2007 line-up if we trade up

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  1. Dallas_Texan

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    I know it's a pipe-dream, but can you imagine if we could trade Babin, Greenwood, and Sage with a 4th, and a 2008 2nd. to move up in the draft a little. If so, imagine the Texans with CJ!!!!!!!!

    You have receivers of Johnson and Johnson, Owen Daniels at TE, and get a decent running back in the second, and a FS in the third. Suddenly you have one impressive fricking offense!

    QB - Carr
    WR1 - Andre Johnson
    WR2 - Calvin Johnson
    RB - Ahman Green
    RB2 - Michael Bush
    FB - Vonta Leach
    TE - Owen Daniels
    LT - Spencer
    LG - Pitts
    C - Flanagan
    RG - Winston
    RT - Black

    Defense

    DE - Mario Williams
    DT - TJ
    DT - Znunignangionas
    DE - Weaver
    LB - DEMECO
    LB - Clark
    LB - Barber
    SS - Earl
    FS - Merriweather (or best FS)
    CB - D-Rob
    CB2 - Faggins

    I think with an improved LB corp, putting added pressure on the QB, and Mario playing better, and a FS that's actually good in coverage, Faggins will actually be a decent CB2.

    In 2008 we get a CB in the first, and a DT in the second, and a C in FA.
     
  2. Ole Miss Texan

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    I like your line up but unfortunately i will not participate...lol

    i don't think that trade happens. we will not have all 1st day picks from this year...and michael bush and brandon meriweather are both late 1st/early 2nd rd choices. bush's bum leg and meriweather character concerns are the only reason they would last till mid 2nd at the lates imo.

    if we move up to take CJ it'd have to be to 2 or 3. I'd take CJ over any other player in that situation. we would probably have to get rid of our 2nd or 3rd rounder and a 1st rounder next year. it costs way too much to move up and we can't afford to...we will not trade up.

    With that said...I do like our offense you have a lot!
     
  3. bigbrewster2000

    bigbrewster2000 4th Infantry

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    How are you going to get a DT in the 2nd if you trade that pick away and why would you want to trade away 3 players and 2 furure picks for 1 guy. That is a 4 player swing for a team with 1000 holes. Thus creating even more holes in the process. That would be a terrible idea. NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
     
  4. Dallas_Texan

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    B/c trading those players are no longer needed on our roster, and will free up cap space, and trading CJ (and maybe a future 3rd) for a future 2nd and current 4th is more than worth it.

    How about:
    3rd overall 2007

    for

    8th overall 2007
    3rd rounder 2008

    Cut: Babin.
     
  5. alphajoker

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    Yes it is...keep smoking buddy! :)
     
  6. Ole Miss Texan

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    To get to the 3rd overall pick....we would probably have to give up our 1st and 2nd rders this year and a 2nd rounder next year...maybe more

    Trading our 1st in '07 and 3rd in '08 would get us to MAYBE the 6th overall pick (washington...and probably only to Minnesota at 7). Getting up to the top 3 picks is a very big cost.

    when coming up with trades...reverse your thinking. if we had the 3rd overall would you give it up for a 1st this year and 3rd next? or would you want babin, sage, greenwood...etc? Babin is pretty much a bust, sage has never been a starter, and greenwood is overpaid....i don't think any team would do this to move down that far...
     
  7. Wolf

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    Just going on scouting report, Michael Bush

    main thing is his broken leg.wouldn't/couldn't that push him back? to maybe 3rd round? just curious on if teams would be hesitant to take him
    or is he that good ala willie mcgahee style?
     
  8. Ole Miss Texan

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    Yea I think the leg is the only thing that worries people. A broken leg could be a big problem and it scares me....he's the kinda guy you might take that chance on though...if it heals fine..the guy is going to be such a steal. Doubt he lasts to the 3rd round because some team is going to take him even if he has to sit for a while...NYG could be a good one for him...sitting behind jacobs for a while.

    I really would like to see him run first...any idea of how he's healing??
     


  9. DocBar

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    Wouldn't the rest of the scouting report keep him from going the 1st day? Magahee went from top 2 to mid 20's because of a DESTROYED knee. This guy just doesn't seem like he's going til day 2. If he does go day 1, I hope we passed on him.
     
  10. Ole Miss Texan

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    So you think Michael Bush isn't going to get drafted until the 4th round or further?
     
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    I dunno. I really don't know a lot about him. I was merely commenting on the entire scouting report that was posted. There were a lot of negatives that would make me pause, such as durability concerns, running style, limited big play potential. Based on that would YOU draft him on the 1st day? Don't be a homer when you answer:)
    Try to be objective and think of how he would perform with the big boys.
     
  12. supertruck97

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    Draft Value Chart:

    http://www.gbnreport.com/tradevaluetable.html

    #3 Pick Value: 2200
    #8 Pick Value: 1400

    Difference? 800 Points

    Value of the 8th pick in the 2nd round: 510
    Value of the 8th pick in the 3rd round: 230

    Total value of 1st+2nd+3rd round picks of the Texans: 2140

    STILL not enough to get to 3 to nab Calvin.

    It'll take a Ricky Williams type entire draft deal to get Calvin to the Texans. Forget about it.

    Also, re: Michael Bush, most mock draft sites have him going somewhere in the second round. Injury concerns are there, but if not for injuries, he's in the discussion with Lynch and AD as the top back in the draft.
     
  13. supertruck97

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    Also, just a thought. Doesn't all of the Calvin talk this year remind anyone of the Reggie Bush talk last year? Once in a life-time player, future this and future that. Seriously, every draft has someone that is hyped like this, and every year fans get caught up in it.

    CJ is a great college WR. He's got great size and speed, but without a decent QB throwing him the ball, going against better CB's in the NFL, he could be just average. He might be great too, but to start saying he's TO/Moss combined with Harrison is WAAAYYY premature.
     
  14. Second Honeymoon

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    carr sucks. why would you still want him on your team? do you even watch the games in Dallas? he has sucked, he sucks, and will always suck.
     
  15. Gamehorn25

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    Every single year there is some player, usually a running back, WR, OT, or QB that is said to be a "Once in a life time player". This year there is Joe Thomas, AD, and CJ. All 3 are said to be once in a lifetime players. Last year there was D'Brick, Bush, Young, and Mario. Please stop calling these guys "Once in a lifetime players". It is said about 3-4 players every year.
     
  16. Ole Miss Texan

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    Calvin had Reggie Ball throwing to him who is, for lack of better words, a pretty poor quarterback. If CJ would have gone to a better program he probably would have set all sorts of receiving records...esp. TD's.

    I understand your point in that there are no sure things and we can't write anyone into the hall of fame just yet..lol

    I think Calvin is just a great prospect in general, size, speed, routes, blocking, smart, team oriented. I look forward to following his career.
     
  17. disaacks3

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    I've given Carr all the benefit of the doubt that I can, but NO WAY do I release Sage at this point. Sage has at least looked 'comfortable' in the offense (albeit not much time against 1st-stringers) and we really don't have another backup we can say that about.

    They say walk before you run...I say run before you pass. I want to see the vaunted zone-blocking scheme that I expected last year begin to bear a little fruit before I worry about adding another WR. You need look no further that Detroit for an example.

    I'd rather make this kinda deal for AP. He's shown that he can handle >20 touches a game and is the kind of back that reminds Houstonians of their lost Tyler Rose. :redtowel:
     
  18. supertruck97

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    2006 Game Log Receiving Rushing Fumbles
    DATE OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
    9/2 Notre Dame L 14-10 7 111 15.9 45 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
    9/9 Samford W 38-6 4 26 6.5 11 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
    9/16 Troy W 35-20 2 9 4.5 11 0 1 21 21.0 21 0 0 0
    9/21 Virginia W 24-7 6 165 27.5 66 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
    9/30 @Virginia Tech W 38-27 6 115 19.2 53 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
    10/7 Maryland W 27-23 10 133 13.3 23 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
    10/21 @Clemson L 31-7 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 -4 -4.0 0 0 0 0
    10/28 Miami (FL) W 30-23 5 68 13.6 43 1 1 -2 -2.0 0 0 0 0
    11/4 @North Carolina State W 31-23 9 168 18.7 43 2 1 8 8.0 8 0 0 0
    11/11 @North Carolina W 7-0 3 13 4.3 18 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
    11/18 Duke W 49-21 5 78 15.6 46 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
    11/25 @Georgia L 15-12 2 13 6.5 10 0 1 10 10.0 10 0 0 0
    12/2 Wake Forest L 9-6 8 117 14.6 26 0 2 -3 -1.5 6 0 0 0
    GATOR BOWL AT JACKSONVILLE FL @West Virginia L 38-35 9 186 20.7 48 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0


    I understand that Calvin most likely has a great future, but take a look at his numbers in 2006. He put up some good numbers, but there were also games where he completely disappeared. Samford: 4 catches, 26 yards. Troy : 2 Catches, 9 yards. Miami: 5 Catches, 68 yards (Not horrible, but not AMAZING either). UNC: 3 catches, 13 yards. Georgia: 2 catches 13 yards.

    He had some great games, no doubt, but he also had ALOT of games where he disappeared. That gives me pause. DB's in the NFL are not the same 5'6" scrubs he's used to going against vs. teams like Wake Forest. Defenses are complex in the NFL and designed to rough a receiver up before he can get into his routes.

    These are the challenges that EVERY college player faces, they are not unique to Calvin, but he is miost likely not going to become the top NFL receiver right out of the gate. There will be an adjustment period, no matter HOW good he is.

    It just bothers me that people start throwing around the names of the best receivers in the game who have proven to be amazing through YEARS of work, dedication and skill, and then some rookie comes in and people start saying that he'll be a combination of these hall of famers.

    Last year, EVERYONE was touting Reggie Bush as a combination of Gale Sayers and Barry Sanders. Well, he had a pretty good rookie year, but he didn't set the world on fire. I except something similar with Calvin, MAYBE 1000 yards, MAYBE 7-10 TD's. He won't lead the league in receptions his first year out, especially is he is playing in Oakland or Cleveland.

    I just wish everyone would temper their expectations during draft time, and take a step back into reality.
     
  19. A Texan

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    I can't even imagine Casserly making that trade. Anybody who would should be fired!
     
  20. thunderkyss

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    He's also throwing in Jason Babin who played more snaps at DE than anyone on our team not named Mario in '06, and Sage who is going to be our starting QB in '07, & Morlon Greenwood, who was probably second on our team in tackles.

    This trade would be better than the Ricky Williams trade, and stupid for the Texans.
     

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