2019 Training Camp

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  1. Mangler

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    More like industrial soap with extra pumice for deeper exfoliating!
     
  2. CWTexansFan

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    Mmmkay



    Edited for less clarity
     
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    No, he and BoB are not "aligned" so he shouldn't be fired anytime soon.
     
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    Bill O'Brien "he's had a really good camp" on Matt Kalil. "I think he's had a very consistent camp." #Texans

    — Anthony Wood (@arwoodNFL) August 14, 2019


    O’Brien said he is unaware of all the trade speculation surrounding Clowney.

    — Brian T. Smith (@ChronBrianSmith) August 14, 2019
     
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    1 of my big gripes with BoB is how he tries to act like he's so tuned out to whats going on around him. With him being part of the de facto GM crew, him saying he's "unaware" of all the trade speculation is just disingenious.
     
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    You don’t think it IS because of his de facto GM crew status that he is dismissive? If by any chance they are working on a deal he could wreck it especially if a team is mentioned. Rumors are already out there so no pot needs to be stirred....and whatever the situation is would it be fair to Clowney to discuss it?
     
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    Agreed, this had some legs on it when we had a GM and in particular when him and the Gm were fighting but now it just makes him sound like he is as much an idiot as some on here say. You know whats going on Bill, we know you know whats going on Bill, why don't you know that we know that you know Bill.

    There are better ways to do it. You can say "I can't talk about internal discussions" or 'I can neither confirm or deny any rumors" or one of my favorites "All I can say is we are doing everything we can for our organization, our players and above all our fans to put the best product on the field we possibly can."

    I still remember Elway after we snatched Osweiler away and he had to sign butt fumble telling Bronc fans that it was just phase one of a plan and that they weren't done yet. Didn't work out so well but he at least reassured the fans.
     
  8. Mr teX

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    I quoted his original post in my post #542..that's not what he originally said, he unsurprisingly wen't back & edited his post either to fit what he meant or for it to fit his narrative. .
     
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    I think I quoted #536 where you quoted #540. Said basically the same thing two different ways.

    No matter the spin, at least for 2018, his points didn't have merit.

    BTW, I did also check the Texans D causing turnovers in the opponents RZ. They did it 5 times in 2018, with the offense scoring 4 TD's and 1 FG on the next series. And there were three Defensive TD's. Which proves that we have a good defense.

    So if we are going to play this game of having scoring stats for all three segments of the team, and giving the defense a pass on the Texans TO's in the RZ and giving them the credit for creating TO's in opponent RZ's (I think this covers every possible scenario where the defense gets the benefit of credit but none of the blame):

    Texans Offense: 402 points scored on the season - 0 Special Team points - 24 Defense RZ TO points - 21 Defense TD points - demerit for 24 Offense RZ TO points = 20.8 net points scored per game making them the #23 scoring offense.

    Texans Defense: 316 points allowed on the season - 24 Offense RZ TO points + credit for 21 Defense TD points + credit for 24 Defense RZ TO points = 15.4 net points allowed per game making them the #1 scoring defense by far.

    I'm going to go take a nap now after all of these mental gymnastics...
     
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    Appreciate your input Sandman. Have a nice nap..lol.
     


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    I broke down games in previous posts, like the KC playoff game, the NE playoff game, and the Philly game last year where the special teams and offense were at fault for a bunch of points given up.

    The defense has often played well with the offense and special teams screwing up. Those are just 3 examples off the top of my head.

    Football outsiders and PFF take stuff like that into account which is why they both rank the defense high (and the offense low)
     
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    against the chiefs:
    -the chiefs scored on special teams on the opening kickoff
    -hoyer INT in the Texans red area was followed by a Texans defensive interception
    -hoyer fumbled and chiefs drove 27 yards for a field goal
    -texans had a 5 play, 11 yard drive which was followed by a 40 yard drive and field goal by the chiefs
    -the Texans ended the first half with two more interceptions, after which the defense forced the chiefs into punts
    -in the 3rd, the chiefs had two legitimate long TD drives
    -after another INT on the Texans side, the chiefs drove 6 yards for a field goal.

    I found the defense giving up 14, maybe 17 points attributable to them.

    The Texans offense, as we know, had not even a field goal drive.

    Then Patriots game tells a similar story.

    -the Pats had a legit 65 yard td drive in the first quarter after the texans offense went three and out twice
    -after a Texans FG, the pats return the kickoff for a TD. (Remember it was OBrien who brought in Novak who couldn't get touchbacks)
    -Bouye intercepts Brady in the pats side of the field, and the Texans, already in field goal range, kick a field goal
    -the pats fumble on the ensuing kickoff and the Texans get a 12 yard td drive
    -the pats end the half with a 66 yard field goal drive
    -second half, pats first drive goes three and out and their second is a legit 90 yard TD drive
    -the Texans throw an INT in the Texans red area (sound familiar?) and the pats score on a 6 yard TD drive
    -the pats tack on another FG on a 43 yard drive

    The Texans offense had one scoring drive of over 20 yards the entire game. They were practically shut out.

    I count 20 points for the Pats attributable to the Texans d. The rest were due to the offense and special teams and OBriens coaching


    This is basically how it is a lot of the time. The defense has to get out of bad positions the offense puts them in
     
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    So you are talking about a 2015 playoff game where Brian Freaking Hoyer had a HISTORICALLY bad performance and a 2016 playoff game with Brock (Is he even still in the league) Osweiller against the Super Bowl Champions.

    Granted, I get that the playoffs are important, and OB's teams haven't really shown that they respond well in the playoffs.

    But I pointed out in the entire 2018 season where there were four situations where the offense or special teams put the defense in a bind, according to your definitions. And only one of those four situations was in a loss.

    So no, it is not a lot of the time as you continually assert. You're just beating the dead horse of a few games that occurred before Watson was drafted.
     
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    Any news out of today’s training camp?
     
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    I just want to point this out about the Philly game last year.

    Texans Drives and PHI field position on ensuing drive:
    1. Punt - PHI starts on own 23 (77 yard TD drive)
    2. Field Goal - PHI starts at own 24
    3. Punt - PHI starts on own 10
    4. TD - Touchback, PHI starts on own 25 (75 yard TD drive)
    5. TD - Touchback, PHI starts on own 25
    2nd Half Kickoff - PHI starts on own 21
    6. Punt - PHI starts on own 12 (59 yard FG drive)
    7. Punt - PHI starts on own 17 (83 yard TD drive on one play)
    8. Fumble - PHI starts on TEX 44 (44 yard TD drive)
    9. Downs - PHI starts on own 24
    10. TD - PHI starts on own 45 (PHI punts)
    11. TD - PHI starts on own 11 (77 yard FG drive in 90 seconds)

    Outside of two drives, all of Philly's drives started within their own 25.
    Texans special teams only punted 4 times, with all being downed within the Philly 25.
    Texans special teams kicked off 6 times, with only one getting past the Philly 25.
    Texans offense only had one turnover, with it barely being past midfield.

    But the Texans defense gave up FOUR scoring drives of 75+ yards.

    I'm struggling to understand where the Texans offense and special teams are at fault for a bunch of points given up. I'm also struggling to understand how a defense that gave up 4 very long scoring drives is considered to have played well. I'm using the game you hand-picked as an example.
     
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    Weird how bill OBrien just unluckily has historically bad offensive performances in the playoffs.

    Just bad luck I guess.

    Also, the offense was #1 in field position thanks to the defense and special teams
     
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    I see we've got a numbers guy that probably hasn't played much if any football.
     
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    On one of the TD drives, the eagles started in Texans territory because Watson was sacked and fumbled.


    O'Brien also inexplicably went for it on 4th and 9 in the 4th quarter in long field goal range (the Texans were up 29-16 and ended up losing by 3). You either kick the fg or punt there.

    The eagles were also something like 4-4 going for it on 4th down and converted a couple of 3rd and longs on the last drive. That's not really a defense of the defense but also showed there was some bad luck involved (as well as an imploding secondary).

    The Texans defense also caused an eagles fumble inside the ten setting up an easy offensive td.

    So no that games not really an example of the defense letting down the offense
     

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