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Texans_Chick

Texans_Chick

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Hey, does anyone here have the ability to YouTube the TJ/Green hit? I think a lot of people will be hearing or reading about it without seeing it, and I think seeing it explains a lot.

Trent Green got knocked out of the game.

By his own doing.

TJ was pissed. Because he got crushed in the knees.

TJ mouthed off. And got penalized for taunting.

Nobody nationally would have cared about this one lick if Travis Johnson got one of his knees busted up during this play.

(By the way, I am starting this in a new thread just to get attention to this to see if someone can YouTube it.)
 
Texans_Chick said:
Hey, does anyone here have the ability to YouTube the TJ/Green hit? I think a lot of people will be hearing or reading about it without seeing it, and I think seeing it explains a lot.

Trent Green got knocked out of the game.

By his own doing.

TJ was pissed. Because he got crushed in the knees.

TJ mouthed off. And got penalized for taunting.

Nobody nationally would have cared about this one lick if Travis Johnson got one of his knees busted up during this play.

(By the way, I am starting this in a new thread just to get attention to this to see if someone can YouTube it.)
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Here ya go. TJ was right to be ticked. That was a cheap block. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQhsrpAZ_a8
 
ill support tj.. cause he was pissed and he didnt know green was injured and its greens own fault that he got injured.. its not like tj injured him and then taunted him... i got you tj :texflag:
 
dunta23 said:
ill support tj.. cause he was pissed and he didnt know green was injured and its greens own fault that he got injured.. its not like tj injured him and then taunted him... i got you tj :texflag:
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What I'd like to see on YouTube is the taunting. I didn't TiVO the game because I gooned and I was at the game and didn't see it.

But what I did see was that Green was knocked out and not moving. And I heard that Johnson stood over him and said mess to him. And that it looked awful on TV.

I'm guessing I'll see it soon enough on ESPN.
 
one things for sure we have not heard or seen the last of it :tvhorror: just a very unfortunate series of events in what was probably the ugliest play ever witnessed @ Relient.
 
I thought Spencer Tillman made a pretty good point, rare I know. It looked like Green wanted to throw a block and then relizaed he was gonna get leveled and bailed out. Unfortunate for him he went low and made a BS cut block! I mean think about it it is Trent Green, he lost almost all of last year due to a head injury, is he really going to put that old ass body and head in harms way if he is thinking straight. Again I understand TJ beiong mad on the field and showing bad judgement but running your mouth to the media is never a good idea, see Kellen (I am a soldier) Winslow!
 
Htownsportsfan said:
I thought Spencer Tillman made a pretty good point, rare I know. It looked like Green wanted to throw a block and then relizaed he was gonna get leveled and bailed out. Unfortunate for him he went low and made a BS cut block! I mean think about it it is Trent Green, he lost almost all of last year due to a head injury, is he really going to put that old ass body and head in harms way if he is thinking straight. Again I understand TJ beiong mad on the field and showing bad judgement but running your mouth to the media is never a good idea, see Kellen (I am a soldier) Winslow!
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Exactly.

Trent has had that "Engine is running, but nobody's driving the car" look this whole season...the lingering effect of a body that needs to be out of the NFL. He's unable to make quick decisions, he pumps the ball over and over, and he drifts around in the pocket unlike most QBs. The hit in KC should have been his last game, IMO.

Had Cleo Lemon not come into the game, we'd have had 4 sacks and 4 interceptions...we would have won the game going away.

Lemon's mobility saved the day for Miami.
 
Hook'er said:
I wanna see the press conference.
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The stuff that Travis said post game was in the locker room. The fullest excerpt I've seen is in the Miami paper's account:

http://www.miamiherald.com/breaking_sports/story/263903.html

''At 12:01, I had a lot of respect for Trent Green,'' Johnson said. ``At 12:20, I said [expletive] Trent Green. To hit my knee like that, that's uncalled for. He's like the scarecrow -- he wants to get courage while I'm not looking and hit me in my knee instead of trying to hit me in my head. God don't like ugly -- you know what I mean?

``My knee ain't never hurt like it hurt today. When I was up in the air, looking at the ceiling, I was wondering what was going to happen if I came down on my head. It was a dirty play. Football's not like that. If you want to hit me, hit me in my shoulders, not my knees. That just showed what type of man he is.''
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The apology stuff that the Texans released in their press release is this:

(opening statement) “I apologize for going off like that. We D-lineman, when you have someone going at your knees, its kind of tough. But at the same time, I shouldn’t have reacted like that. The penalty ended up leading to a score, so really I hurt my team. I shouldn’t have let my anger get to me, so I apologize to coach Kubiak, because I hurt my team. Really, I should have kept my cool. Being in that type of situation, this is a game of controlled violence, and I really I let my anger get the best of me.”


(on what happened during that play) “You know, I apologized to (coach) Kubiak, if you know what I’m saying, letting him know. I was frustrated. I mean, when I cant see someone and they hit me low while I’m running full speed, that kind of got me…while I’m upside down, while my head is looking at the screen upside down, I’m kind of looking at it like, ‘Man, is this it.’ It’s just one of those things where I apologize, but all I could think about was my family. I’m trying to eat like everyone else out here. I just let my anger get the best of me.”
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It's Texans Pravda, comrades.

John McClain did mention that TJ landed on his head after the hit. Probably doesn't explain the locker room thingy.

The AP report is a perfect illustration of why you have to see the games yourself, and can't trust the recaps. From anyone. Humans have filters and biases and have to pick and choose what they can write based on space they are allowed to write. It just is how it is.

The TJ story is going to be the big news of this game, and the thing that is sensationalized because nobody cares about a field goal fest, they just want the if it bleeds it leads thing. It just is how it is.
 
TJ was wrong for what he did, plain and simple. Anyone who has played sports knows this. Too many of you are trying to mitigate the heinousness of his behavior because he wears a Texans uniform.
 
White Runningback said:
TJ was wrong for what he did, plain and simple. Anyone who has played sports knows this. Too many of you are trying to mitigate the heinousness of his behavior because he wears a Texans uniform.
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He was wrong for the post-game rant.... but I am not going to say he was wrong for taunting. Should he have done it? Not at all. But he got caught up in it.

The fact it, is WAS a cheap block. If Trent Green hadn't got the daylights knocked out of him, no one would have cared about the taunting. You can bet your ass that the Texans FO would still be pissed about the block, though.
 
White Runningback said:
TJ was wrong for what he did, plain and simple. Anyone who has played sports knows this. Too many of you are trying to mitigate the heinousness of his behavior because he wears a Texans uniform.
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I could not agree more. People are making excuses for him because he COULD have been hurt seriously and the block was chicken bleep but the fact is you have to stop yourself from hurting the team with a 15 yarder and then after the fact you have to choose your words wisely. Its the way it is. If he is ranting on the field I get it but I'm not sure how people are glossing walking over to a lifeless body, pointing down at them and yelling....it almost looked like he was saying "good." His comments after the game back this up. I'll take the most of the people here ripping me but you have to strip it away and be responsible for your own actions. The fact of the matter is Green, despite his crappy block, WAS laying there and it was plain as day something was wrong.

Here is a complete look on youtube with slow down mode...how some people yesterday said he just walked over to him and walked over him is beyond me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2weKmGtemn8&NR=1
 
HoustonFrog said:
I could not agree more. People are making excuses for him because he COULD have been hurt seriously and the block was chicken bleep but the fact is you have to stop yourself from hurting the team with a 15 yarder and then after the fact you have to choose your words wisely. Its the way it is. If he is ranting on the field I get it but I'm not sure how people are glossing walking over to a lifeless body, pointing down at them and yelling....it almost looked like he was saying "good." His comments after the game back this up. I'll take the most of the people here ripping me but you have to strip it away and be responsible for your own actions. The fact of the matter is Green, despite his crappy block, WAS laying there and it was plain as day something was wrong.

Here is a complete look on youtube with slow down mode...how some people yesterday said he just walked over to him and walked over him is beyond me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2weKmGtemn8&NR=1
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Slow mo makes it look worse. He didn't stand over him screaming. He walked by him, and said junk on the way. You can see that in the NFL.com video.

Interestingly, Olberman doesn't mention how hard the collision was to Johnson.

Suffice to say, I think it was said best in today's The Debriefing:

Texans defensive lineman Travis Johnson, a couple of hours after his knee knocked Trent Green out:

"At 12:01, I had a lot of respect for Trent Green. At about 12:20, I said, '**** Trent Green,' because the bottom line is it was a malicious hit. It was uncalled for. He's like the scarecrow. He wanted to get courage while I wasn't looking and hit me in my knee instead of trying to hit me in my head. God don't like ugly, you know what I mean?"
I can't speak for God (you might wanna ask Jon Kitna, though), but He also probably also doesn't like it when you taunt a motionless old quarterback with a history of concussion problems, no matter what he did.

I know it's frustrating when guys put their helmets in your knees, and I'd be mad, too, but still ... Trent Green might have been dead right there. Certain situations call for a little restraint, no?
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Disagree.... TOTALLY...

Anyone who ever played the game, knows there is an unspoken rule about going after someone's knees... PERIOD..

Don't people criticize Denver's O-line for 'chop' blocking?? Why?? Because 'chop' blocking is going after the knees.... Samething. You do NOT go after anyone's knees. PERIOD!!!
 
Texans_Chick said:
Slow mo makes it look worse. He didn't stand over him screaming. He walked by him, and said junk on the way. You can see that in the NFL.com video.

Interestingly, Olberman doesn't mention how hard the collision was to Johnson.

Suffice to say, I think it was said best in today's The Debriefing:
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I think that says it best too. As I've said all along...I'm making no excuses for Green or the block. It is a horrible, career ending block...but after the fact you have to assess the situation a little better and TJ didn't do that. There is the rub with me.

Texan_Bill said:
Disagree.... TOTALLY...

Anyone who ever played the game, knows there is an unspoken rule about going after someone's knees... PERIOD..

Don't people criticize Denver's O-line for 'chop' blocking?? Why?? Because 'chop' blocking is going after the knees.... Samething. You do NOT go after anyone's knees. PERIOD!!!
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I respect your opinion, as always, TB but where is the rule that one chicken bleep play deserves another?So Green's hit was a big no-no, it still doesn't take away from the fact of how TJ reacted. I'd be peeved too but he turned around and saw Green out...it was evident the minute we watched it on TV. My wife was like, "holy...the guy is dead"..the minute it happened. TJ saw it and should have ranted elsewhere and then held back later. I don't like the excuse of one bad deed deserves another.
 
White Runningback said:
TJ was wrong for what he did, plain and simple. Anyone who has played sports knows this. Too many of you are trying to mitigate the heinousness of his behavior because he wears a Texans uniform.
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"Heinous"?!?!? Please. Talk about over dramatic.

All TJ did was yell at Green. "Heinous" is what Haynesworth did when he stomped that O-lineman in the head last year. This was mild by comparison.

As we've all stated, TJ's rant after the game was totally stupid. He watched the man being carted off the field - so even being pissed, he should have called it even at that point. AND the Texans' staff should have seen the post-game questions coming and coached him on what not to say.
 
quicksilver said:
If you had, you'd briefly see yourself in the stands somewhere around 10 minutes remaining in the 3rd quarter. Unless I'm very mistaken.
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Yeah, since I got my new seats after 2005, I'm like Where's Waldo. The camera guys do a lot of stuff in front of that section.

I bet it was right after a Texans holding call that brought back a long catch.

I remember at some point cussing and yelling and then noticing and seeing the camera man pointing the camera in my direction. ACK! And then me trying to figure out if I said or did anything particularly unfortunate. I have to admit to a lot of cussing for a win.
 
Here's another question: if the taunting happened at the end of the play and took place on the 46 yard line, and Ted Ginn was tackled on the 46 or 47, why did the Dolphins get the ball on the 25?
 
Texans_Chick said:
Slow mo makes it look worse. He didn't stand over him screaming. He walked by him, and said junk on the way. You can see that in the NFL.com video.

Interestingly, Olberman doesn't mention how hard the collision was to Johnson.

Suffice to say, I think it was said best in today's The Debriefing:
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Doesn't matter, IMO. Taunting has no place in sports regardless of the circumstances surrounding it. Just because he didn't set his feet and lean over him doesn't mean it wasn't taunting. He certainly was pointing and jawing in the direction of Green, the referee construed it as taunting, and he was rightfully flagged for it. Nevermind that both Kubiak and Johnson said it was the wrong thing to do after the game.

Everyone wants to talk about it being a dirty block. I concur that the method he went about trying to deliver the block was in poor form (he is a QB, why would you expect it to be a perfectly executed block, anyway), but I really think that the intention to cause injury was not there. His head was turned away from Johnson.

BTW, has Green ever manifested a proclivity for dirty play?
 
ObsiWan said:
"Heinous"?!?!? Please. Talk about over dramatic.

All TJ did was yell at Green. "Heinous" is what Haynesworth did when he stomped that O-lineman in the head last year. This was mild by comparison.

As we've all stated, TJ's rant after the game was totally stupid. He watched the man being carted off the field - so even being pissed, he should have called it even at that point. AND the Texans' staff should have seen the post-game questions coming and coached him on what not to say.
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Poor choice in words. He clearly was uncharacteristically unsportsmanlike.

Sorry.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I think that says it best too. As I've said all along...I'm making no excuses for Green or the block. It is a horrible, career ending block...but after the fact you have to assess the situation a little better and TJ didn't do that. There is the rub with me.



I respect your opinion, as always, TB but where is the rule that one chicken bleep play deserves another?So Green's hit was a big no-no, it still doesn't take away from the fact of how TJ reacted. I'd be peeved too but he turned around and saw Green out...it was evident the minute we watched it on TV. My wife was like, "holy...the guy is dead"..the minute it happened. TJ saw it and should have ranted elsewhere and then held back later. I don't like the excuse of one bad deed deserves another.
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I respect your opinion too, Frog, but I would be curious if another attorney made a cheap play to have you disbarred, how would you react??

Trent Green made a cognisant decision to go after TJ's knees. TJ 'reacted' to the choice that Green made. Remember that Green was on his side with his face towards the turf - when Johnson reacted so, in all honesty there's a good chance that TJ did not know Green was out at that point.

If anything I take more issue with TJ's act in the locker room - after the game. Those comments were uncalled for.
 
White Runningback said:
Doesn't matter, IMO. Taunting has no place in sports regardless of the circumstances surrounding it. Just because he didn't set his feet and lean over him doesn't mean it wasn't taunting. He certainly was pointing and jawing in the direction of Green, the referee construed it as taunting, and he was rightfully flagged for it. Nevermind that both Kubiak and Johnson said it was the wrong thing to do after the game.

Everyone wants to talk about it being a dirty block. I concur that the method he went about trying to deliver the block was in poor form (he is a QB, why would you expect it to be a perfectly executed block, anyway), but I really think that the intention to cause injury was not there. His head was turned away from Johnson.

BTW, has Green ever manifested a proclivity for dirty play?
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If "intent" is the key to determining blame or dirtiness, then Johnson is innocent. He didn't not intend to get flagged or injure Green.

The reality is that both Green and Johnson are guilty of the same thing- both of them were unconcerned with the others' well-being. That unconcern or lack of integrity is what allowed Green to risk Johnson's health by slamming his helmet into his knee, and Johnson showed his lack of concern for Green by yelling at him when he was face down on the turf.
 
TJ could have definately been hurt on that play, but I certainly cannot condone his behavior afterwards. Seeing our very own called the worst player in the NFL (for the week) during halftime of the Packers/Bears game was not something to be proud of.
 
White Runningback said:
Doesn't matter, IMO. Taunting has no place in sports regardless of the circumstances surrounding it. Just because he didn't set his feet and lean over him doesn't mean it wasn't taunting.He certainly was pointing and jawing in the direction of Green, the referee construed it as taunting, and he was rightfully flagged for it. Nevermind that both Kubiak and Johnson said it was the wrong thing to do after the game.

Everyone wants to talk about it being a dirty block. I concur that the method he went about trying to deliver the block was in poor form (he is a QB, why would you expect it to be a perfectly executed block, anyway), but I really think that the intention to cause injury was not there. His head was turned away from Johnson.

BTW, has Green ever manifested a proclivity for dirty play?
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A taunting penalty is a judgment call. Players are not supposed to get into situations where what they are doing could be considered taunting. Players yell at other players all the time, but generally not when they are lying motionless on the ground.

This was a good use of a taunting penalty because otherwise this is the sort of situation where a fight on the field could happen.
 
Chance_C said:
TJ could have definately been hurt on that play, but I certainly cannot condone his behavior afterwards. Seeing our very own called the worst player in the NFL (for the week) during halftime of the Packers/Bears game was not something to be proud of.
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I can't believe that I have to say this to a fellow Texans fan....

Ignore the media

You should know that by now.
 
The scarecrow needed a brain. The lion needed courage.

Me thinks Travis is the scarecrow here, and Trent is the lion.

I can see why TJ was ticked off, but he cost his team 7 points in that situation. And to make matters worse he mouthed off a couple of hours later. I didn't like the block either, and TJ now has to have an MRI, but the lasting national image will be TJ standing over a lifeless Green pointing his finger at him. He should have been ticked off, but not to the detriment of his team.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I respect your opinion too, Frog, but I would be curious if another attorney made a cheap play to have you disbarred, how would you react??

Trent Green made a cognisant decision to go after TJ's knees. TJ 'reacted' to the choice that Green made. Remember that Green was on his side with his face towards the turf - when Johnson reacted so, in all honesty there's a good chance that TJ did not know Green was out at that point.

If anything I take more issue with TJ's act in the locker room - after the game. Those comments were uncalled for.
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I'd be peeved but I'd have to temper wanting to get revenge or being peeved with what is the best thing for me to do in the situation. However, I'm not going to sit here and act like I would know how he'd feel after that play and being flipped. I will say that in high school I was playing DB and this WR tried to cut me and then hung onto my legs...I ended up punching the guy to get him off my legs. Ref saw it...15 yards.. and my coach pulled me for a play. I told him I only tried to throw the guy off my legs. In film session that Monday it was almost like the camera zoomed in on me and I had pulled back from Brooklyn to throw the punch..lol. Coach was a tiny peeved to say the least. Anyways, dumb play on my part. That is how I feel about TJ...he had a right to be peeved but the way he went over to him bothered me. I know Green was facing the other ways but he looked dead...again, I can't say how TJ saw the angle or whatever.

I may be wrong though. I can see people's point. I just think about it differently. But I think we all agree that he should have shut it down post-game.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
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the national media doesn't care about the truth of the situation, they only care about what is sensational and sells deodorant.

That's why they are going to keep showing the picture of TJ standing over Green because it enrages people while selling deodorant and cars.

I'm already getting sick of the TJ and Green thing. I need to stay out of these threads before I start saying stupid things.
 
Thorn said:
the national media doesn't care about the truth of the situation, they only care about what is sensational and sells deodorant.

That's why they are going to keep showing the picture of TJ standing over Green because it enrages people while selling deodorant and cars.

I'm already getting sick of the TJ and Green thing. I need to stay out of these threads before I start saying stupid things.
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Collinsworth was on-record before last night's game as calling Green's block a "cheap shot".

TJ jumping up and yelling at Green I have no problem with (as he was unaware that Green was unconscious) and it was a "heat of the moment" response to a guy sending him ***-over-teakettle with a cut block that could have ended TJ's year (or career). His (TJ's) behavior AFTER the game was just plain stupid, and part of the reason that "maturity level" has been a knock on TJ since before he came out of college.
 
Yes Andy, thanks. I fully understand why TJ was ticked, look at that picture. In addition to a possible season ending knee injury, he could have broken his neck (see picture above). Also, his arm was out mid-cartwheel and he came down awkwardly on his wrist. Could have broken it.

Whe said after the game was plain immature.

National media needs to recognize he did apologize later.

The NFL rules should change such that that hit in that type of situation is illegal.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Yes Andy, thanks. I fully understand why TJ was ticked, look at that picture. In addition to a possible season ending knee injury, he could have broken his neck (see picture above).

Whe said after the game was plain immature.

National media needs to recognize hid did apologize later.

The NFL rules should change such that that hit in that type of situation is illegal.
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BINGO!!!!
 
And if you saw the replay of the after game interview, at least ONE of his teammates was trying to get his attention and tell him to SHUT UP, and quite sounding like the fool that he was sounding like.

He did come out and apologize for that rant late, but I suspect it was after, hopefully, he got a 'heated conversation' directed at him by either his teammates, coaches, owner of the team, or all of them.

was it a QB cheap shot? YEP

Was it only making the situation worse by the poor Sportmanship exibited by TJ afterwards, no doubt about it.

Instead of the media showing replays of what happens when a QB uplugs his brain and takes on a DT, the replays are now showing what happens when a DT, Johnson, unplugs his brain, and taunts an unconscious player.

embarrassing is putting it mildly
 
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