Discussion in 'College Football & the NFL Draft' started by bigcarlos, Oct 23, 2005.
So many scenarios....we need everything but a kicker or punter :brickwall
and thats why your a rookie, Dunta Robinson, Andre Johnson, and Dominick Davis could start for any team in the league, we need o line, d line, WR, QB (Prferably Leinart), and a Linebacker
This may sound crazy but...if Leonard Pope from Georgia comes out, he would provide some good blocking and a second reliable receiving target.
He's got the best hands of any tight end in the NCAA and when he goes pro will be in the top 3 TE's.
I'm not quite sure DD could start over most of the RBs in the league.
The First pick in the 2006 nfl draft will be decided week 16. Houston Texans at San Francisco 49ers. Who said that game was going to be a toilet bowl.
Us Jag fans hope that Leonard Pope falls down to us, late in the first...
OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Defensive backs Charles Woodson and Derrick Gibson were knocked out of Oakland's game against Buffalo in the first quarter Sunday with injuries.
I wonder if they'll give us back our draft picks for P-Burnt
Anyone who thinks the LESS MOBILE Lenhert will change things is a fool.
Trade the #1 to like #4 and take a OT
Then look for best player based on OLB, ILB, WR, and who really knows what system we will be playing next season with Capers on the way out.
Please he gashes teams with this cardboard cutout of an offensive think if the blocking were good and we had a passing game or good gameplanners. Our sceme sucks *** and we have no adaptation in it. He could start or heavly contribute in alot of places.
So sayeth the poster with 7 posts.
Run down the list of teams he'd start for (teams he might start for in bold)...
Seattle - Shaun Alexander
St. Louis - Steven Jackson
Arizona - Marcel Shipp
San Francisco - Kevan Barlow
Atlanta - Warrick Dunn
Carolina - Stephen Davis
Tampa - Carnell Williams
New Orleans - Duece McCallister
Minnesota - Mewelde Moore
Green Bay - Ahamn Green
Detroit - Kevin Jones
Chicago - Thomas Jones
Dallas - Julius Jones
New York - Tiki Barber
Philly - Michael Westbrook
Washington - Clinton Portis
San Diego - Ladanian Tomlinson
Kansas City - Priest Holmes
Oakland - Lamont Jordan
Denver - Mike Anderson
Indianapolis - Edgerrin James
Jacksonville - Fred Taylor
Tennessee - Chris Brown
Pittsburgh - Bettis/Parker/Staley
Cincinatti - Rudi Johnson
Baltimore - Jamal Lewis
Cleveland - Reuben Droughns
Buffalo - Willis McGahee
New York - Curtis Martin
Miami - Ronnie Brown
New England - Corey Dillon
Now of the teams not in bold, explain how they'd be dumb not to start Davis over their current starter.
So Davis is a better RB than Kevin Jones because Jones is only averaging 2.9 this year? You think Detroit would be willing to give up on what Jones has to offer later in his career for what Davis brings to the table?
If you honestly believe that, we'll have to agree to disagree.
The reason everybody knows those guys' names is because of how they run...not the other way around.
Jones was the most obvious example. So I'll cover the others you mentioned...
Curtis Martin - NFL rushing champ from last year
Stephen Davis - Advantage for Davis? Youth...that doesn't make him a better RB.
Mike Anderson - 12th in the league in rushing while splitting carries with Bell
Chris Brown - "When healthy", he's produced
LaMont Jordan - Only needed the opportunity...now he's proving why.
Corey Dillon - See Stephen Davis.
Jamal Lewis - See Stephen Davis.
Priest Holmes - See Stephen Davis.
Julius Jones - Has averaged over 94 yards per game for his career.
Fred Taylor - See Stephen Davis.
But again, if you honestly feel any of those teams would trade the players mentioned, then I'll view that as blind homerism and we'll just agree to disagree.
So it's not okay to point out that he's averaged 94+ a game for his career because it's only 13 games but it's sound logic to say he "hasn't done much so far"?
[Guiness guy] Brilliant! [/Guiness guy]
I liked this part also...
"THIS YEAR" has consisted of 5 games for Jones thus far (in which he's averaging just over 81 ypg...that averages out to a 1,300 yard season).
What were you saying about semantics?
"When healthy", Jones has shown he can produce...at a high level. This isn't a blind homer fan speaking...this is simple fact.
Now if you feel that his broken shoulder that caused him to miss 8 games of his 23 game career or the sprained ankle that has left him out of the last 2 games makes him the lesser of the two RBs...again, agree to disagree.
Even if I take on the role of blind homer Cowboys fan (most that know me here would disagree to that description about me), do you really believe anybody else outside the cities of Dallas and Houston would make this same trade (Davis for Jones)?
Maybe the Falcons should consider trading the oft injured Michael Vick?
How many wins does Carr have over Vick?
But yeah, there are several other QBs I'd take over Vick as well (but Culpepper is not one of them).
Take a look at the Falcons' winning percentage when Vick starts compared to when he doesn't. The same defense is on the field.
Buffalo is doing better since Kelly Holcomb replaced Losman.
Washington has improved leaps and bounds since Brunell took over for Ramsey.
Detroit is 1-0 under Jeff Garcia.
St. Louis is 1-0 since Bulger's injury.
Arizona was 0-2 before Josh McCown became the starter. 2-2 since.
I'm having trouble thinking of other back-ups that have played due to injury/ineffectiveness.
Fact remains...these teams have played better under their back-up QBs. Everybody was ready to annoint Matt Schaub the second coming after a solid pre-season a couple of years ago and a good game a couple of weeks ago (despite the loss).
Another fact is that Vick had his team in the NFC Championship game last year. Only 3 other QBs can say that. There were other teams with good offenses and/or defenses that can't.
Point is, it's not always about the numbers. Drew Bledsoe presently has more yards and TDs than Peyton Manning. Who would you want as your QB right now?
Most would consider the game Schaub played (18 of 34, 298 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 112.1 rating) to be at a much higher level than what Vick could contribute. But yet they still lost.
For whatever reason, they play better when Vick is the QB and it has nothing to do with his statistics. That's something that's not measured on paper.
Personally, I think it's because defenses have to account for what Vick brings to the table and that opens up other options. Every now and then, he flashes an excellent passing game. So you do have to worry that he might put up good passing numbers. But how often do defenses have to worry that Peyton Manning is going to crack a 40 yard run?
As I said though, I would take other QBs over Vick as well. But that has nothing to do with him having fewer passing yards and only 100 more yards rushing than Carr.
Do the Texans take a QB if they have the top spot?
Which Qb''s are going into the draft this year. Young? Vick?
Lienart, Young and Vick. If they all went into the draft this year, who do you pick?
Do we trade down and fill our roster with several top prospects for both the D-line and O-line? Do we need a new LB? What about WR?
Do we make a HUGE free agency push to help improve the drop in Season ticket sales that is surely going to happen?
Curious what you people think....
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