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Marcel Shipp

Hasn't averaged more than 3 yards a carry since 2003.

He's the best option they could find?

And why are we now talking about Green being out until the opener? It says in the linked article that he "could miss another two weeks". What's up with that? It was "nothing two weeks ago. No reason to get worried, we're just playing it safe with Ahman. If this was the regular season we'd push it a little harder. Now it's maybe another two weeks and we've got this guy being interviewed by Bob Allen in New Orleans on the sideline talking about how he doesn't know when he'll be back.

It's been a long time since I've felt this way about a player. I'm starting to feel "The Boselli Effect" around Ahman in a big way.
 
GP said:
Another NetFlix RB.

Didn't he have a fairly significant injury awhile back?
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I don't think so...Edge happened. And as you can see, Edge isn't exactly lighting it up in ARI's running game. Perhaps Shipp isn't as bad as we think. I'm intrigued...and I would like to subscribe to Shipp's newsletter (with an out clause, of course).
 
Not suprising. Rick Smith said on-air last night that someone would be brought in within the next week to "solidify the position."
 
IlliniJen said:
I don't think so...Edge happened. And as you can see, Edge isn't exactly lighting it up in ARI's running game. Perhaps Shipp isn't as bad as we think. I'm intrigued...and I would like to subscribe to Shipp's newsletter (with an out clause, of course).
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Spent the entire season in 2004 on injury reserve due to an ankle and leg injury.

link: Marcel Shipp profile

Horrible stats, too.

Eeek.

:texflag:
 
Shipp has pretty much ideal size and was a up and coming back till he had some injury issues. I'm just glad we are still looking at backs since nobody has impressed me much other than Slaton (I hope he gets some first team touches next week).
 
Vinny said:
Shipp has pretty much ideal size and was a up and coming back till he had some injury issues. I'm just glad we are still looking at backs since nobody has impressed me much other than Slaton (I hope he gets some first team touches next week).
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That's true enough. The worst he can do is average 2-3 yards a carry and look like everybody else. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Still, we're picking up Cardinals cast offs. I feel all "dirty" reading this.
 
AZ drafted a good looking young RB by the name of Tim Hightower who helped make Shipp even more expendable than he already was.
 
Vinny said:
Shipp has pretty much ideal size and was a up and coming back till he had some injury issues. I'm just glad we are still looking at backs since nobody has impressed me much other than Slaton (I hope he gets some first team touches next week).
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Kubes indicated in the press conference that he would.
 
aj. said:
AZ drafted a good looking young RB by the name of Tim Hightower who helped make Shipp even more expendable than he already was.
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Shipp wasn't a Whisenhunt back either

Another garbage RB picked up in free agency (see Bell and Brown).

Slaton will be a full time starter by the end of the year
 
I remember Shipp had an 80 yard td on I think a screen pass a couple years ago. That's the only time i've heard his name before this signing.
 
I'm not as down on Shipp as others seem to be. Of course, I've always had a soft spot for the hapless Cards, and I have no idea why. But to be fair to Shipp, the Cards have never had a good running game. I think their run blockoing has been problematic for YEARS.
 
I'm glad they're still looking for a RB.

I noticed Keith from Indy was running 4th team

He or L. Jordan would be better than anything we currently have after they get cut.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm glad they're still looking for a RB.

I noticed Keith from Indy was running 4th team

He or L. Jordan would be better than anything we currently have after they get cut.
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I don't think either of those guys are garbage pile pickups. L. Jordan would be a great pickup if available, but being realistic, he'll be Addai's backup. Keith was solid last year, so I don't see him getting released. Keith was Addai's backup last year, correct? Because correct if I'm not getting the right guy.
 
I'm a big Slaton fan RJ. He was a steal in the 3rd RD.

This is more about getting rid of Green by any means necessary.
 
Lamont Jordan was picked up by the Patriots and I'm sure the Colts are happy with Keith and Hart behind Addai. I believe the Colts kept 4 backs all year last year also.
 
IlliniJen said:
I don't think either of those guys are garbage pile pickups. L. Jordan would be a great pickup if available, but being realistic, he'll be Addai's backup. Keith was solid last year, so I don't see him getting released. Keith was Addai's backup last year, correct? Because correct if I'm not getting the right guy.
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Rhodes & M. Hart played ahead of Keith last night against Balt.


There are going to be running backs cut, that are better than anything we currently have (excluding Slaton).We just have to be patient.
 
steelbtexan said:
Rhodes & M. Hart played ahead of Keith last night against Balt.


There are going to be running backs cut, that are better than anything we currently have (excluding Slaton).We just have to be patient.
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Sometimes you just gotta wonder if a scheme made a RB look a lot better than he really his. Seems like Indy might have that extra special something that makes their RBs excel, much like Denver of yore. Because I don't remember Rhodes being very special after he left, and I think he was fairly productive in Indy behind Edge. Of course, all my non-Texan player knowledge comes from fantasy football, so I may be wrong.

I'm surprised we didnt take a shot at Jordan. Now he's a guy I could get a bit excited about. Pickups like C. Brown and M. Shipp are like kissing your sister, but if that's all you get, well, I guess you just gotta pucker up.
 
The Pats are currently running

1st team Maroney
2nd team Sammy Morris
3rd team K. Faulk4
4th team H. Evans as a FB short yardage runner.

It's likely Jordan willbe cut.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Pats are currently running

1st team Maroney
2nd team Sammy Morris
3rd team K. Faulk4
4th team H. Evans as a FB short yardage runner.

It's likely Jordan willbe cut.
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Faulk is their key 3rd down back so Jordan probably battles Evans and Morris for their spots since he can be a good back up as well as a short yardage runner. I wouldn't conclude that they picked him to just to cut him....looks to me like they think he may make two guys expendable as my first glance take on this.
 
Vinny said:
Shipp has pretty much ideal size and was a up and coming back till he had some injury issues. I'm just glad we are still looking at backs since nobody has impressed me much other than Slaton (I hope he gets some first team touches next week).
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then this should make you happy...


One day after the Texans beat New Orleans 31-27, coach Gary Kubiak said he plans to use Slaton with the starters against the Dallas Cowboys on Friday. “I think he’s earned the right to get some reps with the first group,” Kubiak said Sunday. “He played pretty darn well.
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IlliniJen said:
Sometimes you just gotta wonder if a scheme made a RB look a lot better than he really his. Seems like Indy might have that extra special something that makes their RBs excel, much like Denver of yore. Because I don't remember Rhodes being very special after he left, and I think he was fairly productive in Indy behind Edge. Of course, all my non-Texan player knowledge comes from fantasy football, so I may be wrong.

I'm surprised we didnt take a shot at Jordan. Now he's a guy I could get a bit excited about. Pickups like C. Brown and M. Shipp are like kissing your sister, but if that's all you get, well, I guess you just gotta pucker up.
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Didn't Rhodes end up in Oakland behind Jordan et. al.? He really didn't get much of a shot out there.
And I'm totally in agreement on Jordan; he would be a much more interesting addition than Shipp. I think Shipp is bargain-basement camp fodder.
 
Jen

Rhodes had a few 100 yard games after Fargas got hurt last year @ OAK.

They must have thought Rhodes is better than Keith or they wouldn't have brought him in.
 
steelbtexan said:
Jen

Rhodes had a few 100 yard games after Fargas got hurt last year @ OAK.

They must have thought Rhodes is better than Keith or they wouldn't have brought him in.
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Really, shows you how much I don't pay attention to guys not on my FFB team after the draft. LOL. Didn't Jordan outplay him, though? I remember Jordan haven't some good games despite OAK's general woes.
 
Vinny said:
Faulk is their key 3rd down back so Jordan probably battles Evans and Morris for their spots since he can be a good back up as well as a short yardage runner. I wouldn't conclude that they picked him to just to cut him....looks to me like they think he may make two guys expendable as my first glance take on this.
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It could go down like this.

I would a look @ Morris if it went down that way. He loooked good last year until he got hurt against Dallas.

Morris is a stud special teams player. Kubes said he wants to upgrade the ST. Which is why I don't think the Pats will cut him.

Just throwing ideas out there.
 
Vinny said:
Faulk is their key 3rd down back so Jordan probably battles Evans and Morris for their spots since he can be a good back up as well as a short yardage runner. I wouldn't conclude that they picked him to just to cut him....looks to me like they think he may make two guys expendable as my first glance take on this.
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It could go down like this.

I would a look @ Morris if it went down that way. He loooked good last year until he got hurt against Dallas.

Morris is a stud special teams player. Kubes said he wants to upgrade the ST. Which is why I don't think the Pats will cut him.

Just throwing ideas out there.
 
If the Shipp comes in - it won't be a bad thing. Like someone alread said at least they are not satisfied with the running back situation in its current state. I liked Slaton before but I am really starting to like him now.
 
Shipp seems like an older version of the Mike Bell/Chris Taylor line of hybrid RB/FB who can play specail teams well. Overall, if he winds up getting significant carries with teh Texans at best we are getting by.
 
nero THE zero said:
Rick Smith said on-air last night that someone would be brought in within the next week to "solidify the position."
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I should have realized that would rule out Ron Dayne, who is in a liquid gel form.

Welcome Marcel, to the Land of the Misfit Running Backs!
 
I wouldn't panic right now. We're still light years ahead of last year at the RB position. Remember, we've got Darius Walker as our 5th string HB. Green should be ready to go by week one. Certainly, he's way beyond being counted on for the season, but he'll be healthy and ready to go if we choose to have him on the team.

Let's say Shipp doesn't work out and Green gets cut:

still, between Slaton, CTaylor, CBrown, and Darius Walker we have very good depth and a significant amount of promise: Brown will be good in the 8-10 games he's healthy. Taylor should be effective in short yardage and may continue to progress in the ZBS. Slaton is showing a lot of potential. He should be able to see 10-15 carries a game and at least provide a serious homerun threat. And Walker can be counted on to play solidly in a pinch.

My concern with the running game, primarily, is the continued progression of the Oline. I think it definitely looked better this week- fewer missed assignments, it appeared. Also, Brown was better. I have a very difficult time seeing what's going on with the guards on the running plays but there certainly wasn't as much penetration up the middle this week.
 
Ahman seems to have some kind of protective angel despite no productivity or playing time he's still the Texans featured back. reminds me of Kubiaks first season, extending Carr, convinced he could be his starter :gun:

so then it falls directly on Chris Taylor, still to raw, often hurt, missing blocks in protection something a FB has to master. If the Texans carry two fullbacks its gonna be Leach & Cook, the Taylor @ FB experiment is failing. Marcel Shipp is a RB who can block. All I gotta say is he better come into camp healthy & in shape :jogger:
 
GP said:
Spent the entire season in 2004 on injury reserve due to an ankle and leg injury.

link: Marcel Shipp profile

Horrible stats, too.

Eeek.

:texflag:
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I seem to remember he dislocated his ankle and probably broke his leg in the process as they do often seem to come together. I am all for taking another look at some backs however I know most won't agree but with Ahmans pulled groin, hammy whatever it is. I believe were this the regular season he would be playing. There is just no point letting something like that fester in games that don't matter.
 
beerlover said:
Ahman seems to have some kind of protective angel despite no productivity or playing time he's still the Texans featured back.
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I'm guessing the protective angel is in-part the org's unwillingness to already declare failure on the guy after spending millions of the bosses money on him - which is balanced with the devil on the other shoulder that's yet another 4 million of the bosses money waiting to be guaranteeed to him in two weeks if he makes the 53. If I'm McNair, I'm not sure I want to just give away any more money to a guy that can't play one play in pre-season without taking himself out of the game after falling down untouched.

Unfortunately all we see or hear from Ahman is him scoffing at fan's comments on radio interviews about him no longer able to stay healthy, or those smirky, smarmy little video comments ranging from 'it's (the groin injury) nothing' to I don't know when I'll be ready to play' or 'that's football.' It's not football. It's an old vet whose at the end of his career that's caught in a place between his lost fire and desire to play football - and another guaranteed 4 million if he makes the 53. His agent was overheard at dinner the other night saying "just make the 53 baby." (humor)

This wouldn't be such a big deal if it wasn't the flippin' RB1 roster spot. I think comments like 'he's a vet and knows his body better than anyone' or 'he's just saving himself for the regular season' are bullshit. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm tired of being strung along. I saw comments from Kubiak recently where he said AG was having serious doubts about his future last year during his knee thing. If those doubts were there last year, you can be assured that they are back this year, despite his great summer workout sessions and training camp (all with no or limited contact I might add). If I'm McNair, I'm putting a lot of pressure on Rick Smith to assure me that Ahman can come back healthy and add some value to the team this year before I throw another 4 mill at him. I'm highly skeptical and thoroughly disgusted with the whole situation. Prove me wrong Ahman.
 
aj. said:
I'm guessing the protective angel is in-part the org's unwillingness to already declare failure on the guy after spending millions of the bosses money on him - which is balanced with the devil on the other shoulder that's yet another 4 million of the bosses money waiting to be guaranteeed to him in two weeks if he makes the 53. If I'm McNair, I'm not sure I want to just give away any more money to a guy that can't play one play in pre-season without taking himself out of the game after falling down untouched.

Unfortunately all we see or hear from Ahman is him scoffing at fan's comments on radio interviews about him no longer able to stay healthy, or those smirky, smarmy little video comments ranging from 'it's (the groin injury) nothing' to I don't know when I'll be ready to play' or 'that's football.' It's not football. It's an old vet whose at the end of his career that's caught in a place between his lost fire and desire to play football - and another guaranteed 4 million if he makes the 53. His agent was overheard at dinner the other night saying "just make the 53 baby." (humor)

This wouldn't be such a big deal if it wasn't the flippin' RB1 roster spot. I think comments like 'he's a vet and knows his body better than anyone' or 'he's just saving himself for the regular season' are bullshit. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm tired of being strung along. I saw comments from Kubiak recently where he said AG was having serious doubts about his future last year during his knee thing. If those doubts were there last year, you can be assured that they are back this year, despite his great summer workout sessions and training camp (all with no or limited contact I might add). If I'm McNair, I'm putting a lot of pressure on Rick Smith to assure me that Ahman can come back healthy and add some value to the team this year before I throw another 4 mill at him. I'm highly skeptical and thoroughly disgusted with the whole situation. Prove me wrong Ahman.
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Must spread the rep...........:pirate:
 
Back to football 101 for me. I've never heard of the guy. BUT, I don't watch much Cardinal football either.
 
I don't think there's a huge difference between reasonable expectations for Marcel Shipp, and those we had for Mike Bell. Sure, he could surprise to the upside, but more likely, he's another available body, and isn't going to cost any current Texans RB their roster spot.

I think our best hope may be after the cuts to 75 that will occur after preseason game 3, or even after final cuts. LZ's most recent blog talked about those possibilities, and while I still think it's a little bit of a longshot, there's some possibilities there that I think are better than Shipp, or any other currently available RB

From LZ's blog:
Adrian Peterson - Bears, Thomas Brown - Falcons, Kenton Keith - Colts, DeShawn Wynn - Packers, DeDe Dorsey - Bengals, Chris Perry - Bengals, Reuben Droughns - Giants, Musa Smith -Jets, Gary Russell - Steelers, T.J. Duckett - Seahawks.

It is worth noting that T.J. Duckett played for Alex Gibbs in Atlanta and Droughns played for Kubiak in Denver. Gary Russell has a background in the zone scheme from his college days at Minnesota (but he has character issues in his background) and DeDe Dorsey and Kenton Keith both played for the Colts who run plenty of zone.
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However, bottom line is that anybody who becomes available is available for a reason, and even if someone currently not on the roster is on the 53 man roster, it's simply not realistic to expect them to be a difference maker. Stranger things have happened - just not very often.
 
From Scouts Inc. :

Shipp is a valuable backup running back who can step in for an injured starter and not hold the team back. He is a powerful runner who is most effective when running inside, between the tackles. He has a decent burst through the hole and runs with authority and good leg drive. He does not appear to have great vision once he gets past the first level and will get blindsided after he gets through the hole. He runs with a strong base and can break arm tackles, but is not a great pile-mover on the goal line or in short-yardage situations. He is not a real elusive runner once he is in the open field and will generally just put his head down and get what he can in a straight line. He is a willing blocker when he stays in for pass pro, but is also an effective receiver out of the backfield with soft, natural hands that can pluck the ball away from his body. He has been a core special teams member and has the kind of speed and competitiveness to produce in coverage. He is the kind of player most coaches like to have around, but you can't have too many of them.

I think we have too many of them...
 
From LZ's list i'd take Droughns or Duckett.

Droughns had success in Denver and is a capable short yardage back. Duckett has shown flashes that he's a capable short yardage back as well and already has logged time with Gibbs.

As for Green...

All I can hope for with Green is that he can give us 5 hard games before he takes his money and goes to the retirement home. The starting 5 games are brutal and we need a true feature back in those games. If he can be that guy then we wont really need him that much after that stretch if the line is up to snuff and Slaton is ready to start.

But if he can just give us 5 games I wont be happy but i'll be semi-content. I cant even dream a scenario where he'd give us 16 games :(
 
I don't understand bringing this guy in. It don't hurt anything and I guess we needed an extra body because of the injury situation with Green. I would like to bring somebody in a little younger and with a little more upside. That being said I will root for Shipp like any other Texan and I trust Smith&Kubes on this decision.
 
Brando said:
I don't understand bringing this guy in. It don't hurt anything and I guess we needed an extra body because of the injury situation with Green. I would like to bring somebody in a little younger and with a little more upside. That being said I will root for Shipp like any other Texan and I trust Smith&Kubes on this decision.
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I understand bringing this guy in, but I also don't like what it may portend: that the zone blocking scheme isn't a "plug and play" system here in Houston the way it was in Denver. Or at least not yet.

Kubes and Co. seem to be at a "throw a RB in there and see who sticks" state, and I'm not a huge fan of not allowing RBs to build momentum. I've never been a huge proponent of the RBBC approach, even though I know it works, but I don't know if we have a great committee. I think Kubes realizes that half of our committee is held together by duct tape and chicken wire and the other half is a little inexperienced.

I definately agree that we need to cut bait with Green. I don't like the trend of holding onto guys that aren't producing, and their sticking with Green reminds me a bit of sticking with Carr. This can set a team back a year or two, and RB is too important a position to load roster spots with guys that go down with injuries prior to being touched by anyone on the field...EVER. C.Brown has more upside right now than Green just because he's made of tougher tissue paper than Green...and that freakin' scares me. He's like 2 ply, and Green is 1 ply.

(insert me here grumbling about passing on Mendenhall, then insert someone's comments about our new rookie OT Brown looking pretty good, then insert me grumbling about a catch-22)
 
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