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1st Round Draft Needs

How should the Texans draft in the first round?

  • Running Back

    Votes: 14 23.0%

  • Secondary

    Votes: 14 23.0%

  • Offensive Line

    Votes: 31 50.8%

  • Defensive Line

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Linebacker

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Fullback

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • Tight End

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Wide Receiver

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Quarterback

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    61
  • Poll closed .
Mr. White

Mr. White

Retired OLine Coach
I know it's a little early to start this party, but I don't think it's a bad idea to get a preliminary assessment of what you guys think we should do in the first round.

You guys know that Texans fans are used to talking about the draft in December anyway.

I know Rick Smith talks about taking BPA in the first round, but you gotta admit that we have needs.

What do you guys think?
 
I'll start. We need to get the run game going to eat up clock.

I think we need an outside runner and let "Ronnie" get the carries between the tackles since he's gonna get 'em anyway.

I'm sure a DeAngelo Williams type RB will be available in the middle of the first round when we're up.
 
I chose OL over RB mainly because we need to remember that most RBs do not last more than 3 or 4 years. It all depends on the player though, and I'm just barely off of my "I want DBs!!!!!:bat:" phase. I could revert.
 
it depends who is available, but i want an offensive tackle unless a stud corner back is available. running back can be addressed through free agency or in the third round.
 
Many teams have shown that a great offensive line can make any average joe with a little speed and vision look great. I say OL. Look what Hutch did for the Vikings, and how much he's crippled Shaun Alexander
 
I voted Offensive Line as well. I think it's about time to get a 1st round talent Left Tackle to (a) Give Schaub that 1 extra second to throw (b) not allow Schaub to get leveled when he throws the ball and (c) create some holes for our RB's.

There are arguements for most positions, and there are those that say...oh we won't draft 'position x' in the first round. I think anything is up for grabs pretty much.

I can't wait until our DL develops and becomes absolutely dominant. I'd like for us to build our Offensive Line up to be just as dominating. That's the key to consistently winning (through the trenches). Ain't sexy but the Lombardi Trophy sure is and if you want more than one...you better have a stellar OL & DL.
 
I think it all depends where you are picking and what's available. You just don't draft an OL just becasue you need an OL when there is a better quality pick at RB or secondary and vice-versa. We don't know where we will be picking. Anywhere from 5th to 15th, I think.
 
Left tackle. Its time to get our anchor. Though, I do like the idea of maybe trading down and getting a 2nd round pick. The only other thing I would even consider is if McFadden starts to slip a little bit, I would seriously consider trying to move up and snake him. He would be the perfect face to our franchise. Hes like Reggie, but has a body to play Rb and a lot better skill set.
 
tulexan said:
it depends who is available, but i want an offensive tackle unless a stud corner back is available. running back can be addressed through free agency or in the third round.
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This is where I'm at also. Love to have Loadholt or Clady. Loadholt...I don't know where they'd move Winston...but I also know we wouldn't have to worry about forth and one anymore. And I'm not posting that the stuff in Cleveland was Erick's fault. Something this off season has to improve along the oline. Okoye on the board, Levi Brown off, I get it. No excuse not to upgrde the tallent this year. Got the cap room. Need to get younger quicker, and stronger in the o-line.

TBS...get into the third round you're gambling on transiton level of the CBs. Scouts better do heck of job agian if your waiting on the cover corner to be on line by October. September in '08 could get very messy if the new corner is suspect and Robinson is PUPed. We already know what we got as back ups. The corners and DBs who have the chance to paly corner, are going to fly off the board so fast in the second and top of the third our heads will spin. Might find another Bennit. Cleveland certianly found one in the fifth with McDonald.

If they draft Strewart...I'll be on board. I think you have a better shot at getting Stewart in the third than you do a lock down corner in the third. and I also believe you get the same package with the South Carolina guy as you do with Stewart. You'll need to get some meds for the south carolina guy no doubt, but he'll work. He's very imature but he'll work.
 
raytex said:
I think it all depends where you are picking and what's available. You just don't draft an OL just becasue you need an OL when there is a better quality pick at RB or secondary and vice-versa. We don't know where we will be picking. Anywhere from 5th to 15th, I think.
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I guess it's more unwritten, but assume the question is..."What position do you want to be BPA when we're up to select?"

Honoring Earl 34 said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html?pagewanted=all
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Ole Miss is set up to really make a run at things next season, they will surprise a lot of people. They are returning a vast majority of their starters including (most likely) both Tackles and Guards on the OL. Snead is set to take over at QB, the top 5 wr's are going to be sophomores and juniors, all linebackers, etc. Add in Houston Nutt as the new Head Coach...

Things are really pointing to Mike Oher staying in school. (I hope so!) He could use some more development and would really help the team succeed. I think he'll be a top 10 lock in the 2009 draft if he stays.... but if he so decides to declare I would be very supportive of him being our 1st round selection. At this point I think their are other LT's that are more polished but he's got an incredible amount of potential.

Great story for those that havn't read it...
 
I didn't vote because you posted Corner...and not cover corner. and there is a BIG difference. The difference is how much your team can chance bringing five and six instead of four. Guess what we got right now ?
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I guess it's more unwritten, but assume the question is..."What position do you want to be BPA when we're up to select?"



Ole Miss is set up to really make a run at things next season, they will surprise a lot of people. They are returning a vast majority of their starters including (most likely) both Tackles and Guards on the OL. Snead is set to take over at QB, the top 5 wr's are going to be sophomores and juniors, all linebackers, etc. Add in Houston Nutt as the new Head Coach...

Things are really pointing to Mike Oher staying in school. (I hope so!) He could use some more development and would really help the team succeed. I think he'll be a top 10 lock in the 2009 draft if he stays.... but if he so decides to declare I would be very supportive of him being our 1st round selection. At this point I think their are other LT's that are more polished but he's got an incredible amount of potential.

Great story for those that havn't read it...
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Congrates on the Houston Nutt hire. I think he'll be well motivted to prove himself. Hope those that love Micheal Oher will express that love with a policy on the kid for injuries in '08. I always think that it is best to finish out your degree. Just hope he gets coverge for a worst case scenario. I agree. I've only seen him twice. He is not ready yet and would probbly sit in '08.

TBS, he's on the board I would hope the Texans would pull the trigger on the guy.
 
tulexan said:
Sorry I don't have a hard on for Jonathan Stewart
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Felix Jones looked impressive to me but with McFadden he doesn't get the touches. down on the goal line however they tended to feed him the ball which means he has power, explosiveness & hangs onto the ball, all upgrades to this Texans roster as it stands. if Spencer can't return & play LT then I have no problem going after the best one available in the 1st rd. but until then I'm not willing to give up hope he can still play.

concerning LT prospects Michael Oher, Mississippi is the most intriquing prospect. but the optimum solution (other than addressing RB) is trading down & taking a cover corner late 1st & using a 2nd rd selection (picked up in a trade down) on another LT from Pitt Jeff Otah he is cut from the same mold as Charles, big, massive & bruising :bowser: check him out this weekend against #2 West Virginia :)
 
Just to let everyone know I voted for the fullback option. Seriously though, we need help everywhere. Starting with the o-line which has played better but we can still use a left tackle. Secondary obviously needs help with Dunta's situation up in the air. We need talent at the runningback position. We could use another outside linebacker.
 
I say we need to draft a center or left tackle with our first pick. However, if all the elite tackles and centers are gone, I'm for a running back or DB. A WLB would be nice too.
 
I'm torn between the Top 3. I always hated the thought of drafting O-line. I thought if we were running Denver's system then we could draft 2-3 round O-linemen. Still could but I know it is up there. DBs are high on my list too. But I'd be remiss if we go another season and have to watch old and hurt RBs or ones that don't help us complete our passing/running game. It just bugs me every week that we have no real answer or a longer term one.
 
Think on this, Ahman Green has one more year of $3+million. We usually go with injured players for longer than one year if it is thought they can recover next season. Green played in 5 games in 2005 after four straight pro bowls. In 2006 he went for over 1,000 yds @ GBay. If healthy, he will be on team next year. If Ron Dayne continues to pull a 2006 and avg close to 100yds/game rest of this season he will be on team. Walker and Eche are non factors as of today as neither can get on field. Unless Mcfadden is at our pick, no RB in first round. LT: management hoped Spencer would be back this season and forced a back up to be a starter and a never was (Jordan Black) to be the alternate. This move was made on a player (CS) that had not played three games as a pro being the answer @LT. Why should this change as Spencer is closer to being on field than last off season? CB: Bennett has looked good and Dunte supposedly has a less serious injury than CS. So using philosophy from 2006, DR will be our starter in 08, so we do not need a CB. Kubiac has stated that he is ok with our safeties and actually CC, Von and Demps have done better than I expected. LB: Morlon is "steady", Ryans is "all everything" and Diles could be moved to OLB as he has size of Ryans and many posters have argued the move to OLB for Demeco. So, we draft a DE in first round that can pressure the QB and tie up more than one player. Especially as this one should be somewhat cheaper than the last DE we drafted.

What I want? Asante Samuel CB in free agency. I was leaning towards Juilius Jones from Dallas for RB but last two games turned me off. We have the money to make two significant moves. I do not agree with others that much is available in FA this year, just our luck.

1st round: If no McFadden and no one can guarantee this, we pray for a trade down that get us a second round. I'd pick Clady or Sam Baker (off year but I did hear he has been injured) for LT. It doesn't matter if CS makes it back or not, our two LT now need to go. If Kubes thought Pitss or inston was better, guess what?
2nd round: several RBs to select from. Rice, Felix Jones, Hart, Ian Johnson, Stewart all in over 32nd best player per Draft Insiders' Digest of best top 50 as of Nov 9th.
3rd round:Best Free Safety available
4th round: Best center (unless White steps up last five games)
5th round: Best OLB

It will be interesting to see how Bennett and Von Hutchins do the rest of season with Demps @ FS.
 
With all the money supposedly coming in this next year, I could see a linebacker being bought in free agency. The position that will help this team the most is LT. A dominant LT opens up the run game and the pass game, and the longer the offense is on the field, the better for the defense.

Now, what do I think they'll take? Easy. Safety. I think the Texans like Dunta coming back, and they like what they see in Bennett (we'll see how that looks in five more games). But for now, I think the Texans believe they have their corners. They'll take the safety and try to get one more year out of the o-line, which has (knock on wood) been relatively injury-free this year compared to last.

Maybe the Texans will take LT in the third like they did with Spencer/Winston.
 
Texans Horror said:
With all the money supposedly coming in this next year, I could see a linebacker being bought in free agency. The position that will help this team the most is LT. A dominant LT opens up the run game and the pass game, and the longer the offense is on the field, the better for the defense.

Now, what do I think they'll take? Easy. Safety. I think the Texans like Dunta coming back, and they like what they see in Bennett (we'll see how that looks in five more games). But for now, I think the Texans believe they have their corners. They'll take the safety and try to get one more year out of the o-line, which has (knock on wood) been relatively injury-free this year compared to last.

Maybe the Texans will take LT in the third like they did with Spencer/Winston.
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What OLB is available as an upgrade in free agency? thanks.
 
Nawzer said:
Just to let everyone know I voted for the fullback option. Seriously though, we need help everywhere. Starting with the o-line which has played better but we can still use a left tackle. Secondary obviously needs help with Dunta's situation up in the air. We need talent at the runningback position. We could use another outside linebacker.
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If we had a 2nd round pick, I would definitely consider using it on Owen Schmitt. He has the potential to be a once in a generation FB.
 
threetoedpete said:
I didn't vote because you posted Corner...and not cover corner. and there is a BIG difference. The difference is how much your team can chance bringing five and six instead of four. Guess what we got right now ?
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I didn't post corner, cover corner, 90 degree corner, free safety, strong safety, safety shoes, or safety glasses.

I posted "Secondary" because that word should account for any and all DBs.

My feelings aren't too hurt that you didn't vote. You're usually yelling for the next stud LT by the end of each preseason, so I've got a pretty good idea where you stand.

:sumo:
 
badboy said:
Weak side linebcker playing for $7.2 million. A great pick up but I do not see Texans replacing Morlon Greenwood to incur that type of contract. I don't see Briggs at strong. Do you?
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Do you see Greenwood making the team next year? The way I see it, we need an upgrade at both OLB positions. He would be a hell of an upgrade, IMO. Then we can work on the strong side OLB. Wouldnt you feel 100% better with Briggs -Ryans- and X then Greenwood -Ryans -and X?
 
What I see from my tree is a coach who does not throw verterans under the bus. Draw you own conclusions. Brigs is going to be 8 mill a year. Samuels ten.
Not saying they are not worth it...just saying.

If I was a verten FA I'd be fighting to get onto this roster. Owner pays like a broken slot and the coach hangs with you no matter how much it hurts or how much you stink.

Why should this change as Spencer is closer to being on field than last off season? CB: Bennett has looked good and Dunte supposedly has a less serious injury than CS.
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The last quote I heard on CS was that they were hopefull that he could continue his career.
That isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. You may well be correct....because he also said befor the last draft they'd do everything possible to keep MS healthy, then they promptly went out and drafted a DT.

The last I heard, and I know of no one who has seen a post op prognoisis on Dante...the estimate went from six to eight to eight to twelve months...and that little jump happened within a week of the operation. I know I'm reading tea leaves here...but that little jump can't be good. Maybe he's a fast healer ? Bottom line is the club is expecting him to be out untill August. Draw you own conclusions as to if that is dire straights or not. Petey starting, proving once again he can not start, has no appeal to me. Been there done that.
 
threetoedpete said:
What I see from my tree is a coach who does not throw verterans under the bus. Draw you own conclusions. Brigs is going to be 8 mill a year. Samuels ten.
Not saying they are not worth it...just saying.

If I was a verten FA I'd be fighting to get onto this roster. Owner pays like a broken slot and the coach hangs with you no matter how much it hurts or how much you stink.
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Samuel at $10 m would have me screaming "sold"! That would be a great deal. I like Briggs even at $8m. However, WLB is not a hole. Greenwood is consistent and steady and will not be replaced next year. Use the $8- 10 million after sign Asante to fill a bigger need. Not sure who that is as I am not optimistic on the FA "crop".
 
I know I do not want to begin 2008 regular season hoping Spencer and DR are going to be the starter. It is too late then as it is with Green game by game.

Even without a 2nd round selection, we should be able to address LT, CB and one other position in draft. I don't see Kubes going for a FS or RB higher than 5th round unless there is a trade down. As for starters in FA, I see Samuel @ CB nothing else. Not saying there will not be others signed just nothing very significant. Those type players under Smith have been helpful but not starters.
 
You're right. Nothing else (besides Briggs) is coming up on the radar for LB. While LB would be cool, I'd rather they draft a top-of-the-line Safety or Cornerback. However, the Texans have a pretty clear path they take, which is usually to free-agent their biggest needs and just go with the best defensive player available at their spot. Keeping that in mind, I would not be surprised to see a safety and left tackle bought in free agency, and then the Texans drafting something like a linebacker in the first round.
 
If they bite on the seventy million dollar apple with Asnate why would they draft another Db in the first ? I don't see that at all. I'll believe a free Saftey when they call it off the card at the draft. Now the OU kid, Tennesse St. Kid, south Florida kid... they kinda kill two birds with one stone. But again if they got Samuels locked up I don't think they will double dip.
 
Texans Horror said:
You're right. Nothing else (besides Briggs) is coming up on the radar for LB. While LB would be cool, I'd rather they draft a top-of-the-line Safety or Cornerback. However, the Texans have a pretty clear path they take, which is usually to free-agent their biggest needs and just go with the best defensive player available at their spot. Keeping that in mind, I would not be surprised to see a safety and left tackle bought in free agency, and then the Texans drafting something like a linebacker in the first round.
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I would be happy with Karlos Dansby and Calvin Pace coming here. Pace is huge at 272, and Dansby is a stud, not at Briggs level. And his old coach is here, Bush.
 
threetoedpete said:
If they bite on the seventy million dollar apple with Asnate why would they draft another Db in the first ? I don't see that at all. I'll believe a free Saftey when they call it off the card at the draft. Now the OU kid, Tennesse St. Kid, south Florida kid... they kinda kill two birds with one stone. But again if they got Samuels locked up I don't think they will double dip.
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I agree, if they get Samuel and Bennett continues we should be set. If Dunte comes back at full speed, even better. I also hope Hutchins continues well. If we have a strong set of CBs, safety is less an issue. A CB in FA fills a hole and strengthens every other defensive position. This allows the team to draft strong for offense & should make 2008 very interesting. Also, remember we got Diles in the 7th. We could strengthen our hand with continued good choices in later rounds. Starters in 1st, 3rd and 4th and then quality depth 5th, 6th and 7th. Casserly was enamored with trading late picks for the following season and moving up a round. I really like Smith using his picks for significant players like Studdard and Frye.
 
badboy said:
Samuel at $10 m would have me screaming "sold"! That would be a great deal. I like Briggs even at $8m. However, WLB is not a hole. Greenwood is consistent and steady and will not be replaced next year. Use the $8- 10 million after sign Asante to fill a bigger need. Not sure who that is as I am not optimistic on the FA "crop".
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By servicable, you mean gets beat in coverage and gets a tackle 6 yrds down field? Im tired of those type of players. Im ready for a take over the game type LB not named Ryans.
 
If the team is looking to shift more to the 3-4 (or hybrid) then Conner might be the pick.

Conner and Ryans in the middle with Mario playing one OLB could be beast worthy.
 
badboy said:
Greenwood is consistent and steady and will not be replaced next year.
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Greenwood gets beat on screen plays regularly, and also does not make the tackles needed to take down runners that go around the outside. If Ryans wasn't in the middle, then Greenwood would look a lot worse than he already does.

He is a quality backup in this league, definitely not a starter. Briggs would be so much of an upgrade over Greenwood that our defense would probably be talked about in the same respects that Green Bay's defense is now.
 
Mr. White said:
I didn't post corner, cover corner, 90 degree corner, free safety, strong safety, safety shoes, or safety glasses.

I posted "Secondary" because that word should account for any and all DBs.

My feelings aren't too hurt that you didn't vote. You're usually yelling for the next stud LT by the end of each preseason, so I've got a pretty good idea where you stand.

:sumo:
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Well there's a difference between someone who can cover a WR on an Island and someone who must drop back all the time in a cover two. We got plenty of tampa two guys. We're loaded with them. How do you like them so far ?

If they draft a cover two guy...don't wanna hear no more crying about how much they send the blitz.

PFW has a write up on the o-lineman..Depends which Jrs. come out how strong the class will be. got three guys with the red crosses on them...If we're drafting DBs or RBs in the first....those are your guys. Might luck out once again. I bet if cody wallace is floating around in the fifth we take the guy.
I like the Marshal center but he must suck to them. He isn't on their list.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2007/positionrptOL.htm
 
b0ng said:
Greenwood gets beat on screen plays regularly, and also does not make the tackles needed to take down runners that go around the outside. If Ryans wasn't in the middle, then Greenwood would look a lot worse than he already does.

He is a quality backup in this league, definitely not a starter. Briggs would be so much of an upgrade over Greenwood that our defense would probably be talked about in the same respects that Green Bay's defense is now.
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Brilliant. Its time to get someone like that. We have spent big money before, but on 2nd to 3rd tier players. With us missung the 2nd rounder, we have to spend a little money to improve us enough to take over the 2nd spot in the AFC South, let alone take over the lead. And betwen Briggs and Samuels, Briggs is the guy I would like to get in here.
 
b0ng said:
Greenwood gets beat on screen plays regularly, and also does not make the tackles needed to take down runners that go around the outside. If Ryans wasn't in the middle, then Greenwood would look a lot worse than he already does.

He is a quality backup in this league, definitely not a starter. Briggs would be so much of an upgrade over Greenwood that our defense would probably be talked about in the same respects that Green Bay's defense is now.
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You guys will not get an arguement from me about comments on Morlon. However, my post indicated he will not be replaced as Kubes is satisifed. Briggs will command at least $8million a year. If he and Samuel are both signed I am ok with it but do not see that happening. You fill big holes first then small holes in my philosophy. Some years you can do both but I do not see that in this off season.
 
tulexan said:
If we had a 2nd round pick, I would definitely consider using it on Owen Schmitt. He has the potential to be a once in a generation FB.
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A few draft boards has him in the 4-5th round.

But heck yeah, if he has broken 10 facemasks already, he'll be worth a long look.
 
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