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Ladyes an gentulmun we have our furst spelling b champun
Public school all-star
Goldensilence
hipster elite
You're right I should've said Jason Babin. I agree though it still bothers me to think that either Capers just totally whiffed on the guy or was there just more to it. I do think it was tough coming from a small school like
Western Michigan and try to transition completely to a 3-4 LBer against NFL talent. He definitely wasn't used to playing in space and it showed. I think just as he was getting somewhat a feel for the position we moved back to a 4-3 in 2006.
He was still more effective in pash rushing that year then Anthony Weaver ever was with 5 sacks in 2006 though. That was as a rush specialist and starting 3 games. Hell even last year as a chief(yeah I had to look that one up) he still almost managed better stats appearing in 7 games and starting 4 managing 31 tackles to Weaver's 45. He also notched 2 sacks. I guess in hindsight we could've done without Weaver and kept Babin and come out far ahead.
Anywho back to Barwin, I know the guy has some serious athleticism and I'm not counting him out at all. I just can't help but be bothered how bad some of the projects on this team have failed especially on the defensive side of the ball. I hope he turns that perception around for me.
Golden
Dont fret (maybe this will help)
Babin= drafted by CC
Barwin= drafted by Smithiak
Barwin is going to help next year and be a star in three years. (injury free)
Dont fret (maybe this will help)
Babin= drafted by CC
Barwin= drafted by Smithiak
Barwin is going to help next year and be a star in three years. (injury free)
Actually, I was just thinking in terms of height/weight/hussle in making the Bulman/Nading comparison. I think they're Vanden Bosch/J.Allen types of guys that never seem to give up on a play. They aren't freakishly strong like Mario or super quick like Freeney but they get it done with hussle. That they happen to both be white is a "so-what" in my mind. Actually, compared to the other DEs, Barwin is a little light. He better be quick.You know I think you are just trying to get a rise out of people so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but it is this type of thinking that really pisses me off. Its freakin reverse discrimination. People automatically assume that the white DE/LB is going to be exactly like the other white DE/LB that we have on our team. The only similarity between Nading/Bulman and Barwin is they are all white guys.
This is the same **** people did when we drafted Barwin and they compared him to Babin.
98 Barwin, Connor*.......6-4 256 Cincinnati 1st
93 Bulman, Tim ..........6-4 267 Boston College 3rd
92 Jamison, Tim* ........6-3 263 Michigan 1st
75 McClover, Stanley ....6-2 260 Auburn 4th
72 Nading, Jesse DE .....6-5 264 Colorado State 2nd
I think our coaching staff is hoping that we find the next Jared Allen out of this bunch.
And you're right, I was just poking at the "we shouldda drafted a RB" crowd. Seems they have more of a point than I gave them credit for. At draft time I understood this was going to be a defense-slanted draft for us and I wasn't all that impressed with the 2009 RB class - and I still ain't - so I wasn't too surprised we didn't draft a RB.
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
I agree with every single player on this list. The only toss up for me is Foster vs. Johnson at RB. I like them both but I am rooting for Foster because I think we could use another big back. Slaton and Moats are smallish and I trust both of them to stay healthy while Brown has talent and size but will in all likelihood breakdown at some point.
barrett
All Pro
I've seen him drop a few gimmies. Chicago I think it was, a sure 3rd down conversion, right on the numbers. I'm not dogging him. He continues to improve. I expect him to be more sure handed this year.
Oh, and Coles is kind of fair skinned so they have that in common. Sort of. He also reminds me of this guy who plays guitar in a band I'm working with. He's kind of fair skinned. I bet he could be a beast in the slot!
badboy
Hall of Fame
Caldwell has started at tackle. http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/caldwell_antoine00.html
Is he an NFL starting LT? No but neither is Butler. Anyone saying Butler was better than Salaam is fooling themselves. I think it was a money for Butler vs keeping a younger cheaper player with some upside. I also think releasing Salaam took a bit of pressure off Brown and told him he had to to it all this year. Brown will eat that up. Again I never said Butler will be cut just is bubble guy.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
You've got to be joking right?
I don't think cutting Salaam took pressure off more as it added it by saying...better show in shape and work on your conditioning you're full time this year. From what I've heard he's responded well.
To be blatantly honest the idea is borderline just dumb. We've pretty much finally have an established roster and you want to go back to holding it together with celophane tape.
I also have to add the love DA gets around here is kind of funny. I mean I think he's an alright receiver but the Welker, Moss, Holmes, and Coles comparisons are just far out of line.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Based on what evidence is Butler a "bubble guy". Kubiak specificly stated that Butler was excellent depth for them last year and that he should've been active more often. Since then, the Texans have cut their only other proven tackle without adding any talent at the position. So, other than throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks, what is the basis for your assertion that Butler is on the bubble?
barrett
All Pro
Dale,
Aren't you going to attack him for saying something positive (or at least not negative) about Ephriam?
I mean this guy seems to think that Butler isn't better than Salaam. Doesn't that make you really really REALLY upset? Dale? is everything okay over there?
By the way, I've rewatched many games from last year and Salaam struggled frequently. Butler doesn't have the game film to be as accurate with our opinions of him but from what I did see in preseason last year he seemed to have more ability than Salaam does now. If anything I would expect Ephriam to be worse this year than he was last year just like he was worse last year than the year before. He's on the way down. Butler should get better. And is already better than Salaam was by years end.
Aren't you going to attack him for saying something positive (or at least not negative) about Ephriam?
I mean this guy seems to think that Butler isn't better than Salaam. Doesn't that make you really really REALLY upset? Dale? is everything okay over there?
By the way, I've rewatched many games from last year and Salaam struggled frequently. Butler doesn't have the game film to be as accurate with our opinions of him but from what I did see in preseason last year he seemed to have more ability than Salaam does now. If anything I would expect Ephriam to be worse this year than he was last year just like he was worse last year than the year before. He's on the way down. Butler should get better. And is already better than Salaam was by years end.
distant_texans_fan
Practice Squad
QB - Schaub / Orlovsky / Grossman - 3
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Leach / Grigsby - 6
WR - Johnson / Walter / Anderson / Davis / Jones - 5
TE - Daniels / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Studdard / Caldwell / White / Butler - 9
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Nading - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Cody / Okam - 4
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June - 6
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / McCain / Quin - 6
S - Ferguson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan / Wilson - 5
K - Brown / Turk - 2
=53. Although I do feel it is a little light on WR and heavy on TE's. I would have liked to have Bulman, as well as possibly TJ (
I said possibly, don't shoot me!) and dropped a CB & S. But which WR would beat out Hill or Casey? and Who in the secondary could I drop?
QB - Schaub / Orlovsky / Grossman - 3
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Leach / Grigsby - 6
WR - Johnson / Walter / Anderson / Davis / Jones - 5
TE - Daniels / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Studdard / Caldwell / White / Butler - 9
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Nading - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Cody / Okam - 4
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June - 6
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / McCain / Quin - 6
S - Ferguson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan / Wilson - 5
K - Brown / Turk - 2
=53. Although I do feel it is a little light on WR and heavy on TE's. I would have liked to have Bulman, as well as possibly TJ (
I nominate Harrison.
When you think about it, do we really need FIVE safeties?
And I agree, having only 5 WRs seems a little thin for an offense like ours. Maybe D. Jenkins eeks his way on the squad as a special teamer and 6th WR.
They're (Harrison and Jenkins) both probably bubble guys so whoever shows Coach Joe M. they can make noise on S/T will probably stick.
I've read most of the post here and have seen the roster predictions and I see a little problem with most, if not all. They seem to have forgotten the Long Snapper! Who will it be? 
Clark Harris is listed as the Texans LS, and if I recall, he was the one they picked up last year when Pittman got suspended. I guess the question is, will Kubes go with a proven LS in Harris or will he try "Thor" or maybe Dreessen? My guess is they stick with the proven veteran which means someone else gets cut at another spot. 
Now, having said that, I think most of the "backup" spots will depend on whether or not a player is good at Special Teams. That's why I think Chaun Thompson is more likely to stay than Cato June, and Grigsby is more likely to stay than a 4th RB. JMHO!
Clark Harris is listed as the Texans LS, and if I recall, he was the one they picked up last year when Pittman got suspended. I guess the question is, will Kubes go with a proven LS in Harris or will he try "Thor" or maybe Dreessen? My guess is they stick with the proven veteran which means someone else gets cut at another spot. Now, having said that, I think most of the "backup" spots will depend on whether or not a player is good at Special Teams. That's why I think Chaun Thompson is more likely to stay than Cato June, and Grigsby is more likely to stay than a 4th RB. JMHO!
V3rm0nt3r
Rookie
I've read most of the post here and have seen the roster predictions and I see a little problem with most, if not all. They seem to have forgotten the Long Snapper! Who will it be?
Now, having said that, I think most of the "backup" spots will depend on whether or not a player is good at Special Teams. That's why I think Chaun Thompson is more likely to stay than Cato June, and Grigsby is more likely to stay than a 4th RB. JMHO!
im not sold on the fact that Kubes nor Marciano NEEDS a LS. it's just that Kubiak was intent on developing talent as fast as he could so the lookout for a TE/LS or some other hybrid was put on hold. however, i believe that this time has kind of ended. for example, i remember how Zonina (i didn't even try on that spelling) and Dressen were tried out last TC but neither was really said to be anything special and nobody really argued that the 53rd spot went to the LS and the old guy was set as backup until Pittman doped up. that was when Harris was brought in and did a good job.
one other thing is that he isn't REALLY a veteran... i mean i know its a young team but wasn't those his first four games last year in the NFL? and now we have semi viable second option in either Casey or Dressen who both have "expieriance" (kind of) at this position.
SteveSlaton20
Rookie
Qb-Schaub/Grossman/Dano-3
RB-Slaton/JJohnson/Moats-3
FB-Leech/Grigsby-2
WR-Johnson/Walter/Anderson/JJones/Davis/MJones-6
TE-Daniels/Casey/Hill/Dreessen-4
OL-Myers/Caldwell/Pitts/Brisiel/Studdard/Brown/Winston/Watkins/Butler-9
DE-Williams/Smith/Barwin/Bulman-4
DT-Johnson/Okoye/Robinson/Okam-4
LB-Cushing/DeMeco/Adibi/Bentley/June/Diles-6
CB-Robinson/Reeves/Bennett/Quin/McCain-5
S-Ferguson/Barber/Nolan/Wilson/Harrison-5
K/P-Brown/Turk-2
RB-Slaton/JJohnson/Moats-3
FB-Leech/Grigsby-2
WR-Johnson/Walter/Anderson/JJones/Davis/MJones-6
TE-Daniels/Casey/Hill/Dreessen-4
OL-Myers/Caldwell/Pitts/Brisiel/Studdard/Brown/Winston/Watkins/Butler-9
DE-Williams/Smith/Barwin/Bulman-4
DT-Johnson/Okoye/Robinson/Okam-4
LB-Cushing/DeMeco/Adibi/Bentley/June/Diles-6
CB-Robinson/Reeves/Bennett/Quin/McCain-5
S-Ferguson/Barber/Nolan/Wilson/Harrison-5
K/P-Brown/Turk-2
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I've read most of the post here and have seen the roster predictions and I see a little problem with most, if not all. They seem to have forgotten the Long Snapper! Who will it be?
Now, having said that, I think most of the "backup" spots will depend on whether or not a player is good at Special Teams. That's why I think Chaun Thompson is more likely to stay than Cato June, and Grigsby is more likely to stay than a 4th RB. JMHO!
If they are serious about running a 4-3 under and having Cushing playing up on the TE on the strong side quite a bit, then Thompson should at least get a fair opportunity to make the team since he is the only LB on the team with similar size and skill set. I'm guessing Bentley would backup at SLB if Thompson doesn't make the team and I don't think Bentley really fits that position. On the other hand, I'm happy with Diles and Adibi both fitting in at WLB.
TimeKiller
Guest
QB Schaub, Orlovsky, Grossman - 3
RB Slaton, Foster, Moats - 3
FB Leach, Grigsby - 2
TE Daniels, Dressen, Casey, Hill - 4
WR Johnson, Walter, Anderson, Davis, Jones - 5
OL Brown, Pitts, Myers, Brisiel, Winston, Caldwell, Butler, White - 8
DE Williams, Smith, Bulman, Barwin, McGlover - 5
DT Okoye, Deljuan, Okam, Cody - 4
LB Ryans, Cushing, Adibi, Diles, Bentley, Thompson, June - 7
CB Robinson, Reeves, Bennett, Quin, Molden - 5
S Wilson, Barber, Ferguson, Nolan - 4
K Brown
P Turk
I think LS ends up in the hands of a non-specialist. Mostly this is what I think but I went ahead and kept Grossman even though I think his game is crap and Kubiak just wants a 3rd QB. No Studdard. Hopefully Johnson, McCain will be able to slip to the JV Squad. Johnson on PUP in light of his recent surgery. Give others the chance to step up and maybe sends him that final warning. No Harrison. No Chris Brown.
RB Slaton, Foster, Moats - 3
FB Leach, Grigsby - 2
TE Daniels, Dressen, Casey, Hill - 4
WR Johnson, Walter, Anderson, Davis, Jones - 5
OL Brown, Pitts, Myers, Brisiel, Winston, Caldwell, Butler, White - 8
DE Williams, Smith, Bulman, Barwin, McGlover - 5
DT Okoye, Deljuan, Okam, Cody - 4
LB Ryans, Cushing, Adibi, Diles, Bentley, Thompson, June - 7
CB Robinson, Reeves, Bennett, Quin, Molden - 5
S Wilson, Barber, Ferguson, Nolan - 4
K Brown
P Turk
I think LS ends up in the hands of a non-specialist. Mostly this is what I think but I went ahead and kept Grossman even though I think his game is crap and Kubiak just wants a 3rd QB. No Studdard. Hopefully Johnson, McCain will be able to slip to the JV Squad. Johnson on PUP in light of his recent surgery. Give others the chance to step up and maybe sends him that final warning. No Harrison. No Chris Brown.
V3rm0nt3r
Rookie
QB Schaub Grossman Dan O-3
RB Slaton Brown Moates Foster-4
FB Leach Grigsby-2
WR AJ KW DA AD JJ-5
OL Brown Pitts Meyers Briesel Winston Butler Caldwell White-8
DE Mario Smith Barwin Bulman 4
DT Okoye TJ Robinson Cody Okam 5
LB Demeco Adibi Cush Bentley Diles Thompson 6
CB DRob Reeves Quin Bennett Molden 5
S Barber Wilson Ferguson Nolan 4
K/P Brown and Turk 2
thats 48. those are the players who i strongly believe will make this team. other players who are maybes in my book are Darnell Jenkins (JJ hasn't shown much when it comes to producing on offense) McCain (valuable STer) AJ Davis and Matteral Richardson (both fairly hyped CBs) Harrison as well as Cato June.
RB Slaton Brown Moates Foster-4
FB Leach Grigsby-2
WR AJ KW DA AD JJ-5
OL Brown Pitts Meyers Briesel Winston Butler Caldwell White-8
DE Mario Smith Barwin Bulman 4
DT Okoye TJ Robinson Cody Okam 5
LB Demeco Adibi Cush Bentley Diles Thompson 6
CB DRob Reeves Quin Bennett Molden 5
S Barber Wilson Ferguson Nolan 4
K/P Brown and Turk 2
thats 48. those are the players who i strongly believe will make this team. other players who are maybes in my book are Darnell Jenkins (JJ hasn't shown much when it comes to producing on offense) McCain (valuable STer) AJ Davis and Matteral Richardson (both fairly hyped CBs) Harrison as well as Cato June.
Houston_Breed
Practice Squad
QB - Schaub / DanO / Grossman - 3
WR - AJ / Walter / AD / Anderson / Jones - 5
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Leach - 5
TE - OD / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Caldwell / White / Butler - 8
K - Brown / Turk - 2
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Bulman - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Johnson / Codey / Okam - 5
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June - 6
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / Quin / McCain - 6
S - Ferguson / Wilson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan - 5
This is a prove-it year for TJ and Frank Okam because of the fact that TJ is under producing per his draft position and Okam because of weight. This will be Ferguson's last year as safety because of age though his production has been above reproach. Foster and JJohn are interchangeable the other will make the PS. Studdard is useless with the versatility that Caldwell brings he will be a PS guy as well. Grigsby will be gone because both Casey and Hill have shown flashes of being a solid FB even though they are TEs
WR - AJ / Walter / AD / Anderson / Jones - 5
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Leach - 5
TE - OD / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Caldwell / White / Butler - 8
K - Brown / Turk - 2
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Bulman - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Johnson / Codey / Okam - 5
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June - 6
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / Quin / McCain - 6
S - Ferguson / Wilson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan - 5
This is a prove-it year for TJ and Frank Okam because of the fact that TJ is under producing per his draft position and Okam because of weight. This will be Ferguson's last year as safety because of age though his production has been above reproach. Foster and JJohn are interchangeable the other will make the PS. Studdard is useless with the versatility that Caldwell brings he will be a PS guy as well. Grigsby will be gone because both Casey and Hill have shown flashes of being a solid FB even though they are TEs