2008 Salary Cap Figures

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  1. PHAROAH

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    The Texans are in decent shape in regards to the cap but if we could get rid off Dead weight such as Anthony Weaver & Ahman Green we could open more money to sign guys who could come in and help immediately.



    Projected 2008 NFL Salary Cap Space for Each Team

    Rank Team $ Under the Cap
    1 San Diego Chargers $43.03 M
    There are currently 44 players under contract.
    2 Tennessee Titans $40.85 M
    There are currently 39 players under contract.
    3 Miami Dolphins $35.56 M
    There are currently 48 players under contract.
    4 Jacksonville Jaguars $32.69 M
    There are currently 43 players under contract.
    5 Buffalo Bills $32.05 M
    There are currently 49 players under contract.
    6 New Orleans Saints $31.69 M
    There are currently 39 players under contract.
    7 Cincinnati Bengals $31.45 M
    There are currently 48 players under contract.
    8 San Francisco 49ers $30.91 M
    There are currently 48 players under contract.
    9 Cleveland Browns $30.31 M
    There are currently 42 players under contract.
    10 Arizona Cardinals $30.27 M
    There are currently 34 players under contract.
    11 NY Jets $27.72 M
    There are currently 45 players under contract.
    12 Oakland Raiders $25.98 M
    There are currently 40 players under contract.
    13 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $25.9 M
    There are currently 48 players under contract.
    14 NY Giants $24.47 M
    There are currently 49 players under contract.
    15 Detroit Lions $23.5 M
    There are currently 42 players under contract.
    16 Houston Texans $22.91 M
    There are currently 43 players under contract.
    17 Dallas Cowboys $20.61 M
    There are currently 40 players under contract.
    18 Kansas City Chiefs $20.27 M
    There are currently 44 players under contract.
    19 Chicago Bears $19.8 M
    There are currently 52 players under contract.
    20 Pittsburgh Steelers $18.61 M
    There are currently 43 players under contract.
    21 Green Bay Packers $18.37 M
    There are currently 48 players under contract.
    22 Philadelphia Eagles $17.17 M
    There are currently 49 players under contract.
    23 Denver Broncos $16.77 M
    There are currently 49 players under contract.
    24 Minnesota Vikings $14.88 M
    There are currently 49 players under contract.
    25 New England Patriots $10.93 M
    There are currently 41 players under contract.
    26 St. Louis Rams $9.61 M
    There are currently 45 players under contract.
    27 Seattle Seahawks $9.55 M
    There are currently 44 players under contract.
    28 Indianapolis Colts $8.49 M
    There are currently 48 players under contract.
    29 Carolina Panthers $6.05 M
    There are currently 35 players under contract.
    30 Atlanta Falcons $5.79 M
    There are currently 52 players under contract.
    31 Baltimore Ravens $5 M
    There are currently 42 players under contract.
    32 Washington Redskins $-20.72 M
    There are currently 45 players under contract.


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  2. infantrycak

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    I prefer Keith at Houstonprofootball.com. I and many others think he is much more accurate.http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap2008.html
    As you can see from his projection, Texans have just over $35million that might be effected some by a bonus move on Mario Williams.C:\Documents and Settings\debtuser.SERVER\Desktop\Re Texans cap.htm I am not sure if the email exchange will show if not I will provide in another post. We can affer a contract with zero bonus (Mario's deal) with a significant guarantee and back load like Nate Clemments. We could for example sign Samuel CB and Lance Briggs OLB for 80 million each for 8 years. Guarantee three years and adjust bonus and first year salary too avoid huge cap hit. It is risky to give large guarantees but that may be a way in the future to decrease bonus. I think both players I mentioned are money in the bank.
     
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    C:\Documents and Settings\debtuser.SERVER\Desktop\Re Texans cap.htm
     
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    Keith also has only 36 players currently under contract, as opposed to the 43 that askthecommish projects. That probably reflects the lion's share of the difference in cap estimates. And I'm fairly certain that Keith is correct in his estimates on players under contract and cap hits.
     
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    I think he is only missing the signing of the 7 at the very beginning of the year

    http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4118

    I bet the most significant difference is the way Keith is handling the $12MM option bonus for Mario that he is referencing on his page.

    We probably also have a forwarded adjustment (probably relatively small) coming from last year's cap via not likely to be earned incentives.
     


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    No sheet. Is this befor or after Mario's money kicks in ?
     
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    Mario situation is pretty complex. Thought I kept that email also but can't find it. Bascially, Texans can offer a cash bonus ($12m)prior to 2008 season and add another year (2011) to Mario's contract and significantly lower his base salary. Mario then has the right to void the last two years. If that happens, Texans can buy the two back for an agreed amount. I think the $21 million cap room that has been mentioned on various links is taking the $35m and subtracting the entire $12m bonus to Mario. It is important to note that the bonus can be pro rated across the entire contract.
     
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    I wasn't saying that ask the commish was better than what keith projected I was just trying to find out how much cap spce we are working with and share it with everyone. I think it's good to know that you guys know that we have more cap space available because I wasn't aware of it. Thanks
     
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    Now we defeinately have to do something about these guys because some of them are absolutely stealing money and we have to cut ties and put some of this money to use on other players.


    Player Name Signed Thru Base Salary Allocated Bonus Pay Total 2008 Cap
    Weaver, Anthony 2010 $3,500,000 $ 2,700,000 $6,200,000
    Faggins, Demarcus 2008 $1,275,000 $425,000 $1,700,000
    Green, Ahman 2010 $3,800,000 $1,250,000 $5,050,000
    Putzier, Jeb 2009 $1,750,000 $462,500 $2,203,750
    Black, Jordan 2008 $1,300,000 $900,000 $2,200,000
     
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    Sack Weaver and Putzier. Keep the rest.
     
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    Wow. So if we cut a player, do we have to pay his allocated bonus (for all remaining years) but we WON'T have to pay his salary?

    If that's the case I agree with Weaver and Putzier but I'd throw in Jordan Black as well. Not that our LT spot is strong but I think we got some young talent, we'll be looking for LT in the draft and Gibbs can do his thing not having to pay THAT much. Weaver's 2.7 mill might be a lot to eat up but so is his 3.5 I think Putz and Black have got to go strictly looking at this.
     
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    Pray tell how exactly do you offer significant guarantees over three seasons on an 80 million total value contract - even if it's a phony 80 million and heavily backloaded - but still avoid a huge cap hit at some point in the term?

    This is exactly what the Texans are not going to do btw... I would be highly pissed if they did. The only thing guaranteed with FA contracts like that is that they almost never pan out in favor of the team.
     
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    This is not an answer to your question, but passing along an interesting structure. When Nate Clements was signed he did not get a signing bonus, but a $10 mil roster bonus the 1st year and then a $10 mil bonus his second year. Doesn't avoid a huge cap hit (it is just at the front end) but it does allow the team after the first couple years to cut him at almost any time with no cap consequences at that time.

    Hopefully they don't no matter how sexy it seems to many fans. I'd rather see the Texans go after upgrades that are the 2nd tiered FA's at their positions--solid upgrades with non-break the bank contracts.
     
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    That's my point. It can't be avoided on contracts like that.

    If the 10 million in the second year is an option bonus, that means it's prorated over the remaining term and will be hanging over their heads as potential acceleration/dead money when the time comes to cut him ... just like Schaub's bonus next year.
     
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    seeing the most talented team (SD) have the most cap made me cry a little inside :(

    and how the hell do teams that spend big in FA and have high draft picks every yr (SF and CLE) have so much cap room?!!
     
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    I agree it has to be taken somewhere.

    Sorry, my bad--the 2nd year bonus is a roster bonus as well. So of $22.6 mil in guarantees, they will have paid $20 mil in the first two years. Don't know if it was just a function of having the space or structuring it so they can basically void the contract after year two, like when the back end silly years hit, at any time with little cap consequence.

    Antoine Winfield had one of these a couple years ago--$10.8 mil guaranteed, but $10 mil came as a roster bonus one day after signing.
     

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