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The Fire Richard Smith (DC) Thread

Yankee_In_TX

Yankee_In_TX

Dance Lindsay!
Seriously. If he was playing Madden, he would pick the same defensive play 40 times, then change it, get a sack, then go back to the first play the entire rest of the game.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Seriously. If he was playing Madden, he would pick the same defensive play 40 times, then change it, get a sack, then go back to the first play the entire rest of the game.
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Hold up dawg!! Rick Smith is our GM!!
You mean fire RICHARD Smith.
don't get it twisted

And the fact that 10 posts got submitted before anyone corrected that glaring error kinda irritates me.
 
I don't think firing Rick Smith will make our D better. :)

Firing Richard Smith, on the other hand, could make our D better, our O better, our paraphanelia sell better, our uniforms look better, and our cheerleaders hotter. I think it might even make global warming go away.
 
I was hoping they'd let Richard Smith go last off-season, but then there were those stats that everyone kept saying indicates his D was getting better.
 
It's pretty bad when an opposing player (Winslow) calls your defense "vanilla" before you play.
 
I think this calls for the pink soap again. We seem to have a general opinion of what we want done to him, at least football wise, so I feel we should break out the pink soap again.

Any others with me on this thought?
 
Double Barrel said:
I was hoping they'd let Richard Smith go last off-season, but then there were those stats that everyone kept saying indicates his D was getting better.
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The defense was so awful the first three games, like historically awful, that it could only get better.

By the end of the season, the Texans were, as a general rule playing worse competition. The Colts were good, but the Texans barely slowed them down--it was the Dayne Train that kept them off the field.

I do not want Richard Smith as the defensive coordinator next year. Nor would I like Frank Bush just to be promoted. I want the Texans to find someone who is a defensive specialist with a track record of success running a defense and pay them big money. Who are the options out there?

If you have an offensive minded head coach, you need a stud DC to give the job to so you don't have to think about it.

I recognize that the Texans offense has been doing no favors to the defense by turning the ball over. But at the same time, the defensive scheme is like my husband going to Baskin-Robbins. He always orders vanilla with nothing on it, even though there's tons of flavors. That's just wrong.
 
HJam72 said:
I don't think firing Rick Smith will make our D better. :)

Firing Richard Smith, on the other hand, could make our D better, our O better, our paraphanelia sell better, our uniforms look better, and our cheerleaders hotter. I think it might even make global warming go away.
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Did you kill your kids? :bat:
 
Leahmic223 said:
How about when we blitzed the falcons all game long only to get burned on short passes all game long...

Yeah I'm hoping some staff changes are made.
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wait...we blitzed the Falcons? I don't remember any pressure on Harrington. ? Now what the Eagles were doing to the Pats last night - THAT was blitzing.
 
Would have been a lot easier to never hire the guy in the first place.

Hundreds of quality defensive coordinators out there, and Richard Smith was the only guy we could hire?

BIG MONEY can net you a top-notch d-coordinator. I saw the hiring of Richard Smith for exactly what it was, and still is today: Penny-pinching by McNair.

There's no cap on coaching salaries. You can spend a billion dollars if you want to.

LOL. I can't wait to see how this offseason goes. We can get all the high-profile free agent players we can get our hands on, and it won't matter if we have poor coaching.
 
GP said:
Would have been a lot easier to never hire the guy in the first place.

Hundreds of quality defensive coordinators out there, and Richard Smith was the only guy we could hire?

BIG MONEY can net you a top-notch d-coordinator. I saw the hiring of Richard Smith for exactly what it was, and still is today: Penny-pinching by McNair.

There's no cap on coaching salaries. You can spend a billion dollars if you want to.

LOL. I can't wait to see how this offseason goes. We can get all the high-profile free agent players we can get our hands on, and it won't matter if we have poor coaching.
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Who was better at the time?

Kubiak had sort of a late start hiring staff because of Denver being in the playoffs that year.

As I recall, there weren't any candidates out there at the time that made me say, "dang, I wish we would have got that guy."
 
GP said:
Would have been a lot easier to never hire the guy in the first place.

Hundreds of quality defensive coordinators out there, and Richard Smith was the only guy we could hire?

BIG MONEY can net you a top-notch d-coordinator. I saw the hiring of Richard Smith for exactly what it was, and still is today: Penny-pinching by McNair.

There's no cap on coaching salaries. You can spend a billion dollars if you want to.

LOL. I can't wait to see how this offseason goes. We can get all the high-profile free agent players we can get our hands on, and it won't matter if we have poor coaching.
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There's plenty to criticize regarding the Texan organization and Bob McNair. However, calling him a penny-pincher shows that you have no concern for the truth- either as a result of enormous ignorance or a simple lack of integrity.

Bob McNair put up $700 million to build a great stadium, HOPING the NFL would grant Houston a franchise over L.A.

Furthermore, what players have we lost because we wouldn't pay them? We've certainly overpaid a number of marginal players. I've never seen any indication that management has been handcuffed by any economic issue other than the salary cap. If anything, we've mismanaged the cap. We were certainly hampered this offseason by cap room- while that does indicate a level of incompetence, certainly it doesn't indicate frugality.
 
Shoulda just hired Jim Bates when they had the chance. Maybe his Packer has-beens would have been better than Sherman's.
 
GP said:
Would have been a lot easier to never hire the guy in the first place.

Hundreds of quality defensive coordinators out there, and Richard Smith was the only guy we could hire?

BIG MONEY can net you a top-notch d-coordinator. I saw the hiring of Richard Smith for exactly what it was, and still is today: Penny-pinching by McNair.

There's no cap on coaching salaries. You can spend a billion dollars if you want to.

LOL. I can't wait to see how this offseason goes. We can get all the high-profile free agent players we can get our hands on, and it won't matter if we have poor coaching.
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dalemurphy said:
There's plenty to criticize regarding the Texan organization and Bob McNair. However, calling him a penny-pincher shows that you have no concern for the truth- either as a result of enormous ignorance or a simple lack of integrity.

Bob McNair put up $700 million to build a great stadium, HOPING the NFL would grant Houston a franchise over L.A.

Furthermore, what players have we lost because we wouldn't pay them? We've certainly overpaid a number of marginal players. I've never seen any indication that management has been handcuffed by any economic issue other than the salary cap. If anything, we've mismanaged the cap. We were certainly hampered this offseason by cap room- while that does indicate a level of incompetence, certainly it doesn't indicate frugality.
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He was complaining about the exact same thing in another thread. And he has never really given another option as a DC that would have been better at the time and has not given a reason as to why Mcnair is a penny pincher except that we supposedly don't pay coaches. I don't know how he would actually know either way how much a coach is getting paid. I don't think it was publicized what any of our coordinators were being paid.

Correct me if I am wrong.
 
dalemurphy said:
There's plenty to criticize regarding the Texan organization and Bob McNair. However, calling him a penny-pincher shows that you have no concern for the truth- either as a result of enormous ignorance or a simple lack of integrity.

Bob McNair put up $700 million to build a great stadium, HOPING the NFL would grant Houston a franchise over L.A.

Furthermore, what players have we lost because we wouldn't pay them? We've certainly overpaid a number of marginal players. I've never seen any indication that management has been handcuffed by any economic issue other than the salary cap. If anything, we've mismanaged the cap. We were certainly hampered this offseason by cap room- while that does indicate a level of incompetence, certainly it doesn't indicate frugality.
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McNair didn't spend $700 million until AFTER Houston was granted team.

We have lost Steve Foley, Aaron Glenn, and Jamie Sharper because McNair/Casserley didn't want to pay them. We also drafted Mario partly because Bob didn't want a holdout with Bush (penny pinching basically).

We have failed to attain any top Free Agents due to him penny pinching but resigned losers like David Carr to max extensions.

We probably have the cheapest coaching staff in the NFL behind Buffalo. No one is making top dollar and it shows on the field.

McNair spent a lot of money to get the team here, of that there is no question. But he has done little to help the team since then. He needs to open up the wallet and hire some top coaching (INCLUDING HEAD COACH) if he wants this franchise to turn the corner. Both our coordinators were pretty bad and our head coach is basically a glorified OC. A good OC but not a good Head Coach. He looks completely overwhelmed and has since Day One. All I need to know is that Gary thought Carr could succeed. That alone shows that Gary doesnt know his arse from a hole in the ground.

Hire Cowher as HC
Hire LeBeau as DC
Sign Faneca as FA
Bring Joey Porter over from Miami for $$ and to reunite with Cowher/LeBeau
Draft a RB

if we do those things, we will be in the playoffs next year without a doubt...but we won't. Gary is here for at least 2 more years, so prepare for more suckitude.
 
There are a few guys we should have on speed dial at the end of the year.

1. Ron Rivera
2. Marvin Lewis - Cinci will probably fire him at the end of the year.
3. John Fox- See Marvin Lewis

All three of those guys have coached and helped put together solid to great defenses. Thsoe 3 are a good start but they'll prolly command a big salary and i really hope McNair is willing to shell out for it.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
McNair didn't spend $700 million until AFTER Houston was granted team.

We have lost Steve Foley, Aaron Glenn, and Jamie Sharper because McNair/Casserley didn't want to pay them. We also drafted Mario partly because Bob didn't want a holdout with Bush (penny pinching basically).

We have failed to attain any top Free Agents due to him penny pinching but resigned losers like David Carr to max extensions.

We probably have the cheapest coaching staff in the NFL behind Buffalo. No one is making top dollar and it shows on the field.

McNair spent a lot of money to get the team here, of that there is no question. But he has done little to help the team since then. He needs to open up the wallet and hire some top coaching (INCLUDING HEAD COACH) if he wants this franchise to turn the corner. Both our coordinators were pretty bad and our head coach is basically a glorified OC. A good OC but not a good Head Coach. He looks completely overwhelmed and has since Day One. All I need to know is that Gary thought Carr could succeed. That alone shows that Gary doesnt know his arse from a hole in the ground.

Hire Cowher as HC
Hire LeBeau as DC
Sign Faneca as FA
Bring Joey Porter over from Miami for $$ and to reunite with Cowher/LeBeau
Draft a RB

if we do those things, we will be in the playoffs next year without a doubt...but we won't. Gary is here for at least 2 more years, so prepare for more suckitude.
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Are you actually arguing that we didn't sign Foley, Sharper, and Glenn because McNair was unwilling to fork over the money? That's ridiculous! The GM decided they weren't worth the money. We've overspent all over the place for players like Robaire Smith, Todd Wade, Seth Payne, Gary Walker- all those guys got bigger contracts than would've been required to secure the players you listed.

Also, it's a ridiculous assumption that we drafted Mario over Reggie for monetary reasons. First of all, it was a good decision. Second, the Texans have always been among the first to pay out there high first round picks. Bush even said when it happened that they were in basic agreement on money before they began to seriously consider Mario.

How do you know what the coaching staff makes? I'm sure Kubiak, Sherman, Frank Bush, and John Hoke rank fairly high in coaching salaries for the positions they're coaching.
 
Goldensilence said:
There are a few guys we should have on speed dial at the end of the year.

1. Ron Rivera
2. Marvin Lewis - Cinci will probably fire him at the end of the year.
3. John Fox- See Marvin Lewis

All three of those guys have coached and helped put together solid to great defenses. Thsoe 3 are a good start but they'll prolly command a big salary and i really hope McNair is willing to shell out for it.
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No thank you on all three of those guys! We don't need a name, we just need someone better- I trust that Kubiak and Smith can study the issue, interview, and find a good fit without going after a name. All three of those guys you mentioned have seriously underachieving defenses right now- which is why the last two will be fired. I know Rivera coaches LBs this year, but certainly the SD LBs are much less productive with him than they were last year under Phillips and company.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
McNair didn't spend $700 million until AFTER Houston was granted team.

We have lost Steve Foley, Aaron Glenn, and Jamie Sharper because McNair/Casserley didn't want to pay them. We also drafted Mario partly because Bob didn't want a holdout with Bush (penny pinching basically).

We have failed to attain any top Free Agents due to him penny pinching but resigned losers like David Carr to max extensions.

We probably have the cheapest coaching staff in the NFL behind Buffalo. No one is making top dollar and it shows on the field.

McNair spent a lot of money to get the team here, of that there is no question. But he has done little to help the team since then. He needs to open up the wallet and hire some top coaching (INCLUDING HEAD COACH) if he wants this franchise to turn the corner. Both our coordinators were pretty bad and our head coach is basically a glorified OC. A good OC but not a good Head Coach. He looks completely overwhelmed and has since Day One. All I need to know is that Gary thought Carr could succeed. That alone shows that Gary doesnt know his arse from a hole in the ground.

Hire Cowher as HC
Hire LeBeau as DC
Sign Faneca as FA
Bring Joey Porter over from Miami for $$ and to reunite with Cowher/LeBeau
Draft a RB

if we do those things, we will be in the playoffs next year without a doubt...but we won't. Gary is here for at least 2 more years, so prepare for more suckitude.
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Yes it is very good in principal to say hire a guy who at the moment would rather be with his family in North carolina and last time I checked a map Houston is no where near North carolina.

As far as letting the players go, that was Casserly's call not McNair. McNair just rights the checks and Casserly is the one who made the calls on those players but of course that would be far to easy to blame the people who are responsible but hey lets blame the owner for listening to those that he has put in place.

Dick LeBeau is with the Pittsburg Steelers and has been the Defensive Coordinator of the Steelers since 2004, unless you promote him to something above D-Cor I am not sure how expect to sign him away from the Steelers but hey yeah lets just toss a name out there without facts or knowledge of a guys career. This is his second stint with the steelers, it is home to him.

Faneca is a LG, a position we do not really need to upgrade compared to other positions like Center and the DB and LT. Granted he is one of the best at his position but still the money should be spent upgrading the weakest spots on the team.

As far as Porter is concerned, I do not really care for him but if the money was right sure why not.

You are a revisonist when it comes to the history of players and of how things have happened with the Texans you change who you blame depending on whom the thread is about. In this thread you are not blaming McNair for Mario and Carr but as soon as a Kubiak thread appears you will blame him solely for the decision. Yes the Carr situation was McNairs and all the advice he got from others who later recanted what they said. McNair does not know players he seeks advice and goes with it, what a novel concept for an owner.
 
I dunno, so tell me what Smith has got to do with OD dropping or fumbling footballs coming his way ? Or how is he to blame for AJ being indifferent
about fighting with a rookie CB for passes ?
 
nunusguy said:
I dunno, so tell me what Smith has got to do with OD dropping or fumbling footballs coming his way ? Or how is he to blame for AJ being indifferent
about fighting with a rookie CB for passes ?
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Actually in this thread it has absolutely nothing to do with either of those things, because they happened on the offensives side of the ball not the defense. This thread is about the dfense being vanillia and bland and not very imaginative.

If you want to talk about those things there is a thread regarding OD and his fumbles, feel free to start a thread about AJ not doing what he can to prevent the Int, other than that feel free to chime in on how the defense is in this thread.

:gun:
 
I don't see any major changes coming, defensively. our front four have been playing well Williams, Okoye, Johnson & Weaver. Linebacking is also much improved with the addtion of Danny Clark (three leading tacklers DeMeco- 94, Greenwood- 68, Clark-66) thats good production there. secondary wise they've been overacheiving given the extent of injurys. remember the Texans lost starting SS Earl Glenn before the season started, then his replacement Jason Simmons, so Rick Smith went out & aquired a couple more safetys in Boulware (dissapointment) & Will Demps (been very good). we lost our best CB in Dunta Robinson for the season (maybe next year too) & so they promoted late 4th rd. pick Fred Bennett who has been learning well ahead of the curve. meanwhile Fletcher has been out (suppossed to add depth) & Von Hutchins stepped up to supplant Faggins who was your nickle back to begin with. I guess everyone has forgotton that C.C. Brown was a 6th rd pick from the football dynasty L.A.-Lafayette & that his 58 tackles are 4th best on the team.


lets be realistic now the Texans defense has improved under Richard Smith. the Texans are 19th in total defense so far in 07 combine that improvement with his first season (24th) against 05 (31st) & you can see a positive trend. so I beleive its resonable to assume there will be no changes made here for the time being, that needs will be addressed in the offseason & the status of current players on the roster will be closely evaluated :d:
 
Specnatz said:
Actually in this thread it has absolutely nothing to do with either of those things, because they happened on the offensives side of the ball not the defense. This thread is about the dfense being vanillia and bland and not very imaginative.

If you want to talk about those things there is a thread regarding OD and his fumbles, feel free to start a thread about AJ not doing what he can to prevent the Int, other than that feel free to chime in on how the defense is in this thread.

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I didn't miss the subject of the thread, I know its about Smith & the D.
The point I'm trying make is that we lost in Cleveland Sunday more because
our receivers didn't make the clutch plays (as the Cleveland receivers did),
and not because of any deficiencies or inadequacies or lack of origionality on the part of Smith or his defense.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
He was complaining about the exact same thing in another thread. And he has never really given another option as a DC that would have been better at the time and has not given a reason as to why Mcnair is a penny pincher except that we supposedly don't pay coaches. I don't know how he would actually know either way how much a coach is getting paid. I don't think it was publicized what any of our coordinators were being paid.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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Well, how about Gene Chizik?

Remember him? That's a guy we could use. He's a d-coordinator who is failing as a HC right now in the NCAA. I have always felt that 99% of coaches need to stop pretending to be HCs. If you are a good d-coordinator (Wannstedt, Labeu, etc.) you need to stick with your bread & butter. Gene Chizik would be a pretty good d-coordinator, IMO. A few guys make it out: Gruden, Cowher, Pete Carroll. But most go in to the HC and find out really quick that they need to be a coordinator.

He took Auburn's defense and took it from a joke and made it one of the best NCAA defenses.

He leaves Auburn, goes to Texas, and makes UT's defense one of the best.

Track record. I want a guy who has achieved greatness in the DC role within the past 5 years or so. Not a guy hwo's pretty much irrelevent and hasn't been turning things around anywhere.

Is that good enough? I don't sit at home all day and study who is who. But I know that there are ACHIEVERS out there who would fit the role a lot better than Richard Smith.

BTW, I come up with lots of solutions and ideas. Thanks for attempting to disparage me, though. You guys go ahead and continue shooting from the hip.
 
i agree with beer lover. another point to make is that on top of everything else, our defense has been put in some pretty ugly situations on several occasions. they have also had bad games where they just didn't show up to play, on the other hand there have been numerous occasions where our offense has left them with a short field and their backs against the endzone and they have continued over and over to force field goal attempts.
 
dalemurphy said:
No thank you on all three of those guys! We don't need a name, we just need someone better- I trust that Kubiak and Smith can study the issue, interview, and find a good fit without going after a name. All three of those guys you mentioned have seriously underachieving defenses right now- which is why the last two will be fired. I know Rivera coaches LBs this year, but certainly the SD LBs are much less productive with him than they were last year under Phillips and company.
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wasn't everyone thinking that Frank Bush our "senior defensive assistant" was supposed to end up being the guy?
 
You know don't laugh or anything but is there anyway we can get that ol' geezer from the Eagles, Jim Johnson?! Now I know he's old but man I've always liked the D that he's put together up there. Every year they're off the chain, Jimmy come on down "the water is fine..."(I've always wanted to say that):fans:
 
barrett said:
wasn't everyone thinking that Frank Bush our "senior defensive assistant" was supposed to end up being the guy?
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Maybe. Maybe not.

Who knows? We don't.

I'm not slamming you, but I am trying to point out that with Gary Kubiak...I don't think we're going to know anything until it happens. Herm Edwards is a guy will get up there and basically let you know what he thinks.

Gary, on the other hand, is very crafty with his words.

I honestly think Richard Smith will be the defensive coordinator as long as Gary Kubiak is the HC here.

Calhoun ran off to be HC at Air Force.

And now Sherman is heading into Aggieland.

Seems the only way OUT is for you to leave on your own.

If Richard Smith is the DC next year, then that'll pretty much tell me all I need to know about the Gary Kubiak era.
 
keep in mind when discussing DC changes, we have to look at our personnel. do we have the right players for the right schemes? if we brought in some guy that want's to radically change the schemes does that mean we have to change a bunch of personnel? i'd love to retain some continuity regardless of what coaching changes (may) happen.

i still really think that loosing duanta showed that we can play better in a zone than in man. when he returns i hope that whoever is coaching the defense will stick with that somewhat.
 
i don't feel "slammed". personally i agree with you. i think richard smith WILL be our coordinator next year as well. i'm not even sure that's a bad thing. i don't think it's resonable to say that someone will be the coach "for as long as kubiak is here". i'm sure everyone is evaluated at the end of the season.
 
GP said:
Well, how about Gene Chizik?

Remember him? That's a guy we could use. He's a d-coordinator who is failing as a HC right now in the NCAA. I have always felt that 99% of coaches need to stop pretending to be HCs. If you are a good d-coordinator (Wannstedt, Labeu, etc.) you need to stick with your bread & butter. Gene Chizik would be a pretty good d-coordinator, IMO. A few guys make it out: Gruden, Cowher, Pete Carroll. But most go in to the HC and find out really quick that they need to be a coordinator.

He took Auburn's defense and took it from a joke and made it one of the best NCAA defenses.

He leaves Auburn, goes to Texas, and makes UT's defense one of the best.

Track record. I want a guy who has achieved greatness in the DC role within the past 5 years or so. Not a guy hwo's pretty much irrelevent and hasn't been turning things around anywhere.

Is that good enough? I don't sit at home all day and study who is who. But I know that there are ACHIEVERS out there who would fit the role a lot better than Richard Smith.

BTW, I come up with lots of solutions and ideas. Thanks for attempting to disparage me, though. You guys go ahead and continue shooting from the hip.
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Are you saying Gene Chizik now or then, because I was specifically talking about then which is specifically stated in my post. I am not attemting to disparage you, I am trying to get a solution to the problem not just a continued statement of the problem. How do you know that Chizik was available when Smith was hired?
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
Are you saying Gene Chizik now or then, because I was specifically talking about then which is specifically stated in my post. I am not attemting to disparage you, I am trying to get a solution to the problem not just a continued statement of the problem. How do you know that Chizik was available when Smith was hired?
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Because he was an official head coaching candidate, early on, when we canned Capers. I began to actually pull for the guy to maybe get the Texans HC spot...but the field narrowed fairly quickly and Gene was excluded.

I then realized that it was for the best: We needed a guy who had been in the NFL. Gene Chizik is a great DC.
 
GP said:
Because he was an official head coaching candidate, early on, when we canned Capers. I began to actually pull for the guy to maybe get the Texans HC spot...but the field narrowed fairly quickly and Gene was excluded.

I then realized that it was for the best: We needed a guy who had been in the NFL. Gene Chizik is a great DC.
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If he had his hat in the head coaching ring do you think he even put his hat or even wanted to put his hat into the DC job here? I am just curious. I personally would not try to get an effetively lesser job with a team that would not give me the HC job. And while he is failing as a Head Coach right now he is making more money as a College HC than he would as the Texans DC.
 
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