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CAN Schaub take a hit?!

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Schaub isn't a bad QB, but this is the second time this season I've seen the man time I've seen the man get hit and get removed from a game. David Carr wasn't the greatest QB, but he COULD take a hit. Schaub has taken some hits true, but it seems that it doesn't take much for a defense to remove him. Am I being too critical of the man or does he just need to toughen up a bit?
 
I dunno, if it comes back that he broke his left arm or something then he's obviously not just a puss.

That being said, with this OL he's going to get hit a lot. It's not like he goes out every time he gets hit but he's obviously not as tough as Carr was.

Whatever happens, with the injury bug constantly biting our OL we had better invest draft picks and a lot of money on the FA for the damn OL once and for all.
 
Bandwagon said:
I dunno, if it comes back that he broke his left arm or something then he's obviously not just a puss.

That being said, with this OL he's going to get hit a lot. It's not like he goes out every time he gets hit but he's obviously not as tough as Carr was.

Whatever happens, with the injury bug constantly biting our OL we had better invest draft picks and a lot of money on the FA for the damn OL once and for all.
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This OL has played very good this year. They were #7 overall in giving up sacks. Yes, they are injured, but schaub hasn't been hit that much this year.
 
Yeah but how many hits has he taken?

I agree that he gets hurt a lot but it just takes one hit in the right spot to put someone out. Towards the end here Carr would go into the fetal position, I don't want Schaub doing that.
 
You're right about one thing: For all of his faults (and let's face it, he had to many to be a starting QB for any team), Carr could take an ass whooping when a defense would bring him a full can of it.

Schaub has potential to be a good QB, but I am beginning to wonder if he has what it takes to be a full time starter. He is very brittle and lacks the mental strength in clutch situations. He is a good bandage, but I am not sure if he is the future of this football team.
 
'cause Carr would fall just before the defense got to him, thus lessening the blow.
 
I don't know if Schaub is a wuss, but I can tell you that this team isn't going to move forward until it fixes the line problems on both sides of the ball.
 
you just need one good hit to knock someone out. landing on your shoulder with a 280 lbs man on you will mess your arm up now matter how tough you are.
 
raytex said:
This OL has played very good this year. They were #7 overall in giving up sacks. Yes, they are injured, but schaub hasn't been hit that much this year.
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A post I can agree with.

I'm off the Schaub wagon.

In today's NFL, you don't need 2-3 seasons to see if someone's going to make it.

Schaub needs perfect protection to get the ball away. He began the year showing that he could eek out of some pressure and get the ball away, and since the 2nd game of the season...he's been unable to do that.

I argues with people when they said Schaub was immobile. But they were right on the money--Schaub is sluggish getting away from the center, giving the dline an added advantage on the pass rush. Then, he's not showing the ability to sense the blindside pressure.

Even VY (as awful a QB as he is, IMO) was able to side-step the pressure and get the ball away.

Kubiak is probably regretting NOT putting his name in the hat for the A&M jobl. He probably would have been the better option for A&M.
 
OzzO said:
'cause Carr would fall just before the defense got to him, thus lessening the blow.
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it wasnt until season 4 of ass whoopins that he started doing that. this isnt even 1 full season and he has been on the sideline a bunch.

can we get a refund on those 2 2nd rounders.

sage the starter , carr the back up, 2 second rounders, and $47 million richer would have been better than what we have got so far.
 
OzzO said:
'cause Carr would fall just before the defense got to him, thus lessening the blow.
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A lot of times, yes. However, I've seen Carr get the crap knocked out of him plenty of times. Most of which he would just get up and keep going. Don't get me wrong, there isn't a time in which I've ever wanted Carr back...but I could only wish that Matt was as durable.
 
junior said:
it wasnt until season 4 of ass whoopins that he started doing that. this isnt even 1 full season and he has been on the sideline a bunch.

can we get a refund on those 2 2nd rounders.

sage the starter , carr the back up, 2 second rounders, and $47 million richer would have been better than what we have got so far.
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Gotta agree.

This is beginning to look like another dark cloud over our team.

I suspect the boards will be smoldering, charred, and in ruins when this season is over. There will be no end to the debate about how to fix this team.
 
junior said:
it wasnt until season 4 of ass whoopins that he started doing that. this isnt even 1 full season and he has been on the sideline a bunch.

can we get a refund on those 2 2nd rounders.

sage the starter , carr the back up, 2 second rounders, and $47 million richer would have been better than what we have got so far.
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Why the hell would you even want Carr back on the team. He wasn't even listed as the backup in Carolina today. Not only that but we would have to hear people say he should be playing still. No thanks. i like Schaub. I don't think someone is soft when they are just getting things dislocated or broken. I think Carr knew how to take a hit...maybe laying down, but I'd still rather have Schaub. The first time I'm all for drafting O-line high and getting it right. I mean is Favre a wuss and he got knocked out the other game. Its more a matter of how you are hit and where you land. This debate almost makes the board unbearable at times. JMO..people mneed to be more even keel on this whole thing.
 
I think of it this way:
Opposing defenses benefitted more with Carr in the game, so they put their effort into NOT hurting him when they gently lowered his instinctedly limp body to the turf.

Now defenses treat our QBs like a real QB, and they go head-hunting.
 
Schaub reminds me of Chris Chnandler. He is a good QB that cant stay healthy, thus all the teams save one, have done poorly.
 
Schaub appears to be an injury prone QB, and when you put someone like that behind our line, it's a reciepe for disaster. I don't know. I started out this season hating the Schaub trade, and then changed my mind and became a Schaub supporter. I reserve the right to change my mind again, but I'm waiting to see how the season plays out.

8-8 is not going to happen this year. We are losers once again.

But I still say we are in better shape now than we were a year ago at this time. There has been improvement in this team. The fact that we were dangling the playoffs before our eyes at one point in time this season proves that.

Another off season of trades and draft picks, and we'll be a better team. Again. But this year it's really true.
 
Here is my theory...to add on to above.

Carr was never a good QB and didn't have the QBing skills for the NFL but took the hits. The line didn't help/

Schaub has all the moxy and skills we need but has been hurt. Still has made plays downfield despite line but they don't help.

Get an O-line finally and see if we can make the guy who actually can play stay upright and help us out.

As for Schaubs toughness, from what I heard he played most of the first half of the season with bruised and battered linbs.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Here is my theory...to add on to above.

Carr was never a good QB and didn't have the QBing skills for the NFL but took the hits. The line didn't help/

Schaub has all the moxy and skills we need but has been hurt. Still has made plays downfield despite line but they don't help.

Get an O-line finally and see if we can make the guy who actually can play stay upright and help us out.

As for Schaubs toughness, from what I heard he played most of the first half of the season with bruised and battered linbs.
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IMO I believe Schaub is fragile and no matter how good he can be, a QB that rides the pine b/c he is always hurt is a useless good QB.

Some people are just more prone to injuries than other. For example Adrian Peterson seems to always get hurt.
 
raytex said:
This OL has played very good this year. They were #7 overall in giving up sacks. Yes, they are injured, but schaub hasn't been hit that much this year.
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No, Schaub performed as advertised and made them look better. He's now starting to look nervous in the pocket at times and getting hurt. Go figure.

This team so rarely has a good passing and a good running game during the same game, I don't see why this line is "very good".
 
Being #7 in sacks allowed doesn't account for the fact that Schaub gets rid of the ball abnormally quick on alot of plays and also the perception of a sack. If you know that Salaam can't block for more than 3 seconds, your going to mentally feel it coming.
 
Look guys, whatever happened to Schaub, it couldn't have come at a worse time. We need to be able to beat the Titans and the fact that Schaub can't finish a game against them looks really bad, not matter how you slice it. He's show that he can be a major force and a more consitent pocket passer than Carr but for ****** sake....you have to be able to beat the Titans!!! I'm just irrate that Schaub couldn't finish the game. I've looked forward to redemtion for a whole year and we lay a ******* egg. I still have faith in Schaub but his physical toughness is in question. My gosh man, it's only 17 sacks in 12 games, let's go Schaubby!!!!!!!!!
 
Right when I saw him go down I was thinking the same thing. He did land on the shoulder, so it didn't surprise me that he got hurt. I think he can take a hit, but I don't think he can take someone llanding on his shoulder.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Why the hell would you even want Carr back on the team. He wasn't even listed as the backup in Carolina today. Not only that but we would have to hear people say he should be playing still. No thanks. i like Schaub. I don't think someone is soft when they are just getting things dislocated or broken. I think Carr knew how to take a hit...maybe laying down, but I'd still rather have Schaub. The first time I'm all for drafting O-line high and getting it right. I mean is Favre a wuss and he got knocked out the other game. Its more a matter of how you are hit and where you land. This debate almost makes the board unbearable at times. JMO..people mneed to be more even keel on this whole thing.
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thats a great point ,favre hasnt missed a game in 13 years or something and ours has, great comparison.

and yes i would rather have carr as a back up this year plus 2 2nd rounders and all those millions. i thought then and still think that money was better spent somewhere else.

i hope i am proven wrong and i will say when i am but as of now its my opinion that i havent.
 
junior said:
thats a great point ,favre hasnt missed a game in 13 years or something and ours has, great comparison.

and yes i would rather have carr as a back up this year plus 2 2nd rounders and all those millions. i thought then and still think that money was better spent somewhere else.

i hope i am proven wrong and i will say when i am but as of now its my opinion that i havent.
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If Carr was our backup, who'd be our starter???? Rosenfels, Quinn, maybe even Carr????

Hooray for mediocrity (barely)! Seriously man, do you till think that Carr or a backup QB is the answer for our offense? No doubt we gave up some picks for Schaub, but it's safe to say that his poise in games has led to some victories. Had the previous regime/rookie QB been in, it would be insane in Houston. Your point won't hold any weight as long as Schaub continues to prove to Houston that he is a major upgrade, with half the learning curve. I do respect your opinion though.
 
BSofA04 said:
If Carr was our backup, who'd be our starter???? Rosenfels, Quinn, maybe even Carr????

Hooray for mediocrity (barely)! Seriously man, do you till think that Carr or a backup QB is the answer for our offense? No doubt we gave up some picks for Schaub, but it's safe to say that his poise in games has led to some victories. Had the previous regime/rookie QB been in, it would be insane in Houston. Your point won't hold any weight as long as Schaub continues to prove to Houston that he is a major upgrade, with half the learning curve. I do respect your opinion though.
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no i dont go read the first post, and you're right hooray for mediocrity. oh never mind we need 2 more wins for that.

major upgrade? 9 td 9 int and 5-7 vs. 10 td and 7 int and 4-8 last year. $47 million well spent i say.
 
junior said:
no i dont go read the first post, and you're right hooray for mediocrity. oh never mind we need 2 more wins for that.

major upgrade? 9 td 9 int and 5-7 vs. 10 td and 7 int and 4-8 last year. $47 million well spent i say.
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Do you want me to bust out the carr stats this season? Again, your argument holds no weight. 'Nuff said.
 
Staying on the field is a major part of being in the NFL. Whether unlucky or not right now there is a question as to whether or Schaub is going to be able to that.
 
BSofA04 said:
Do you want me to bust out the carr stats this season? Again, your argument holds no weight.
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that makes no sense, i am comparing qb's for the texans.

i swear some people only hear what they want to hear. go find 1 of my posts where i say carr is better than schaub, i say he is not a major upgrade, and your opinions are just that, all i gave you was facts. we can argue our opinions all day but RIGHT NOW the facts are that he is an upgrade , but not a major one.
 
junior said:
that makes no sense, i am comparing qb's for the texans.

i swear some people only hear what they want to hear. go find 1 of my posts where i say carr is better than schaub, i say he is not a major upgrade, and your opinions are just that, all i gave you was facts. we can argue our opinions all day but RIGHT NOW the facts are that he is an upgrade , but not a major one.
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But that was the basis for my previous post. Who would YOU rather have at QB???? Quinn, VY, Carr, Rosenfels or Schaub? I'd say the Schaub is a more polished passer than all of them and has a higher upside.

I understand that you don't think Schaub is a major upgrade, but my point is that he is. Consider the alternatives.
 
BSofA04 said:
But that was the basis for my previous post. Who would YOU rather have at QB???? Quinn, VY, Carr, Rosenfels or Schaub? I'd say the Schaub is a more polished passer than all of them and has a higher upside.
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just my opinion but i will take sage for now with those 2 2nd rounders and the money back. but thats all fantasy now.

this has been my opinion from the start, but i bet you would have to admit that to this point schaub has been a disappointment compared the hype and expectations that we all had.

make no mistake about this is all subject to change, he can turn out to be everything we were told he was or maybe this is it. and if it is then thats not good for the money and picks invested.

my opinion is not set, meaning that if he proves to be great i will say it and say i was wrong, but i didnt like the move and from what i have seen through 3/4 of the first season i still don't.
 
I'm willing to give Schaub another season, seeing as how this is his first season of a starter. He has shown moments of brilliance, and he has shown moments of complete ineptitude. I think he should get at least one more season, if only because there will be no adequate replacements for him in free agency next season (unless y'all would like to have Carr back on the roster).

With all of that said, the one thing that I am not willing to do is sit back for 5 years and watch a QB struggle. My patience is running thin, I don't want any more 5 year plans.
 
Everybody gets injured. It's too bad for Schaub. Things could be alot better next year for Schaub. His receivers will have more experience, hopefully they can remain healthy. Maybe we will have some new offensive lineman and some new running backs would be nice.

He got some pretty good experience this year. Started 11 games. Played what, 8 or 9 all the way through? I am assuming he is done for the year.

Schaub's stats for the year:

192/289 66.4% 2,241 yards 7.8 yards/attempt 9 TD 9 INT 16 sacks 7 fumble 3 lost. 87.2 Rating. 11 games played.

He is an upgrade at every aspect of quarterbacking over the last quarterback we had if you ask me. He had a pretty good first year starting. He made some clear mistakes, but did a hell of alot of good things to go with that. Schaub is one of the main reasons that some people can call our WR corps strong, or somewhat strong.

I'd also like to add that he had eight 200 yard passing games. Started the season with 6 of them in a row.
 
Thorn said:
Schaub appears to be an injury prone QB, and when you put someone like that behind our line, it's a reciepe for disaster. I don't know. I started out this season hating the Schaub trade, and then changed my mind and became a Schaub supporter. I reserve the right to change my mind again, but I'm waiting to see how the season plays out.

8-8 is not going to happen this year. We are losers once again.

But I still say we are in better shape now than we were a year ago at this time. There has been improvement in this team. The fact that we were dangling the playoffs before our eyes at one point in time this season proves that.

Another off season of trades and draft picks, and we'll be a better team. Again. But this year it's really true.
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Kubes, is that you?
 
The1ApplePie said:
Brady Quinn + 2 second rounders is better than Fragile Matty
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And you base that on what, EXACTLY? Given that Quinn can't beat out Derek Anderson.

question #2: How do you know that Quinn wouldn't be just as or more "fragile" than some of you say Schaub is?

Now, having said that, I fall back to my std Schaub statement: Yes, he is two 2nd round picks better than Carr. I'm not yet convinced he's two 2nd round picks better than Sage.
 
Does anyone else see the flaw in this whole thread? Everyone is talking about an upgrade over Carr? Are you kidding me. Anyone is better than Carr, even a 44 year old who was sitting at home enjoying retirement.

This team should be better. Schaub has lost us games as well as won a few. He is fragile. Very, very fragile. The line has done a pretty good job this year considering the injuries.

I am just tired of the Denver mentality. We need to get our own and quit thinking about how they would have handled it in Denver. It is time for Kubes to get his own identity.
 
junior said:
thats a great point ,favre hasnt missed a game in 13 years or something and ours has, great comparison.

and yes i would rather have carr as a back up this year plus 2 2nd rounders and all those millions. i thought then and still think that money was better spent somewhere else.

i hope i am proven wrong and i will say when i am but as of now its my opinion that i havent.
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I'm just saying people take hits.

All those millions?The investment of guaranteed money isn't even that bad...7 million. We were going to draft a QB so there is one 2nd rounder. You'd rather have Carr and all the questions and infighting we dealt with for years?That is ridiculous. You forget that we are going to get a break on his salary too. That guy isn't even close to Schaub. I' don't like the injuries but if you don't think he has looked good despite losing his #1 receiver and center you aren't watching football or you are with a jaded eye.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Staying on the field is a major part of being in the NFL. Whether unlucky or not right now there is a question as to whether or Schaub is going to be able to that.
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Fair point.

I also think the coaching staff didn't do him any favors. The Texans throw the ball a lot in circumstances where they don't need to. That is a dangerous approach to take with a Haynesworth-included Titan defensive line that has played very well against the league and the Texans in particular.

An example, proving my point:

It's 2nd and 3, sloppy weather, and Schaub tries to get a ball off and gets hit in the hand as he is throwing the ball. Even if that isn't killing him, you might want to run the next play just to give him and the line more of a breather put the Titans more on their heels.

So then it is 3rd and 3, the Titans bring it, and Schaub gets crushed on the blindside.

They give lip service to the running game and then they don't run in circumstances where they can.

I like the sets where they run when the wide receivers/tight ends are spread, and not so much running that power I crap, because the Texans line is not going to overpower many opposing lines when those guys know you are more likely than not going to run.

Anybody playing the quarterback position for the Texans is going to be vulnerable until the Texans get a legitimate take-it-to-the-house, consistent positive yardage threat at the running back position. Dayne is doing an admirable job with his skill sets, but defenses know what he can't do.

Brett Favre and Tom Brady can sorta make do without much of a running game, but they are pretty unique guys combined with a defense that can hold down the fort without a time chewing running game. And even Favre is going to be hard pressed to come back from the pasting he took from the Cowboys.

For the rest of the season the Texans are in survival mode. Kubiak last spring in SI spoke the truth that the Texans were going to need a few more offseasons to get their rosters more playoff caliber. But they also need some huge luck--hoping that the decent players they already have don't get killed before that happens.

/still bummed about Dunta, now bummed about Weary
 
Texans_Chick said:
Fair point.

I also think the coaching staff didn't do him any favors. The Texans throw the ball a lot in circumstances where they don't need to. That is a dangerous approach to take with a Haynesworth-included Titan defensive line that has played very well against the league and the Texans in particular.

An example, proving my point:

It's 2nd and 3, sloppy weather, and Schaub tries to get a ball off and gets hit in the hand as he is throwing the ball. Even if that isn't killing him, you might want to run the next play just to give him and the line more of a breather put the Titans more on their heels.

So then it is 3rd and 3, the Titans bring it, and Schaub gets crushed on the blindside.

They give lip service to the running game and then they don't run in circumstances where they can.

I like the sets where they run when the wide receivers/tight ends are spread, and not so much running that power I crap, because the Texans line is not going to overpower many opposing lines when those guys know you are more likely than not going to run.

Anybody playing the quarterback position for the Texans is going to be vulnerable until the Texans get a legitimate take-it-to-the-house, consistent positive yardage threat at the running back position. Dayne is doing an admirable job with his skill sets, but defenses know what he can't do.

Brett Favre and Tom Brady can sorta make do without much of a running game, but they are pretty unique guys combined with a defense that can hold down the fort without a time chewing running game. And even Favre is going to be hard pressed to come back from the pasting he took from the Cowboys.

For the rest of the season the Texans are in survival mode. Kubiak last spring in SI spoke the truth that the Texans were going to need a few more offseasons to get their rosters more playoff caliber. But they also need some huge luck--hoping that the decent players they already have don't get killed before that happens.

/still bummed about Dunta, now bummed about Weary
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Could not agree more TC. Some will say O-line, etc but I think teams know we have to throw at a certain point and they just pin their ears back and tee off. There is no one to keep them honest.
 
Texans_Chick said:
It's 2nd and 3, sloppy weather, and Schaub tries to get a ball off and gets hit in the hand as he is throwing the ball. Even if that isn't killing him, you might want to run the next play just to give him and the line more of a breather put the Titans more on their heels.

So then it is 3rd and 3, the Titans bring it, and Schaub gets crushed on the blindside.

They give lip service to the running game and then they don't run in circumstances where they can.
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excatly. I was so mad @ the play calling in that situation, looked to me that Schaub wasn't all there after being jammed, the pocket was collapsing bad then try & move out of the pocket with backside pursuit = disaster :shades:
 
ObsiWan said:
And you base that on what, EXACTLY? Given that Quinn can't beat out Derek Anderson.

question #2: How do you know that Quinn wouldn't be just as or more "fragile" than some of you say Schaub is?

Now, having said that, I fall back to my std Schaub statement: Yes, he is two 2nd round picks better than Carr. I'm not yet convinced he's two 2nd round picks better than Sage.
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There aren't too many QBs that could beat out Anderson right now.

2. Could he really take a hit worse than Schaub? He got decked plenty of times at ND and kept getting up.

I agree with your statment about being 2 second rounders better than Carr, but he and Sage may be in a dead heat.
 
Hagar said:
I don't know if Schaub is a wuss, but I can tell you that this team isn't going to move forward until it fixes the line problems on both sides of the ball.
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I agree. No protection and no consistent pressure will never allow us to run any game plan. The battle is won/lost in the trenches, and after 6 dismal seasons, the Texans FO still can't figure out such fundamental concepts of controlling the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

Back the drawing board for another couple of years. Wake me when they [eventually] string three wins in a row together. Monumental task as that appears to be.
 
Double Barrel said:
I agree. No protection and no consistent pressure will never allow us to run any game plan. The battle is won/lost in the trenches, and after 6 dismal seasons, the Texans FO still can't figure out such fundamental concepts of controlling the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

Back the drawing board for another couple of years. Wake me when they [eventually] string three wins in a row together. Monumental task as that appears to be.
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They need to survive the rest of the season. Just survive.

Hard to build for the future in the offseason when your solid players are going down to injury.
 
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