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Brown and Frye re-signed

SheTexan

Hall of Fame
Yay, this means I can still hear the Texans PA guy say emphasize "C.C." on sundays!
That's about the only excitement we get from "C.C." I scratch my head and remind myself that I am pretty damn football illiterate, because I DO NOT understand this signing. Better be for the minimum, as you guys are always saying about someone you don't care to much for.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
Frye signed a one yr rookie deal?

As far as CC Brown, I have no idea why they resigned him for much above the min. If he isn't the worst starting safety in the league, it doesn't take long to call role.
 

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
Frye signed a one yr rookie deal?

As far as CC Brown, I have no idea why they resigned him for much above the min. If he isn't the worst starting safety in the league, it doesn't take long to call role.
I think they cut Frye, and then resigned him to a one year deal during TC.

CC Brown is the second best safety on the team. I don't see why you wouldn't resign him. He is only 25 years old with only 3 years in the league (more than 75 tackles per year). Most of his problems have been about positioning, and I wouldn't be suprised if he gets alot of that corrected pretty soon and becomes a much better football player. I thought he covered better this last year than ever before.

The thing that CC Brown has that the majority of his backups don't have is that he has 44 games of starting experience in the NFL.

I really do think that CC Brown could have a breakout year if he can fix alot of his positioning problems.
 
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Polo

Guest
I think they cut Frye, and then resigned him to a one year deal during TC.

CC Brown is the second best safety on the team. I don't see why you wouldn't resign him. He is only 25 years old with only 3 years in the league (more than 75 tackles per year). Most of his problems have been about positioning, and I wouldn't be suprised if he gets alot of that corrected pretty soon and becomes a much better football player. I thought he covered better this last year than ever before.

The thing that CC Brown has that the majority of his backups don't have is that he has 44 games of starting experience in the NFL.

I really do think that CC Brown could have a breakout year if he can fix alot of his positioning problems.
I'm with you...

CC is not a bad ball player.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I think they cut Frye, and then resigned him to a one year deal during TC.

CC Brown is the second best safety on the team. I don't see why you wouldn't resign him. He is only 25 years old with only 3 years in the league (more than 75 tackles per year). Most of his problems have been about positioning, and I wouldn't be suprised if he gets alot of that corrected pretty soon and becomes a much better football player. I thought he covered better this last year than ever before.

The thing that CC Brown has that the majority of his backups don't have is that he has 44 games of starting experience in the NFL.

I really do think that CC Brown could have a breakout year if he can fix alot of his positioning problems.
Good info as I'd posted this question on other threads on Frye.
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
Brown is average, not as awful as you guys are painting him. Considering the Texans did not have a better alternative w/o having to sign a FA(otherwords spend the same or even more money) to fill the spot it was the proper move. In terms of worth, glenn Earl's 1 year contract is near the same amount as Brown's 1 year tender. The Texans tendered Brown at that amount because the Texans wanted him to play here, apparently CC Brown drew no interest in the market as 2nd rounder, which I think he would have for a 6th rounder.
 

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
Some guys come in with excellent football IQ, but they just don't have the athletic ability.

Some guys come in with alot of ability, but they haven't quite mastered the craft of their position yet. I think CC is one of those players. He came in at 22, as a 5th or 6th round pick and ended up becoming a starter in his first year in a tough division. He's been a starter ever since. I think it is just a matter of time before some of these things just start clicking for him.

Something I noticed last year was that we used him alot around the line of scrimmage. That's not something that we had done with him as often in the past. It looked like it helped him.
 

gtexan02

Working?
We are weak at safety, if cc is the worst starter in the league, he is at least a top backup. We need depth desperately
 
People bash on Brown because of his seeming inability to grasp a feel for the position. He has good enough physical abilities in most areas, but he simply refuses to progress at anything close to the rate his new contract will pay him. His poor angles have not improved much, and his field speed is still below average for a NFL starting safety. He has plenty of starting experience yes, but he just hasn't gotten much better since his first game. He is still burned by double moves and doesn't understand his role in terms of over-the-top help. He has never been the safety to scare WR's and TE's from coming across the middle of the field. His big hits are usually along the sidelines or as the defender is still in the air but on his way down with the completion. His ball skills do not warrant this new contract. I'm pretty upset with the Texans FO for this move.
 
We are weak at safety, if cc is the worst starter in the league, he is at least a top backup. We need depth desperately
You don't pay backup safeties 2nd round tender money.

This seems to mostly be a case of Rick Smith overvaluing Brown. Since Brown received ZERO interest from another team, ZERO INTEREST, the Texans were forced to sign him to the tender offer they extended to him initially. This essentially just backfired in our FO's face IMO.
 
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Polo

Guest
You don't pay backup safeties 2nd round tender money.

This seems to mostly be a case of Rick Smith overvaluing Brown. Since Brown received ZERO interest from another team, ZERO INTEREST, the Texans were forced to sign him to the tender offer they extended to him initially. This essentially just backfired in our FO's face IMO.
Maybe he recieved zero interest because the Texans wanted it that way....

I think Eric Weddle is a pretty good young safety but I'm not giving a second for him...
 

Ole Miss Texan

Hall of Fame
Would you equate CC Brown in our secondary to Greenwood with our Linebackers? Not spectacular by any means but a solid football player for our team nonetheless, and possibly overpaid?
 

Ole Miss Texan

Hall of Fame
Maybe he recieved zero interest because the Texans wanted it that way...
I see that. With as weak as the secondary is already, I think the Texans new they wanted to resign Brown. If we didn't we'd have that much of a bigger hole we'd have to deal with AND sign some more depth on top of it. But if someone was really willing to give us a 2nd rd pick for him... i think they'd gladly take it (esp. this year). I don't think they were sitting around hoping someone would deal for him but just did that so they could work on other deals/signings and still not worry about CC getting snatched up.
 

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
You don't pay backup safeties 2nd round tender money.

This seems to mostly be a case of Rick Smith overvaluing Brown. Since Brown received ZERO interest from another team, ZERO INTEREST, the Texans were forced to sign him to the tender offer they extended to him initially. This essentially just backfired in our FO's face IMO.
Nobody is going to give a 2nd rounder for CC Brown. The fact that no team showed interest in him for a 2nd rounder means nothing to me. That much should be obvious.

I don't see who you guys want to start in front of him. Earl is the only guy and he has been injured over the last year. Harrison has no experience, essentially a rookie, and Ferguson is just a backup.

This pickup seemed like a lock in my mind, unless some team wanted to get crazy and give us a 2nd rounder.

I see that. With as weak as the secondary is already, I think the Texans new they wanted to resign Brown. If we didn't we'd have that much of a bigger hole we'd have to deal with AND sign some more depth on top of it. But if someone was really willing to give us a 2nd rd pick for him... i think they'd gladly take it (esp. this year). I don't think they were sitting around hoping someone would deal for him but just did that so they could work on other deals/signings and still not worry about CC getting snatched up.
This is my thinking 100%.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Better be for the minimum
As far as CC Brown, I have no idea why they resigned him for much above the min. If he isn't the worst starting safety in the league, it doesn't take long to call role.
The 2nd round tender is a one year $1.4 mil deal.

You don't pay backup safeties 2nd round tender money.

This seems to mostly be a case of Rick Smith overvaluing Brown. Since Brown received ZERO interest from another team, ZERO INTEREST, the Texans were forced to sign him to the tender offer they extended to him initially. This essentially just backfired in our FO's face IMO.
There are plenty of backup safeties making $1.4 mil and that is cheap for a starter. This did not blow up in the Texans' face. You only have four options for tenders on a RFA. A low tender would have been $930k which is not much savings from the 2nd round tender level and obviously a 6th isn't worth anything close to a 6th round pick. If CC had been a 3rd round pick to begin with they probably could have gotten away with a low tender but that wasn't the situation.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
I just don't see where he should be starting for anyone. If CC Brown is starting, this D will never become a top 10 unit. We have to get better than CC Brown can offer us. It's just plain ole suckage from Mr. Brown.

He's bascially Matt Stevens with less tatoo's and a better tan. :devilpig:
 

Ole Miss Texan

Hall of Fame
Is Brown a lock for starting? I thought it would be Demps?
I think Demps will be starting at FS and CC will be starting at SS (his natural position?) Kink in the mix is the S we got from Denver- whether he starts or backs up... and Glenn Earl (all strong safeties). Can't wait to see Harrison develop, I wonder what his future will be, too.

If CC Brown is starting, this D will never become a top 10 unit. We have to get better than CC Brown can offer us. It's just plain ole suckage from Mr. Brown.
I think that can be said about a lot of players on our team and most likely it's true. It's just going to take time for this staff to build the team how they want it and CC may not be a part of that in the future. Do I see CC as being a part of a top 10 Defense? Probably not, but I think we're building our D to end up being top 10 for the long haul and Brown is a stepping stone before we can get all the players we want. I can see him eventually being replaced (unless he plays great in this system), Greenwood, while solid, will probably be replaced. We need to get a big run stuffing DT and a pass rushing DE. So that's probably a good 4-5 better players we need before we have an elite Defense and that's not going to happen very quickly.
 

Fox

Rookie
I'm happy with this news on both accounts. IMO CC is average, but he's also still young and has potential. It's not an outrageous salary even if he ends up losing his starting job this season, and he could potentially benefit from Rhodes' coaching.
 

Insideop

All Pro
I'm happy about both signings. I believe that CC, while just an average at best SS, still has made improvements over the years and should continue to make improvements.

The signing I'm most interested in is Frye. I thought last year he was a great pick and was hoping he would do well in TC and maybe crack the starting lineup later in the year. But alas, it was not ment to be and Frye went down the 1st day of TC with an injury and never really was able to show anything. I still think he is a good fit in the ZB system, and now with Gibbs here, I'm hoping he will be able to flourish and solidify a spot in the line. Kubes said last year after they drafted him that he has all the tools. He just needs the reps! JMHO! :texflag:
 

Hagar

Drink up yall, its the Texans!
If you think the Texans aren't worried about the safety position, think again. We currently have 8 safeties on the roster:

24 Brown, C.C. S 6-0 208 Louisiana-Lafayette 3
40 Cox, Curome S 6-1 204 Maryland 3
47 Demps, Will S 6-0 208 San Diego State 6
Ferguson, Nick S 5-10 201 Georgia Tech 10
31 Harrison, Brandon S 6-2 215 Stanford 0
42 Mitchell, Brandon S 6-3 205 Ohio State 0
29 Simmons, Jason S/CB 5-9 198 Arizona State 10
26 Earl, Glenn SS 6-1 215 Notre Dame

As far as CC is concerned, may be a decent backup, but he isn't starting material. Some of this maybe the Texans fault too considering they've moved him back and forth between FS & SS over the years. I like Demps for the starting FS position, but even he's not a lock.

Good news is there will be a lot of competition in camp.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
If you think the Texans aren't worried about the safety position, think again. We currently have 8 safeties on the roster:

24 Brown, C.C. S 6-0 208 Louisiana-Lafayette 3
40 Cox, Curome S 6-1 204 Maryland 3
47 Demps, Will S 6-0 208 San Diego State 6
Ferguson, Nick S 5-10 201 Georgia Tech 10
31 Harrison, Brandon S 6-2 215 Stanford 0
42 Mitchell, Brandon S 6-3 205 Ohio State 0
29 Simmons, Jason S/CB 5-9 198 Arizona State 10
26 Earl, Glenn SS 6-1 215 Notre Dame

As far as CC is concerned, may be a decent backup, but he isn't starting material. Some of this maybe the Texans fault too considering they've moved him back and forth between FS & SS over the years. I like Demps for the starting FS position, but even he's not a lock.

Good news is there will be a lot of competition in camp.
No doubt, but it's not about quantity it's about quality. Heck, you can have 100 safety's but if they all suck, what good does it do you?
 

Hagar

Drink up yall, its the Texans!
No doubt, but it's not about quantity it's about quality. Heck, you can have 100 safety's but if they all suck, what good does it do you?
I agree 100%. But if you don't have that top notch guy whom you can depend on week in and week out, you do the next best thing and bring in as competition as possible and let them battle it out. See if the cream comes to the top.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
CC Brown is a good system guy. Frye is interesting, because he at least passed Gibbs approval. both smart contracts cap wise. congrats guys keep working hard :ok:
 

kiwitexansfan

Hall of Fame
You don't start as many games as CC has if your a bad football player. Bad players get replaced in the NFL because you can't afford to have them on your team, the team soon goes in another direction.

As for the paying him too much question, I agree $1.4M is not a lot for a seasoned starter, I'd rather pay that for someone who knows the system, the team and is good to the organisation than pay less for a player that doesn't know the system, may or may not gel, and will take a while to fit in.

Is he the best S in the league, is he the worst, NO on both accounts, is he worth keeping around absolutely.
 

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
I agree 100%. But if you don't have that top notch guy whom you can depend on week in and week out, you do the next best thing and bring in as competition as possible and let them battle it out. See if the cream comes to the top.
Not only that ut you have decent backups to play if people get injured, like last year.
 

barrett

All Pro
No doubt, but it's not about quantity it's about quality. Heck, you can have 100 safety's but if they all suck, what good does it do you?
it makes everybody better. they all practice harder and the whole unit gets better. see Houston Texans WR corps in '07.
 

BigBull17

Hall of Fame
I think they cut Frye, and then resigned him to a one year deal during TC.

CC Brown is the second best safety on the team. I don't see why you wouldn't resign him. He is only 25 years old with only 3 years in the league (more than 75 tackles per year). Most of his problems have been about positioning, and I wouldn't be suprised if he gets alot of that corrected pretty soon and becomes a much better football player. I thought he covered better this last year than ever before.

The thing that CC Brown has that the majority of his backups don't have is that he has 44 games of starting experience in the NFL.

I really do think that CC Brown could have a breakout year if he can fix alot of his positioning problems.
As long as he plays SS, he should be alright. Thats when he stepped up his game, when they moved him over. There is also a lack of saftey talent in this draft, so Ill take C.C over most of the SS talent this year.
 

Specnatz

Hall of Fame
Who is starting consistently in the NFL at safety that is worse?

Hint: It's a short list
It maybe short, but do not forget most of the time CC Brown has been starting at Safety (either one) we have had no real pass rush or blitzing scheme and also there has been Faggins (Who's defense ressembles the unmentionable dept at Foleys during a Red Apple sale. Leaving lingerie all over the field).

So take that into account when evaluating him.
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
It maybe short, but do not forget most of the time CC Brown has been starting at Safety (either one) we have had no real pass rush or blitzing scheme and also there has been Faggins (Who's defense ressembles the unmentionable dept at Foleys during a Red Apple sale. Leaving lingerie all over the field).

So take that into account when evaluating him.
He's still garbage.
 
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Polo

Guest
Someone is going to have to push really hard to knock CC out of the starting rotation...
 

Malloy

Hall of Fame
Suck it up. We can't have killer players and talent on all positions. CC will, if put in the right situation with the right peope, work just fine.
 

TK_Gamer

Veteran
yes, we can't put All-Pros at every position, nor do we need to to be effective. The great teams of the past were not infallible. The Patriots, The Colts, The Cowboys of the 90's, They are all strong teams but not made of all superstars. Not to mention the fact that it's not economically feasible to have high talent levels at every position at the same time, the salary would be double the allowable cap at least. We have made great strides recently and I'm sure we will continue to do so. Do not dwell on weaknesses based on unrealistic expectations or desires. Enjoy the game and the quest for the final goal.
 

nunusguy

Hall of Fame
The signing I'm most interested in is Frye. I thought last year he was a great pick and was hoping he would do well in TC and maybe crack the starting lineup later in the year. But alas, it was not ment to be and Frye went down the 1st day of TC with an injury and never really was able to show anything. I still think he is a good fit in the ZB system, and now with Gibbs here, I'm hoping he will be able to flourish and solidify a spot in the line. Kubes said last year after they drafted him that he has all the tools. He just needs the reps! JMHO! :texflag:
I to am most intrigued by the Frye signing, though I didn't share your optimism about expecting the 6th round pick to "crack the starting lineup" last year as a rookie.
But this guy is an athletic specimen who has got ZB lineman written all over
him, whether at tackle or inside at center/guard. Lets hope last years injury
was a fluke and he's go the durability to get thru the long NFL season and adapt and yea, maybe flourish under Gibbs and his system.
 

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
I to am most intrigued by the Frye signing, though I didn't share your optimism about expecting the 6th round pick to "crack the starting lineup" last year as a rookie.
But this guy is an athletic specimen who has got ZB lineman written all over
him, whether at tackle or inside at center/guard. Lets hope last years injury
was a fluke and he's go the durability to get thru the long NFL season and adapt and yea, maybe flourish under Gibbs and his system.
The Texans have really changed the guard position in a short amount of time.

Dan Stevenson, Mike Brisiel, Kasey Studdard, and Brandon Frye. All these guys are young. I think Studdard has a good chance of starting alot next year.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I want to see Harrison but Glenn Earl may have something to say about the position. If we can lock in the starting CB and the linebackers are better as Kubes expects and the Dline moves one year better, the safeties may not be as bad as many expect.
 

disaacks3

Moderator
Staff member
As much as C.C. is being maligned, I'm not so sure he isn't a victim of his surroundings. A Strong Safety is NOT a cover-corner, NOR is he the burner you need in a Free Safety.

He's expected to be a big hitter (which CC is) and to cover additional non-primary wideouts when the package / alignment call for it.

Want C.C. to look like an All-Pro? Surround him with two at least "good" CBs and an excellent FS....then we'll talk.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
As much as C.C. is being maligned, I'm not so sure he isn't a victim of his surroundings. A Strong Safety is NOT a cover-corner, NOR is he the burner you need in a Free Safety.

He's expected to be a big hitter (which CC is) and to cover additional non-primary wideouts when the package / alignment call for it.

Want C.C. to look like an All-Pro? Surround him with two at least "good" CBs and an excellent FS....then we'll talk.
there you go
 
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