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Without Dunta...

Spike

Waterboy
...what are our chances the rest of the season?

From everything I have read, I think we come back with our offense more healthy than we have seen it since week 2 - Schaub, Andre Johnson, and Green should be back. I think we found some additional potentional weapons while these guys have been out, so assuming the line can hold up, I feel pretty good about the offense going into this second half of the season.

The problem is, I don't know if it will matter with out Dunta on the field. The defense as a whole and the secondary in particular have not played well. I am excited about the potential of Bennett, but he will have growing pains. Faggins has been exposed and teams will continue to target him when he is on the field.

We have two weeks to prepare for the next game, so I am wondering what we can do from a player or scheme stand-point.
 

mridge01

Rookie
I think this injury is going to set the franchise back more than we know. I have doubts that we can be ready for the beginning of next season, and know with an already depleted secondary that gives you yet another hole to fill. Also, if/when he is ready to come back, will he be the same? How does an NFL cover corner recover from that kind of injury? This one really hurts. This franchise just has all the bad breaks, literally and figuratively.
 

jaayteetx

All Pro
Did everybody see what Drew Brees and the Saints did the the Jags D? And we have to face them without the heart of our Defense, could be brutal.
 

Ole Miss Texan

Hall of Fame
Drew Brees threw for around 450 yards against Mathis, Nelson, etc.

Our secondary was suspect before. Now we lost arguably our Most Valuable Player. Some would argue its Demeco which is fair...but If you take away Dunta- Brees is going to not only target Faggins but he'll target Bennett...then he'll eat up our safeties.

We have 0 players in our secondary right now that would start for playoff contending teams. And we're facing one of the more prolific offenses in the nfl.
 
My predictions:

Saints - L
Browns - L
Titans - W
Bucs - L
Broncos - W
Colts - L
Jags - W

We end up at 7 -9. Not bad, considering all that we have been through.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
Well it falls on the Offense to protect our suspect defense. We need to control the clock and keep moving the chains.

The D needs to step up and get pressure. Same issues we have always had. Hopefully one of our young guys steps up shows something.
 

TigerV1

Rookie
While losing Dunta hurts, I am excited to see that we have an up-and-comer in Bennett. There is a bit of silver lining here folks. I don't think its as bad as we all think. It is bad, don't get me wrong, but we at least have someone who has a chance to shine and has a huge upside.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Contributor's Club
In the New Orleans game . .

We're going to get blown out. Brees will light us up, and Reggie Bush will pour salt on the wound.

Happy?
 

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
While losing Dunta hurts, I am excited to see that we have an up-and-comer in Bennett. There is a bit of silver lining here folks. I don't think its as bad as we all think. It is bad, don't get me wrong, but we at least have someone who has a chance to shine and has a huge upside.
Maybe that would be ok if we had to field only one CB at a time. But when you have to play 2, 3, or 4 CBs on the field at the same time it hurts bad.
 

TigerV1

Rookie
Maybe that would be ok if we had to field only one CB at a time. But when you have to play 2, 3, or 4 CBs on the field at the same time it hurts bad.
I understand, but with Robinson at #1 and Faggins at #2 we still only had one CB out there and now we have Bennett rising to take Dunta's spot. Yes, it sucks, but I don't see much of a change other than we lose an incredible veteran presence.

Bennett is no Robinson yet, but he is coming into his own. We will continue to have problems in the secondary, don't get me wrong, but I am just not ready to throw in the towel.
 

TexansSeminole

Hall of Fame
I understand, but with Robinson at #1 and Faggins at #2 we still only had one CB out there and now we have Bennett rising to take Dunta's spot. Yes, it sucks, but I don't see much of a change other than we lose an incredible veteran presence.

Bennett is no Robinson yet, but he is coming into his own. We will continue to have problems in the secondary, don't get me wrong, but I am just not ready to throw in the towel.
Oh, I am never ready to throw in the towel. Unfortunately, CB was one of our weakest positions coming into the season and now without Dunta we are really in trouble. We were pretty bad in the secondary overall before. Now it's going to be tough. Faggins is our most experienced CB :gun:.
 

Specnatz

Hall of Fame
In the New Orleans game . .

We're going to get blown out. Brees will light us up, and Reggie Bush will pour salt on the wound.

Happy?
What wound? I have no wounds, well ok just the one from when I fell from the chandelier, but I am sure you were not referring to that.
 

NitroGSXR

Super Sic #58
Let's just wait. Kubiak said that something would be happening via the trade/FA market. We'll be getting a cornerback very soon. I just hope that it's sooner than later so he has time to plan for the New Orleans game.
 
It sure would be nice to have some high draft picks playing on the D-line to create pressure on the QB to help make up for the loss in the secondary! Oh yeah thats right we have three #1's and a well paid FA in Weaver. If they dont step it up against Brees this could make the humiliation of the SD game look like a warm up!
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
...what are our chances the rest of the season?

From everything I have read, I think we come back with our offense more healthy than we have seen it since week 2 - Schaub, Andre Johnson, and Green should be back. I think we found some additional potentional weapons while these guys have been out, so assuming the line can hold up, I feel pretty good about the offense going into this second half of the season.

The problem is, I don't know if it will matter with out Dunta on the field. The defense as a whole and the secondary in particular have not played well. I am excited about the potential of Bennett, but he will have growing pains. Faggins has been exposed and teams will continue to target him when he is on the field.

We have two weeks to prepare for the next game, so I am wondering what we can do from a player or scheme stand-point.
You can argue that Dunta Robinson was the most important player for the Texans.

At least on the offensive side of the ball, you can try to scheme around your deficits. They run a system offense, that can take advantage of player's special abilities but is plug and play.

On the defensive side of the ball, I am not very optimistic. There is little in what either DC Richard Smith or secondary coach Jon Hoke have shown as creating schemes that make players better, or provide them the best opportunties to succeed. The secondary was already thin, and this makes them Nicole Ritchey before prego thin.

The best way to scheme for the Texans defense for the rest of the year is to keep the defense off of the field but playing ball hogging offense. Green may be back, but he isn't likely to be right all season. Basically, the hope of the Texans is riding on Ron Freaking Dayne.

GM Rick Smith is going to have to do some genius looking to find somebody to help at corner.

I have never been so bummed after a Texans win.
 

Honoring Earl 34

Something Witty !
You can argue that Dunta Robinson was the most important player for the Texans.

At least on the offensive side of the ball, you can try to scheme around your deficits. They run a system offense, that can take advantage of player's special abilities but is plug and play.

On the defensive side of the ball, I am not very optimistic. There is little in what either DC Richard Smith or secondary coach Jon Hoke have shown as creating schemes that make players better, or provide them the best opportunties to succeed. The secondary was already thin, and this makes them Nicole Ritchey before prego thin.

The best way to scheme for the Texans defense for the rest of the year is to keep the defense off of the field but playing ball hogging offense. Green may be back, but he isn't likely to be right all season. Basically, the hope of the Texans is riding on Ron Freaking Dayne.

GM Rick Smith is going to have to do some genius looking to find somebody to help at corner.

I have never been so bummed after a Texans win.
I'm thinking we should give all the DBs #38 . That would confuse the QB as to pick on .
 

Spike

Waterboy
I think Hutchins plays some CB and Demps gets some time at safety.
Personally, I think this is the best short-term fix. I had to rely on the game cast to follow the game, but it seemed that even with Bennett on the field, the game plan was still to target Faggins. You have to put your four best players out there and I just hope that this combination is better than the Faggins/ Hutchins combination.

Scheme wise, there has to be something we can do. In my mind, you do everthing to prevent the big play, even if it means that we get picked apart underneath.
 

Dallas_Texan

Waterboy
Personally, I think this is the best short-term fix. I had to rely on the game cast to follow the game, but it seemed that even with Bennett on the field, the game plan was still to target Faggins. You have to put your four best players out there and I just hope that this combination is better than the Faggins/ Hutchins combination.

Scheme wise, there has to be something we can do. In my mind, you do everthing to prevent the big play, even if it means that we get picked apart underneath.
Definitely. Rely on Demeco and the LB's in the middle. Bennett and Hutchins at CB and Demps/Boulware/Brown at Safety would be nice. I'm sure we'll start the Fag though. He's seriously going to lose two more games by himself though.
 

Second Honeymoon

Hall of Fame
God bless Dunta during his surgery and/or rehabilitation. Dunta was arguably our best player and probably most beloved. He will be missed and I thought that Kubiak and the Texans really rallied around Dunta going down and the team started playing with more heart and won one for Dunta.

as for life without Dunta, the team just has to continue to overcome and fight through the injuries. A lot of guys really stepped up and I was glad to see Bennett play through some pain as well. Faggins was toast as always but we have some talented guys that havent been given an opportunity yet. Demps seemed to make the most of his opportunity and could boulware be far behind if Hutchins is moved to #3 CB.

The sad thing is that we knew where we were weak at (FS, C, CB) before this past draft and outside of Bennett we really didn't attempt to address any of those spots and were now paying for it. I am always for drafting the BPA but we really need to get a FS and a Center within the first 4 rounds this year....and now we pretty much ahve to spend our 1st round pick on a cornerback because of the uncertainty of Dunta and the current lack of even one proven defensive back.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
We are well on our successful run for high draft picks. We get Asante Samuel in F/A for $42m for a four year deal, Bennett will start. Dunte may be back. We then draft a LT in a trade down, sign a FS with our new 2nd, draft a CB in 3rd, RB in 4th cause we've done pretty well historically and BPA the rest. McKinney/ White will be our centers and Eche our starting RB supported by Green who will get 90 yards in first quarter and then hobble to the bench to be replaced by our 4th rounder who will become the new DDW! I am so optimistic. Now watch these guys win 4 of the next 7 and ruin my plans. (Sarcasm).
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
God bless Dunta during his surgery and/or rehabilitation. Dunta was arguably our best player and probably most beloved. He will be missed and I thought that Kubiak and the Texans really rallied around Dunta going down and the team started playing with more heart and won one for Dunta.

as for life without Dunta, the team just has to continue to overcome and fight through the injuries. A lot of guys really stepped up and I was glad to see Bennett play through some pain as well. Faggins was toast as always but we have some talented guys that havent been given an opportunity yet. Demps seemed to make the most of his opportunity and could boulware be far behind if Hutchins is moved to #3 CB.

The sad thing is that we knew where we were weak at (FS, C, CB) before this past draft and outside of Bennett we really didn't attempt to address any of those spots and were now paying for it. I am always for drafting the BPA but we really need to get a FS and a Center within the first 4 rounds this year....and now we pretty much ahve to spend our 1st round pick on a cornerback because of the uncertainty of Dunta and the current lack of even one proven defensive back.
I did not get to watch game. How did White and Diles look?
 

markn

All Pro
The problem is, I don't know if it will matter with out Dunta on the field. The defense as a whole and the secondary in particular have not played well. I am excited about the potential of Bennett, but he will have growing pains. Faggins has been exposed and teams will continue to target him when he is on the field.

We have two weeks to prepare for the next game, so I am wondering what we can do from a player or scheme stand-point.
With AJ back we look pretty deep at WR, so I wonder if any of out WRs have played at the CB spot before?
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
610 says surgery tomorrow and extent not known until then. ALso Kubes said his loyalty was to Texans and Mr. McNair in regards to A&M. This was reported by Dave Harbison.
 

ubecool454

Veteran
Did everybody see what Drew Brees and the Saints did the the Jags D? And we have to face them without the heart of our Defense, could be brutal.
I will be tough without Dunta but I liked Fred out there yesterday. The way I see it is the other buys will just need to step up. With all the injuries coming back on offense..we just have to outscore everyone...:fans:
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I will be tough without Dunta but I liked Fred out there yesterday. The way I see it is the other buys will just need to step up. With all the injuries coming back on offense..we just have to outscore everyone...:fans:
This may not be too far off. In two weeks, Schaub, AJ, Dayne and Green should all be better. I will also incude Jacoby in that. We might just light up the score board.
 

ubecool454

Veteran
In the New Orleans game . .

We're going to get blown out. Brees will light us up, and Reggie Bush will pour salt on the wound.

Happy?
OK, our secondary without dunta might still be better than the Saints secondary. With Andre , Schaub, etc back on offense, I think this game is highscoring and who ever has the ball last probably wins.
 

ubecool454

Veteran
With AJ back we look pretty deep at WR, so I wonder if any of out WRs have played at the CB spot before?
Have no fear, I talked to Kubiak and I'm coming out of retirement to play CB for my Texans. U thought Faggins is looking bad?:cool:
 

ubecool454

Veteran
With AJ back we look pretty deep at WR, so I wonder if any of out WRs have played at the CB spot before?
Have no fear, I talked to Kubiak and I'm coming out of retirement to play CB for my Texans. U thought Faggins is looking bad?:cool:
 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
Staff member
Contributor's Club
This may not be too far off. In two weeks, Schaub, AJ, Dayne and Green should all be better. I will also incude Jacoby in that. We might just light up the score board.
If we can control the clock, avoid stupid mistakes (turnovers/penalties), and score some TDs in the red zone, we can take the pressure off of our defense.

We only have one team with a losing record left on our schedule, so it's going to be tough going no matter how we look at it. But I think if our guys can focus and keep from beating themselves we stand a chance in 6 of the last 7 games.
 

nunusguy

Hall of Fame
This thing with D-Rob already has the deja vu feeling of the injury that Charles Spencer suffered in the sense that recovery/rehab could stretch over multiple seasons. And the scariest thing is, we really don't have any end in sight yet for Spencer, who at one time we hoped could actually help us this year.
I've been critical of the progress Kubiak has made in '07, or the lack of
progress, in spite of injuries that all teams incur. But after QB, your OLT and shutdown CB are arguably the 2 most key positions on the team. Really crappy luck for the Texans to have these sort of injuries happen with these these 2 young, very valuable players at such important positions and its got to be factored in to discount any expectations one could have for the Texans
2007 season.
 

imatexan

All Pro
We are well on our successful run for high draft picks. We get Asante Samuel in F/A for $42m for a four year deal, Bennett will start. Dunte may be back. We then draft a LT in a trade down, sign a FS with our new 2nd, draft a CB in 3rd, RB in 4th cause we've done pretty well historically and BPA the rest. McKinney/ White will be our centers and Eche our starting RB supported by Green who will get 90 yards in first quarter and then hobble to the bench to be replaced by our 4th rounder who will become the new DDW! I am so optimistic. Now watch these guys win 4 of the next 7 and ruin my plans. (Sarcasm).
Sarcasm or not everyone is talking like losing a player(even if he is my favorite player) is going to make us terrible. We are coming off a win and our best player is coming back in AJ!
 

V3rm0nt3r

Rookie
I'm not going to lie... this really sucks but remember last year when all seemed lost after September- October because of the defense but then they started to work well together. granted then we were healthy except for the DL but they at least pulled it out.

the only other differece is that this year we have someone who can get the ball out quick enough to not get jacked by a mediocre DE who wouln't get past any other o-line except ours.

Im always the optomist.
its a gift and a curse
 

Specnatz

Hall of Fame
Vs your boyfriend that posted an amazing 1 tackle against the worst O-Line in the NFL?
HAHA your funny, but ya know what I have criticized him, and also other D-Lineman unlike others, you included, who only critiques Mario because it is not the guy you wanted drafted. Like I said get over it and stop whinning like a school girl but I doubt you can do that.

I have also criticized the schemes but please do tell how I have a man crush on someone that I find fault in. I mean you are so great at this analysist thing you might be able to analyze with in depth coverage of an 8 year old girls flag football game one day.
 

Spike

Waterboy
This thing with D-Rob already has the deja vu feeling of the injury that Charles Spencer suffered in the sense that recovery/rehab could stretch over multiple seasons. And the scariest thing is, we really don't have any end in sight yet for Spencer, who at one time we hoped could actually help us this year.
I've been critical of the progress Kubiak has made in '07, or the lack of
progress, in spite of injuries that all teams incur. But after QB, your OLT and shutdown CB are arguably the 2 most key positions on the team. Really crappy luck for the Texans to have these sort of injuries happen with these these 2 young, very valuable players at such important positions and its got to be factored in to discount any expectations one could have for the Texans
2007 season.

I agree with you completely. It is hard to swallow, but I am much more satisfied with a 6-10/ 7-9 finish based on the injuries this year. From a national perspective, it doesn't matter, but I think most Texans fans will realize that bad luck has had a material impact on the progress of this team.

Still, I don't want injuries to let this coaching staff or front office completely off of the hook. This team definitely has problems that are a result from issues other than injuries.
 

Spike

Waterboy
Just a quick update. I listened to the back end of Kubes interview on 610. I feel like every time you listen to one of these interviews, you really have to read between the lines - as an ex player, Kubes seems to go out of his way not to say anything to make any individual player look bad.

With that disclaimer in mind, I got the impression that the staff was happy with the way that Demps played, and as a result, there may be some flexibility with moving Hutchins around. As I recall, Hutchins is a true CB inserted at safety - so maybe this turns out to be a slight upgrade.

The only positive thing that can come from these injuries will be to learn that a handful of the young or journeymen players can come back next season and fight for a starting spot. So far - I think we have found a player in Andre Davis. Fred Bennett is going to have the opportunity to make this list. I would love to see Demps, White, Studdard and Frye to get a look as well. Heck - while I am at it - put Diles at one of the outside LB spots and see what he and Ryans can do on the field at the same time. If 1/3 of these guys work out - it makes things interesting when some of the guys who went down come back next season.
 

Dread-Head

Hall of Fame
:crying: To quote Leo Sayer..."I can't LIIIIIIIIIVE...if livin' is without YOU!:crying: I'm sorry....I...I...Ineedtobealone! :backsout:
:shots:
 

Bohunk

Practice Squad
Even the best secondary gets beat when the QB has 7-8 seconds to throw. The D line looks like they get winded by the end of the first half and are not the disrupting presence they need to be.

:stooges:
 

pappy

Waterboy
Even the best secondary gets beat when the QB has 7-8 seconds to throw. The D line looks like they get winded by the end of the first half and are not the disrupting presence they need to be.

:stooges:
Well against new Orleans it will be unusual if we get to brees as he has been untouchable lately . Better to just stack the line and defend against bush with some coverage in the secondary . That and a large prayer layered with alot of offensive output should do it . :cowboy1:
 
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