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FLASHBACK decision to take Mario Williams.

Carr Bombed

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AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
Most (not even close) of the Texans fans, local and national media felt the Mario williams pick was a mistake, so Justice has plenty of company in that apology line.
 

IlliniJen

Hall of Fame
I'll collect tickets for that line.:fans:
Me too. I didn't castrate them over the pick, but I felt they needed something on offense and Bush was "can't miss."

I hope Mario keeps taking revenge on all us doubters. Next year is going to be damn exciting to watch.
 

Overalls

All Pro
I had been wanting them to trade down and get an O-lineman for awhile. Then I started to get used to the idea of Reggie Bush and what he could do with DD. (Not knowing ofcourse that DD would become DD/W and never be heard from again.) When they did announce that the pick would be Mario, I didn't understand the pick but didn't get upset either.

:fans:
 

edo783

Hall of Fame
I wanted D-Brick, because that was a major issue IMO at the time. However, I assumed we would take Bush and was sort of "OK" with that as he was supposed to be such an offensive weapon. When on Wednesday (IIRC) before the draft, we said we were taking Mario, I wasn't upset, but was curriouse about him and why. After looking at him and our team and what he could bring to the game, I thought "This could be a good thing and time will tell". I would be pretty hard at this point to say it wasn't the right pick. Reggie is flirting closely with the bust tag (this year should define it). VY is not panning out as some thought and also is flirting with the bust tag, but IMO has a better chance of avoiding it and getting to the journyman level for most of his career. D-Brick has been ......average at best. So, given all of that, Mario was and is far and away the best pick talent wise and for this team.
 

NBT

Waterboy
Most (not even close) of the Texans fans, local and national media felt the Mario williams pick was a mistake, so Justice has plenty of company in that apology line.
I submit, that since you live in the Dallas area, you have no idea what the "local fans" thought of the Mario pick. As a matter of fact, a lot of us were dead set against Reggie, didn't think Vince was the right QB for our style, and that Mario was probably the best pick, as has dang well been proven. All you 20-20 hindsighters make me laugh.
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
I almost wanted them to refuse to choose anyone.

"We're not making a pick until somebody offers us a trade." lol

Obviously, Mario was the right choice.
 

tulexan

Hall of Fame
what exactly did Justice say in this video that was so bad? I didn't hear him criticize the Mario pick in this video.
 

b0ng

Bad Hombre
I submit, that since you live in the Dallas area, you have no idea what the "local fans" thought of the Mario pick. As a matter of fact, a lot of us were dead set against Reggie, didn't think Vince was the right QB for our style, and that Mario was probably the best pick, as has dang well been proven. All you 20-20 hindsighters make me laugh.
Sorry man, but I have to disagree here. All of my co-workers and most of my football watching buddies, and family wanted either Reggie or Vince (I was like edo, I wanted D'Brick).

I don't know anybody that was deadset against Reggie, and most people who didn't think Vince would get picked because we had just extended Carr (Not that they DIDN"T want Vince, because most people that believed this did want Vince).

Didn't the draft party have a whole bunch of jeers and boo's added to the mix as well when the pick was made?
 

ChampionTexan

Hall of Fame
I submit, that since you live in the Dallas area, you have no idea what the "local fans" thought of the Mario pick. As a matter of fact, a lot of us were dead set against Reggie, didn't think Vince was the right QB for our style, and that Mario was probably the best pick, as has dang well been proven. All you 20-20 hindsighters make me laugh.
I live in the Houston area (Spring), and spend way too much time talking about the Texans and listening to Sportstalk radio. There's no question that he's right. There were some Mario supporters, but the vast majority of the fans - and casual observers - ripped the Texans a new one.

I wasn't happy with it, and was one of those thinking Bush was the best pick. I like to think the difference between me and numerous others in this community was that once they made a pick I didn't like, I immediately started hoping that Mario and the Texans would prove me wrong. There were way too many folks who I perceived as hoping VY and Reggie would prove that the Texans were stupid just so they could say "I told you so". Shallow and shortsighted, most of them will be on the Mario bandwagon if he can continue what he started last year.
 

Drew_Smoke

@Drew_Smoke
I went from screaming at the tv as Reggie ran up and down the field "The Texans better get him!" to "We need to look hard at the cat from NC St.

I took alot of abuse for that. Especially from the horned crowd who said VY walks on water. Do you think Titan fan would approve a trade of VY for Mario straight up right about now?
 

b0ng

Bad Hombre
I took alot of abuse for that. Especially from the horned crowd who said VY walks on water. Do you think Titan fan would approve a trade of VY for Mario straight up right about now?
The smarter ones would. That being said, I bet most of the messageboard go'ers would probably be like "No Mario is a bust lalalalalalala I can't hear you"
 

ObsiWan

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
I live in the Houston area (Spring), and spend way too much time talking about the Texans and listening to Sportstalk radio. There's no question that he's right. There were some Mario supporters, but the vast majority of the fans - and casual observers - ripped the Texans a new one.

I wasn't happy with it, and was one of those thinking Bush was the best pick. I like to think the difference between me and numerous others in this community was that once they made a pick I didn't like, I immediately started hoping that Mario and the Texans would prove me wrong. There were way too many folks who I perceived as hoping VY and Reggie would prove that the Texans were stupid just so they could say "I told you so". Shallow and shortsighted, most of them will be on the Mario bandwagon if he can continue what he started last year.
Ain't THAT the truth.
All you had to do was tune into any sports radio call-in show or take a look at either of the Chron.com sports blogs to see all the vehement, angry attitudes of the local VY supporters and the guys who think that we HAD to have RB. And Heaven help you if you actually were one of the folks who defended the selection of Mario or would at least admit to seeing the logic (we'd re-upped Carr and thought we had DD-W) behind the pick at the time. You were cast as just as stupid as the Texans F/O.

And the REALLY sad part is, some of them are STILL claiming VY/RB was the better pick.
 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
Staff member
Contributor's Club
Go back to page 325-327 of this forum's archives for some fun reading about the draft.

04/28/06 is still the highest number of people on this forum, and I remember that night well. Thunderkyss and I were two that I recall were defending the pick against a crush of Reggie/Vince manlovers and Bob McNair haters. Reading back is quite amusing.

I was a trade-down advocate, especially if we could get more value. I wanted D'brick or AJ Hawk, but had no problem with picking Mario after it was all said and done. I'm a defensive kind of guy, believing that championships are won with good defense. So Mario fit that mindset.

I lost a lot of respect for the local media - specifically Justice and Johnny McLame - after that draft. First was the hype of the so-called "Bush Bowl", where you had local fans/media hoping we would lose the last game of a dismal season in order to get the first pick. Then we had the Vince Young hype and David Carr hatred mixed together to form a perfect feeding frenzy. Justice and McLame were handing out pitchforks and torches to storm Reliant, and they've done nothing to gain my respect since then. They seem to have very selective memories these days, but I won't forget their obvious and overwhelming bias for individual players over the team. They could choke on chicken bones today and retire and I wouldn't care less (I'd probably celebrate with a KFC bucket of original recipe).

Then when fans didn't get what they thought they wanted, so many threatened to abandon the team and boycott games because of it. I lost a lot of faith in Houston's hometown fans during 2-14 and the subsequent whining of disappointment. I realized this is a town mostly made of front-runners and bandwaggoners. We have about 20,000 fanatics, but the rest are fickle, at best.

In the end, though, our new football minds prevailed and obviously made the pick that the team needed. And now the bandwagon fills up, which is alright with me. Some of us never left it.
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
This pick is the whole reason that I'm on this board today.

I wanted D'Brick. I thought it made a lot of sense to trade the #1 pick to the Jets so they could get Bush to replace Curtis Martin. Then we get a tackle and start building our line. Made sense to me.

Then when I heard that we were thinking of picking Mario, I thought it had to be a smokescreen for something else. I was surprised when they actually went ahead with the pick but I was OK with it. I was afraid that Bush might really be the next Gale Sayers and we were going to be a punchline for centuries. But I was already tired of the media telling me that I wanted Bush or Young, neither of which i wanted. So I poked around and went to the Texan's MB to check out what other Texans' fans thought.

And that's why I'm here.
 

dalemurphy

Hall of Fame
Go back to page 325-327 of this forum's archives for some fun reading about the draft.

04/28/06 is still the highest number of people on this forum, and I remember that night well. Thunderkyss and I were two that I recall were defending the pick against a crush of Reggie/Vince manlovers and Bob McNair haters. Reading back is quite amusing.

I was a trade-down advocate, especially if we could get more value. I wanted D'brick or AJ Hawk, but had no problem with picking Mario after it was all said and done. I'm a defensive kind of guy, believing that championships are won with good defense. So Mario fit that mindset.

I lost a lot of respect for the local media - specifically Justice and Johnny McLame - after that draft. First was the hype of the so-called "Bush Bowl", where you had local fans/media hoping we would lose the last game of a dismal season in order to get the first pick. Then we had the Vince Young hype and David Carr hatred mixed together to form a perfect feeding frenzy. Justice and McLame were handing out pitchforks and torches to storm Reliant, and they've done nothing to gain my respect since then. They seem to have very selective memories these days, but I won't forget their obvious and overwhelming bias for individual players over the team. They could choke on chicken bones today and retire and I wouldn't care less (I'd probably celebrate with a KFC bucket of original recipe).

Then when fans didn't get what they thought they wanted, so many threatened to abandon the team and boycott games because of it. I lost a lot of faith in Houston's hometown fans during 2-14 and the subsequent whining of disappointment. I realized this is a town mostly made of front-runners and bandwaggoners. We have about 20,000 fanatics, but the rest are fickle, at best.

In the end, though, our new football minds prevailed and obviously made the pick that the team needed. And now the bandwagon fills up, which is alright with me. Some of us never left it.

DB, I was part of your select company. I also was wanting a trade down, but I also argued that I would never criticize my football team for trying to build strong offensive and defensive lines, instead of making fan appeasing moves that only look at the short term and not at the long term development of a winning team. The insanity of the Bush and particularly VYoung fans still irks me thinking about it now.

I was at the game vs. Tennessee in '06, sitting next to two supposed Texan fans who were wearing VY jerseys and cheering for the Titans. I'm proud to say that I heckled them out of my section by the second quarter with chants for Bud Adams... However, that day was so sickening. VY taking a victory lap and the stadium erupting. It's unfortunate how unlikable and uneducated the Houston fan base is. Not only that, but because of them, ticket prices are that much more expensive.

Living in Austin, I put up with this VY crap to this day. Man, I despise UT fans, especially when they're disguised as Texan fans.
 

barrett

All Pro
...I realized this is a town mostly made of front-runners and bandwaggoners. We have about 20,000 fanatics, but the rest are fickle, at best.

In the end, though, our new football minds prevailed and obviously made the pick that the team needed. And now the bandwagon fills up, which is alright with me. Some of us never left it.
how many of us were still in the stands on 10/21/07?
 
It doesn't make any sense to rehash that draft. The RB/VY "groupies" for the most part have changed their minds or their team. Good for both! Some here probably led the jeers at Reliant (or at home) when the pick was official. Fair enough. I guess that's the price of admission and why most "fans" pay for the ticket and are not on the field or in the front office. Some are fed their knowledge of the game by the entertainment media (example: ESPN, John McClain, Chron.com, ect.) and follow the herd. And some have a football background or are students of the game.

Either way, love him or hate him, he's a Texan! This man is someone special and fits the football culture of this team. He is a man among boy's and will continue to be a force for the foreseeable future and I'm estatic with his play and determination to prove so many wrong!

Read this article on Mario and see if you don't get pumped:


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8213234/Texans'-Williams-has-a-love-for-speed

When the Texans have a Hall of Fame, I'd love to see the heads of VY/RB mounted over the door. But, that's just me...:)
 

ObsiWan

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
The props just keep on coming

Mario Williams, DE, Houston Texans. At times this spring, Williams has looked unblockable. "If you watch practice right now, you see him at another level," coach Gary Kubiak says. "Football is very important to Mario, and he's working his way toward a big, big year." Those words should grab the attention of Houston's opponents, especially because Williams had 14 sacks in 2007.
:fans:
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
I submit, that since you live in the Dallas area, you have no idea what the "local fans" thought of the Mario pick. As a matter of fact, a lot of us were dead set against Reggie, didn't think Vince was the right QB for our style, and that Mario was probably the best pick, as has dang well been proven. All you 20-20 hindsighters make me laugh.
I submit that since I have been a moderator on one Texans board or another for 5 years or so, that you are trying to re-write history. It is not even up for debate that the Mario pick was not popular among the majority of fans, local or national media.

BTW, wake-up this is not 1973 where you are land locked to three local stations and a local newspaper. Physically living in a certain area does not have the meaning it did a generation ago.
 

rickyb

Scarlet is hot.
I was at the game vs. Tennessee in '06, sitting next to two supposed Texan fans who were wearing VY jerseys and cheering for the Titans. I'm proud to say that I heckled them out of my section by the second quarter with chants for Bud Adams... However, that day was so sickening. VY taking a victory lap and the stadium erupting. It's unfortunate how unlikable and uneducated the Houston fan base is. Not only that, but because of them, ticket prices are that much more expensive.

Living in Austin, I put up with this VY crap to this day. Man, I despise UT fans, especially when they're disguised as Texan fans.
Isn't that the truth? I especially hate how this town has adopted the Tita...err, I mean, the Youngs. It makes me sick going to 3B and seeing all the VY Titan jerseys. :bat:

But, then again...after all, VY makes everything and everyone better. /sarcasm
 

Rex King

Waterboy
My feelings evolved over time:
1) **** you, Kris Brown. Let’s take kicker.
2) Yay. We got Bush.
3) Too bad he doesn’t run between the tackles. A luxury we can't afford. Wow, VY sure would be nice.
4) Oh, yeah, that Carr extension. Wish we could trade down and get Winston at around 20.
5) Wow, this Mario Williams had some combine. Weak draft for DE's. Wish we could trade down and get him.
6) ?I have no idea.
7) Damn, I'm sick of VY610, VY All Day, Every Day. Just please draft someone and let this end.

Never really liked D’Brick because of concerns about him keeping on weight and that he couldn’t slide over to RT if he didn’t make the grade on the left side.
 

NBT

Waterboy
Sorry man, but I have to disagree here. All of my co-workers and most of my football watching buddies, and family wanted either Reggie or Vince (I was like edo, I wanted D'Brick).

I don't know anybody that was deadset against Reggie, and most people who didn't think Vince would get picked because we had just extended Carr (Not that they DIDN"T want Vince, because most people that believed this did want Vince).

Didn't the draft party have a whole bunch of jeers and boo's added to the mix as well when the pick was made?
The guys on hpf.com were more or less who I was speaking of. Of course that board is gone so you would have had to be a poster there to believe what I am saying, but I reiterate, I thought Reggie was trying to manipulate himself into the Draft, while I thought VY was a helluva option read QB for Texas when they won the NCAA Championship, but I knew he didn't have the NFL skills we had to have. I hope the both of you have learned to have more confidence in our G.M.
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
The guys on hpf.com were more or less who I was speaking of. Of course that board is gone so you would have had to be a poster there to believe what I am saying, but I reiterate, I thought Reggie was trying to manipulate himself into the Draft, while I thought VY was a helluva option read QB for Texas when they won the NCAA Championship, but I knew he didn't have the NFL skills we had to have. I hope the both of you have learned to have more confidence in our G.M.
Our GM at the time was Casserly. :cool: He finally did something right, and it took the whole world telling him not to. :mcnugget:
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
As the draft approached in 06 it seemed inevitable that the Texans would take Reggie Bust .... At the time I prefered Young but the extension of HWWNBM pretty much ruled that out , Mario was an afterthought . The way it looks now .... the Texans made the right choice as Bush has been a $54million bust and Young has not progressed (more like regresed) while Mario has gotten consistently better.
 

b0ng

Bad Hombre
The guys on hpf.com were more or less who I was speaking of. Of course that board is gone so you would have had to be a poster there to believe what I am saying, but I reiterate, I thought Reggie was trying to manipulate himself into the Draft, while I thought VY was a helluva option read QB for Texas when they won the NCAA Championship, but I knew he didn't have the NFL skills we had to have. I hope the both of you have learned to have more confidence in our G.M.
I was a poster on that board NoBullTexan.
 

TexanSam

Hall of Fame
I was for drafting Reggie Bush, but I was not one of those people who bashed the Texans after we took Mario Williams. I hated listening to sports radio that day. I remember listening to Carl Dukes when he was on 790 and all he did was fan the flames (just like every other talk show host).
 

Brando

Hall of Fame
I was for drafting Reggie Bush, but I was not one of those people who bashed the Texans after we took Mario Williams. I hated listening to sports radio that day. I remember listening to Carl Dukes when he was on 790 and all he did was fan the flames (just like every other talk show host).


I was too but as soon as we drafted Mario, I was on board with the pick. I remember listening to Rich Lord about the Texans not drafting Vince Young "The Texans may have passed up drafting Earl Campbell".:rolleyes:
 

NBT

Waterboy
Most (not even close) of the Texans fans, local and national media felt the Mario williams pick was a mistake, so Justice has plenty of company in that apology line.
Shows how misinformed Arlington and the rest of the nation was regarding the Drafting of Mario. We, on most of the message boards, were soundly behind the pick. To the tune of 80% or more.
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
Shows how misinformed Arlington and the rest of the nation was regarding the Drafting of Mario. We, on most of the message boards, were soundly behind the pick. To the tune of 80% or more.
You personality may have been all for the drafting of Mario Williams as the single best thing for the texans to do with #1 pick in the 2006 draft. I don't have the time nor inclination to run down posts by you under this name or the one that the initials stand for. Stop trying to write your personal opinion on Mario williams' drafting as representative of what the situation was. It was not, Most fans resigned themselves to support the team versus worry about if a personal view on the selection was correct or not (that's what I did by the way).

That said, if you actually read the posts in this thread and through the last three years of the Bush, Young, Mario, there are plenty of people who wanted to do something else with the pick (Bush, young or trade down) who after the Texans selected Mario put that aside and supported the team and the pick. 80% on the message board may have been solidly behind the organization the Texans, but 80% were not in agreement that they made the correct choice with that specific move. Heck, there was plenty of questioning about the Mario heading into the 2007 season (or last year). I will let you try to re-write that also.
 

b0ng

Bad Hombre
Shows how misinformed Arlington and the rest of the nation was regarding the Drafting of Mario. We, on most of the message boards, were soundly behind the pick. To the tune of 80% or more.
You're re-writing history go here To see what people were posting about around April 29 - 30th, 2006 if you really want to see what most people were saying.
 

Nawzer

Alienz
I admitted in plenty of threads before that I was indeed disappointed when we drafted Mario Williams. I wanted Reggie Bush. My main concern was that the Texans fell in love with him because of his combine workout instead of what he did on the football field. Also, due to the fact that I had never seen Mario play I wanted Reggie Bush on the team more because I saw more of his games on tv. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that while it's nice that Mario Williams is getting all this attention from the media, his career is not going to be defined by what he did last year. This battle between Bush, Young, and Williams will go on for a long time. And it is really premature to declare anyone a clear winner at this point. I'm hoping Mario Williams becomes the player everyone says he's going to be but we'll have to wait and see. At this point imo really, he's just gotten off to a great start.
 

Tailgate

Fall of Hame
At this point imo really, he's just gotten off to a great start.
What more can you ask for? I think the way to look at it is if the draft were redone today.... who would get taken first of the three more than the others? Gotta be Williams... and there isnt much doubt anywhere at this point on if Mario is going to be a monster this year or not. Going to be fun to see if indeed he does.
 

Nawzer

Alienz
What more can you ask for? I think the way to look at it is if the draft were redone today.... who would get taken first of the three more than the others? Gotta be Williams... and there isnt much doubt anywhere at this point on if Mario is going to be a monster this year or not. Going to be fun to see if indeed he does.
Well you can't ask for more than the numbers he put up last year. I think he can improve and be better. He didn't really come on strong until the end of the season. But my point is that some people are already acting like this whole race between these guys is over. In my opinion, I think Bush and Young are talented players who had bad year's respectively. And there's no reason why they can't improve too. I think if you redid the draft certainly Mario Williams going no.1 would be justified but also a guy like DeMeco could've gone in the top 5. I can't wait for the season to begin too so we can see Mario and the team win more games.
 
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whiskeyrbl

Guest
Could you omagine if we had drafted Reggie Bust. We would be the laughing stock of the NFL NOW!!!
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
Meh.....Reggie Bush has talent, he's just being used in a system that doesn't take advantage of him. Same with Vince Young. I suspect though, in the long run, the drafting of Mario Williams and Vince Young will work out just fine for their respective teams. Regge Bush, well, I don't know. I think Slayton is our more affordable Reggie Bush, which others here have also said.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Go back to page 325-327 of this forum's archives for some fun reading about the draft.

04/28/06 is still the highest number of people on this forum, and I remember that night well. Thunderkyss and I were two that I recall were defending the pick against a crush of Reggie/Vince manlovers and Bob McNair haters. Reading back is quite amusing.

I was a trade-down advocate, especially if we could get more value. I wanted D'brick or AJ Hawk, but had no problem with picking Mario after it was all said and done. I'm a defensive kind of guy, believing that championships are won with good defense. So Mario fit that mindset.

I lost a lot of respect for the local media - specifically Justice and Johnny McLame - after that draft. First was the hype of the so-called "Bush Bowl", where you had local fans/media hoping we would lose the last game of a dismal season in order to get the first pick. Then we had the Vince Young hype and David Carr hatred mixed together to form a perfect feeding frenzy. Justice and McLame were handing out pitchforks and torches to storm Reliant, and they've done nothing to gain my respect since then. They seem to have very selective memories these days, but I won't forget their obvious and overwhelming bias for individual players over the team. They could choke on chicken bones today and retire and I wouldn't care less (I'd probably celebrate with a KFC bucket of original recipe).

Then when fans didn't get what they thought they wanted, so many threatened to abandon the team and boycott games because of it. I lost a lot of faith in Houston's hometown fans during 2-14 and the subsequent whining of disappointment. I realized this is a town mostly made of front-runners and bandwaggoners. We have about 20,000 fanatics, but the rest are fickle, at best.

In the end, though, our new football minds prevailed and obviously made the pick that the team needed. And now the bandwagon fills up, which is alright with me. Some of us never left it.
I've tried to stay out of this thread but it is slow now. I too wanted a trade down to get D'Brick for LT. If memory serves, you & I exchanged posts on trading to Jets as this post of yours says. I have pushed getting a LT every year including the most recent draft. After the pick I was not so much against Mario but drafting a Dline rather than Oline. I did argue for Bush rather than MW as I thought an offensive spark (as Reggie was projected) would be best for team. IMO a potential franchise type back could bring more immediate positives than a DE. That is simply personal opinion. I for one am not ducking my head on what my personal thoughts and desires were for that draft. Same goes for my thoughts when some guy named Demeco was selected before Winston and Spencer. Mario is our guy regardless of how he does. Bush and/or young could have all pro seasons in 08 and Mario could crater. When a guy pull on the jersey with da BULL, he's my guy. I may criticize (see Weaver, TJ or even Carr) but he is still my guy.

What I am hoping for is STeve Slaton may bring the same type productivity I thought Bush might and we got Brown for my LT.
 

False Start

On # 69
After watching the clip, Richard Justice needs to get bent and offer the Texans (especially Bob McNair) a public apology and, Justice needs to seriously give up his football reporting ambitions.
I cant stand Dick Justice . He has to be one of the biggest flip floppers there is . Hes like a bi-polar sports writer .

I was upset at the Mario pick . After I saw a few interviews with him I really liked his humble laid back personality . I was still skeptical about his ability as a football player though . When he played through the injury the first year that made me become a fan . He showed flashes of outstanding playing ability, but you could tell something was holding him down . Now, the guy has become my favorite player . I'm not jumping the Mario bandwagon just because of last season, I liked him after the first year as I said, last season just moved him up on my favorite Texan chart over AJ .... sorry Dre ... :cool:
 

texan pride

Practice Squad
I cant stand Justice either. And I was upset with picking Mario for about 5 minutes before I got over it. I'd rather have a good D than a good Offense. And it seem like both will be good this year!!!
 
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