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nfldraftcountdown 2/27 mock

Not a bad pick, it just gets annoying hearing Scott Wright complain, kick, and scream about our OL situation. We do need an OT, but I don't think he will leave it alone until we draft one in R1.
 
Would somebody please, please make the argument that a 3-4 team would really draft a downlineman with the #1 pick ? It ain't gonna happen and definitely not by Bill Parcells.
Regarding their call on our pick, I sure hope Williams is still on the Board at #18 because I think he'd be a real value there and fill a huge and long-suffereing need for us. They definitely seem to know our situation is in the OLine.
 
nunusguy said:
Would somebody please, please make the argument that a 3-4 team would really draft a downlineman with the #1 pick ? It ain't gonna happen and definitely not by Bill Parcells.
Regarding their call on our pick, I sure hope Williams is still on the Board at #18 because I think he'd be a real value there and fill a huge and long-suffereing need for us. They definitely seem to know our situation is in the OLine.
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I always thought Long would be more of a 3-4 OLB, who would sometimes line up with his hand on the ground.
 
nunusguy said:
Would somebody please, please make the argument that a 3-4 team would really draft a downlineman with the #1 pick ? It ain't gonna happen and definitely not by Bill Parcells.
Regarding their call on our pick, I sure hope Williams is still on the Board at #18 because I think he'd be a real value there and fill a huge and long-suffereing need for us. They definitely seem to know our situation is in the OLine.
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Marcus Spears might have to disagree with you.
 
nunusguy said:
Would somebody please, please make the argument that a 3-4 team would really draft a downlineman with the #1 pick ? It ain't gonna happen and definitely not by Bill Parcells.
Regarding their call on our pick, I sure hope Williams is still on the Board at #18 because I think he'd be a real value there and fill a huge and long-suffereing need for us. They definitely seem to know our situation is in the OLine.
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gholston so?

i hate the idea of forcing matt ryan in at #1... seems like what happened in '05 with alex smith
 
nunusguy said:
Would somebody please, please make the argument that a 3-4 team would really draft a downlineman with the #1 pick ? It ain't gonna happen and definitely not by Bill Parcells.
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Hoth-Boy said:
Marcus Spears might have to disagree with you.
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Bill "Planet Theory" Parcells also drafted Shaun Ellis in the 1st round while running the Jets. And Parcells wanted OU's DT Cedric Jones rather than Terry Glenn in 1996, when the "If you want me to cook the dinner, you should let me shop for the groceries" stuff came about.
 
nunusguy said:
Would somebody please, please make the argument that a 3-4 team would really draft a downlineman with the #1 pick ? It ain't gonna happen and definitely not by Bill Parcells.
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your argument is derailed since Miami will be running the 4-3.

besides, as a planet theory guy, scheme isn't nearly as important with the #1 pick as is pure, raw talent.
 
kastofsna said:
your argument is derailed since Miami will be running the 4-3.

besides, as a planet theory guy, scheme isn't nearly as important with the #1 pick as is pure, raw talent.
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You still hoping for Chris Long kast?

Looks like a good pick for Miami to me.
 
kastofsna said:
your argument is derailed since Miami will be running the 4-3.
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A Bill Parcells team run something besides the 3-4 ? Ya kidding, right ?
But a 4-3 team taking Long, a DE. I could see that, we sure did here couple years ago.
4-3 DEs are far more valuable than 3-4 DEs.
 
nunusguy said:
A Bill Parcells team run something besides the 3-4 ? Ya kidding, right ?
But a 4-3 team taking Long, a DE. I could see that, we sure did here couple years ago.
4-3 DEs are far more valuable than 3-4 DEs.
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Chris Long managed 14 sacks in a 3-4 defense his senior season.
 
bah007 said:
Chris Long managed 14 sacks in a 3-4 defense his senior season.
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I know and that's very impressive. But I still don't think Miami or any team would draft C. Long or any downlineman to play as a DE in the 3-4.
Now they might draft Long to play DE in a 4-3, just we drafted Mario to do so. But I'm skeptitcal that Miami would choose a D which is not Parcells
chosen scheme.
Given that the primary edge-rushers in pro 3-4s are OLBs, not DEs, its just hard for me to imagine using the #1 overall to play a position where he's handling interference to free-up LBs to be the primary play-makers in pass-rushing.
 
kastofsna said:
Long's size will put him at OLB.
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he seems much lighter & very quick in space blessed with LB like footwork so I'm wondering if his natural position instead of outside (OLB) is actually inside (MLB) think of a bigger version of Brian Urlacher. thats something very hard to pass on if I where Miami especially with Thomas gone :)
 
If the conversation is about Long to Miami, they will run a 3-4 so long would play OLB.
 
otisbean said:
If the conversation is about Long to Miami, they will run a 3-4 so long would play OLB.
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That's another reason I don't think Miami will use the #1 overall on Long,
because if his natural positon in the NFL is as a 3-4 LB then he would automatically become defined as a project.
Remeber Jason Babin ? College DEs don't always transition successfully to LB in the Pros. Too many new things to do, too much uncertainty and
you expect your #1 to be productive from Day 1 (except for QBs).
The #1 overall is maybe the worst pick for a team to have because no single player short of an Elway or Manning is worth the price.
 
Yea, but Merriman and Ware have worked out well. I agree with you I would not want the first pick this year unless you needed a RB then I would go McFadden all the way.
 
otisbean said:
Yea, but Merriman and Ware have worked out well. I agree with you I would not want the first pick this year unless you needed a RB then I would go McFadden all the way.
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You're right of course. Merriman & Ware have both become tremendous NFL OLBs after being basically DEs in college. But I submit that even though both
were taken in the top half of the fisrt round I don't think either one was a top 10 pick let alone the #1 overall. You want to eliminate as much uncertainty as possible about the #1 overall and drafting a player who would be at a different positon in the pros is atleast somewhat risky.
On the top pick, honestly I'm not trying to be facisous here, but I really think
the team that has it should be the one that throws in some boot to try and complete a trade. Say maybe a 4th or 5th round pick. The cap hit is so huge, no single player (short of a "franchise" QB), is worth that kinda cap damage.
 
I don't think Long will be standing up much at all. I think he will play from the 3 point stance. He is a perfect defensive end for the 3-4. Not to play linebacker, to play on the defensive line.
 
Lucky said:
Bill "Planet Theory" Parcells also drafted Shaun Ellis in the 1st round while running the Jets. And Parcells wanted OU's DT Cedric Jones rather than Terry Glenn in 1996, when the "If you want me to cook the dinner, you should let me shop for the groceries" stuff came about.
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http://www.gbnreport.com/index.htm

(10:00 PM): Buckeyes' DE scoots again… Ohio State DE Vernon Gholston made yet another statement that he should be considered a top 10 prospect, if not higher, for the 2008 draft with another athletic performance at the Buckeye’s pro day. Gholston reportedly ran the 40 in under 4.60 seconds and had a personal-best 42-inch VL.

C@ll him wh@t you w@nt Lucky...4.6 is LB speed. Er check... th@t r@re LB speed.

Meanwhile, OT Kirk Barton also had a solid day, posting a 40-time of under 5.00 with at least one team clocking him as low as 4.93. The 6-5, 311-pound Barton wasn't able to run at the combine after undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery following a minor injury while practicing for the Senior Bowl in January. OSU LB Larry Grant may also have helped himself by running the 40 in the low 4.6 range after posting a somewhat disappointing 4.71 at the combine.
 
threetoedpete said:
C@ll him wh@t you w@nt Lucky...4.6 is LB speed. Er check... th@t r@re LB speed.
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What did I call Gholston? I've said in another thread that I thought the Dolphins would take Gholston if they kept the pick. But, I also wouldn't disregard the possibility of Parcells going with Chris Long.

Stop picking on me. :(
 
threetoedpete said:
http://www.gbnreport.com/index.htm

(10:00 PM): Buckeyes' DE scoots again… Ohio State DE Vernon Gholston made yet another statement that he should be considered a top 10 prospect, if not higher, for the 2008 draft with another athletic performance at the Buckeye’s pro day. Gholston reportedly ran the 40 in under 4.60 seconds and had a personal-best 42-inch VL.

C@ll him wh@t you w@nt Lucky...4.6 is LB speed. Er check... th@t r@re LB speed.
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mario for strongside linebacker? :) (4.66 at the combine if you want to look it up)...also gholston jumped 37-38 inches not 42.. mario still outperformed him in the workouts

if you watch gholston, his best position is 4-3 de imo and its his own preferred position. he has poor coverage skills and theres plenty of fast lb'ers that cant cover their own shadows
 
Maddict5 said:
mario for strongside linebacker? :) (4.66 at the combine if you want to look it up)...also gholston jumped 37-38 inches not 42.. mario still outperformed him in the workouts

if you watch gholston, his best position is 4-3 de imo and its his own preferred position. he has poor coverage skills and theres plenty of fast lb'ers that cant cover their own shadows
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@ll I know 'bout ghloston is th@t the guy will m@ke the tun@ drool. He w@s @ 4-3 end...he'll be gobbled up by @ te@m who will use him @s 3-4 LB.

and had a personal-best 42-inch VL.
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http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/mockdrafts.htm

Analysis: I had doubts about Gholston’s skills translating to those of a 3-4 OLB. All of those were erased at the Combine. He has the athleticism to drop into coverage and the speed to get around mammoth tackles. Gholston could tempt a team above the Jets with bigger needs because he has an amazing amount of upside.
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http://www.gbnreport.com/index.htm

New #1 town??? If the buzz around the NFL this past weekend is to be believed, Ohio State DE Vernon Gholston is challenging Virginia DE Chris Long for the top grade at the position for the 2008 draft and could even begin to get some consideration to be the first player off the board this coming April after a strong combine and an even stronger pro day workout on Friday. At the combine, for example, Gholston ran the 40 in 467 seconds at 266 pounds, posted a remarkable 37 reps pressing 225 pounds and had a 35.5-inch vertical leap. Gholston then improved his 40-time to the low 4.6 range at the OSU and ripped off an athletic 42-inch vertical leap. In fact, because of his unique combination of strength and quickness, Gholston may also be very attractive as a potential 3-4 pass-rush OLB
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threetoedpete said:
@ll I know 'bout ghloston is th@t the guy will m@ke the tun@ drool. He w@s @ 4-3 end...he'll be gobbled up by @ te@m who will use him @s 3-4 LB.

http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/mockdrafts.htm
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dont doubt me

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=377837

He no doubt looks the part, with a muscular, defined build. Gholston impressed many when he ran his 40 on field turf instead of Ohio State's notoriously fast track, timing a 4.63 and a 4.65. He then had a 37- to 38-inch vertical jump; anyone who reports he jumped 42 inches has bad sources, because the testing unit was slightly broken during his jump. Once on the field, though, Gholston was not nearly as impressive. He is so muscular and big that he struggled to bend his knees and sink his hips, which hindered his ability to change directions in drills.
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doesnt sound like a lb'er to me
 
Maddict5 said:
doesnt sound like a lb'er to me
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Gholston did drop back into coverage on occasion, at Ohio State. I'm not sure why a NFL team would want Gholston to drop back very often. How much pass coverage are guys like Merriman or Ware involved in? Whether he's in a 3-4 or a 4-3, Gholston's primary job will be to get after the QB.
 
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