This defense has so much situational substitutions wich certian players coming in at specific times.

    Some team running a "good" no huddle offense can trick us up with the wrong players out on the field.
     
  18. amazingandre

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    i think we need both a fs and a cb to start from day one......thats why i like landry in the 1st and hughes in the second.....hughges imo is the best cover corner but his 40 time really hurt him.....but i knew itd be slow.....he is similar to nathan vasher who dropped in the draft due to a slow 40.......then in the third we need jason hill.....a huge dep treat that can really challenge anyone for the number 2 slot.....i think this owuld be the best draft and we can then get kareem brown in the 4th to play dline....even he should be able to start....
     
  19. bckey

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    I'd be happy with Leon Hall or LaRon Landry. But I think cb is more of a need than free safety so I would draft Hall. It is easier and cheaper to find a safety in free agency than it is cb.
     
  20. texas mopar

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    I really think we need a big run stopping DT, somebody thats hard to move out of the way,thats why I've liked Branch but some have said he takes plays off (if thats true no way) but I watched several Michican games last year and was impressed with his push up the middle.
     

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