Man I would hate that but we have to bring in someone with game experience and there just isn't much out there. If we do bring him in I prey we still do our best to move up and get one n of the top 3 guys.
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Man I would hate that but we have to bring in someone with game experience and there just isn't much out there. If we do bring him in I prey we still do our best to move up and get one n of the top 3 guys.
If we sign a high dollar vet, no chance we give up draft picks to move up and select another QB. We may draft one, but it won't be in the first and maybe not the 2nd
ChampionTexan
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Agreed!
I think one thing that may surprise a few people is how much the early FA signings are going to cost teams. Right now, Over The Cap has the Texans listed as having almost $43 Million in cap space, and that only puts them at 10th on their list of cap space by team. There's lots of money out there to be spent, and if you and I know it, so do the players and their agents.
Yeah, I heard it reported that over a billion dollars in cap space this year. Agents are gonna drive very hard bargains early
michaelm
vox nihili
This kind of ability is why I want Lamar Miller. As Gruden says, "you can't coach that!".
dalemurphy
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This is the nature of the importance/value of an NFL QB- Other than being very patience or very lucky, you must overpay and incur risk to get a QB, whether that is in the draft, via trade, or in free agency.
infantrycak
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People always say "overpay." By what definition? It's what the market bears.
The Pencil Neck
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For me, "overpay" the way most people use it is a lot like a "reach" in the draft. The "pundits" have a contract in mind that they think a guy should get or they have a spot in the draft where they think he should go, but if a team doesn't pay what the pundits think they should, or draft a guy where the pundits think he should have been drafted doesn't mean that the team was wrong to pay that or draft there, it just means the pundits were wrong, and are now going to continue to be wrong at the top of their lungs.
I understand the "what the market bears" definition. At the same time, when you've got a guy who's never won a play off game (Tannehill, Dalton) being paid as much as a top 10 QB... Bradford is a better example, he's being over paid imo.
Inflation... Supply and Demand
The Eagles were worried that the Texans would pay even more, so they did an early deal with Bradford
I didn't say that any were surefire franchise QB's. If we sign a mid level FA, we might still go for one of the top 3 QB's in the draft but not if we pay Big money for a vet. NO unproven is surefire. If they pay Osweiler big money it's because they think he can be. Agree with the premise or not, I don't see them trading mutual 1st rd picks to move up in the draft plus pay big money for a placeholder
CloakNNNdagger
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I would like to see it also... and they may if Cook drops to 45 or close... but I don't see them moving way up to draft one
srrono
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Put a fork in him he is done
You need to read CnD's post on that subject a page or so back.
I know we need a QB badly but Osweiler had half of a good season, that's not enough to be throwing stupid money at him. I'd rather go all in on a rookie with a friendly salary for 5 yrs. than an unknown commodity in Osweiler.
Schaub played less before we gave up two 2nd & a starter's contract.
We won't be giving up any draft picks to get him.
However, I don't think we have a chance at getting him. Denver just won the Super Bowl & they seem pretty serious about wanting him. If anything, he'll just use us to get Denver to up the ante.
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LZ also says that Osweiler shares a lot of traits and abilities with Lynch. Basically getting Lynch but without the use of a draft pick.
The Pencil Neck
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OK, so, on one side we have the QBs that were brought in specifically for OB: Fitzpatrick (6-6), Mallett (2-4), Hoyer (4-5), Weeden (1-0), Daniels.
On the other side, we have QBs who had a connection with the Texans during the Kubiak era: Keenum (2-0), Yates (2-0).
So, with his "own" guys, OB is 13-15, but with Kubiak's guys, OB is 4-0.
Osweiler has had a year under Kubiak.
On the other side, we have QBs who had a connection with the Texans during the Kubiak era: Keenum (2-0), Yates (2-0).
So, with his "own" guys, OB is 13-15, but with Kubiak's guys, OB is 4-0.
Osweiler has had a year under Kubiak.
CloakNNNdagger
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As strong an arm Osweiler has, I don't believe he had a pass beyond 15 yds, and I believe his completion rate for passes beyond 10 yds was ~40%. When outside the 20s where he could dink and dunk, but once inside the red zone..............
infantrycak
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As strong an arm Osweiler has, I don't believe he had a pass beyond 15 yds, and I believe his completion rate for passes beyond 10 yds was ~40%. When outside the 20s where he could dink and dunk, but once inside the red zone..............
You sure about that? Classic Kubiak play:
Yeah you have to click thru to view it on youtube.
CloakNNNdagger
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Nice play. Missed that play.............but he threw from the 35 and it was caught at the 35...........actually a 78 yd TD play...........but only a 30 yd pass.
[EDIT: I see how I missed.....because it was in preseason......the last preseason game, when mostly scrubs are in]
[EDIT: The link you posted for the video was blocked supposedly by the NFL, but found this one
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-...1302/Can-t-Miss-Play-Brock-Osweiler-goes-deep ]
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Actually he threw it from the 17 and it was caught on the 34...
Marshall
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The market sets the price. If the value of the player to your team's success is below market price, then you are overpaying. The price is based on expectation, but the value is based on performance.
CloakNNNdagger
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You are correct...........your wide angle contacts must come in handy!
my OCD made me say something...
Marshall
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...and to be fair, the receiver had to wait on the ball.You are correct...........your wide angle contacts must come in handy!
CloakNNNdagger
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Wrong thread
Just because a woman has boobs and blonde hair don't make her Kate Upton.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kate+upton&biw=1280&bih=969&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjg-fffianLAhVlyYMKHdmPC8cQiR4ImgE&dpr=1#imgrc=z7GjfNQ9Vxzu7M:
It won't cost you a draft pick to get Osweiler, but it will cost you 5-6 times as much money as a rookie and it could be an anchor around your neck. When possible draft the expensive positions on the roster and sign FA's for depth and/or to fill the less expensive roster spots. Stretch that money.
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& thanks to Kubiak, that receiver was able to stop running, pick up a jog, locate the ball, wait on it, & still be WTF open.
CloakNNNdagger
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Again, all while the final preseason Arizona D scrubs watched in awe.......
srrono
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You have to spend money some where I would rather spend on young QB with upside. Then you can draft for other needs DL-WR-TE-S-CB-ILB-RB there are a lot of needs. Plus Osweiler has had time to learn with a clip board.
The Pencil Neck
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I HATE the way that throw looked. That player was wide freaking open but he had to stop and wait for the ball to get to him. Before he came to the Texans when I was looking at Hoyer's Brown's highlights, he was doing the same thing. He was never hitting a guy in stride.
CloakNNNdagger
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One major criticism of Osweiler in general is that he does not lead receivers and hit them in stride.
CloakNNNdagger
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The Broncos have not asked Manning to take a physical......he's gone. A report has come out that they have offered Osweiler somewhere more than Foles' $12.27 million, with no mention of length of proposed contract............contract negotiations are reportedly not going that well.
CloakNNNdagger
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[EDIT: Note that the $45 million figure includes incentives............we don't yet know what portion is guaranteed, and which of the incentives are reasonably expected to be reached. I have an idea that Elway is not giving away the farm with what he has seen from Osweiler up to now......and that is why Osweiler has not automatically signed]
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Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 3h3 hours ago
Broncos offer to Osweiler: 3 years, more than $45 million http://www.9news.com/sports/broncos-offer-to-osweiler-3-years-more-than-45-million/69607526…
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 3h3 hours ago
Tell you right now, for an absolute fact, the #Broncos offer to Osweiler wont be the highest he receives
theprophecy005 @theprophecy005 3h3 hours ago
@AllbrightNFL Who do you think will be in on him?
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 3h3 hours ago
@theprophecy005 I know the Texans are
Broncos offer to Osweiler: 3 years, more than $45 million http://www.9news.com/sports/broncos-offer-to-osweiler-3-years-more-than-45-million/69607526…
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 3h3 hours ago
Tell you right now, for an absolute fact, the #Broncos offer to Osweiler wont be the highest he receives
theprophecy005 @theprophecy005 3h3 hours ago
@AllbrightNFL Who do you think will be in on him?
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 3h3 hours ago
@theprophecy005 I know the Texans are
infantrycak
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Has Ben previously had inside knowledge on the Texans?
Well back in July he did report that the Broncos tried to trade Manning to the Texans... he's a radio host for Denver and was quoted by Florio so I'm sure he's in the know for everything Texans
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So how high would you go to get him?
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He has been adamant about this for weeks now.
infantrycak
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But is he adamantly talking out his rear?
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Dont know but its out there the Texans contacted the Broncos last year about Osweilers availability
Plenty of smoke