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Could I get a running back, please?
- Thread starter Nighthawk
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Maddict5
Hall of Fame
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Hervoyel
BUENO!
Jonathan Wells could do better than this. Wali Lundy could do better than this.
I wonder if Darius Walker could do better than this?
I'm almost starting to wonder if Tony Hollings could have done better.
I know Green coming back will make a big difference but I also can't ignore the fact that one bad play can put us right back here again. We need another effective running back.
I wonder if Darius Walker could do better than this?
I'm almost starting to wonder if Tony Hollings could have done better.
I know Green coming back will make a big difference but I also can't ignore the fact that one bad play can put us right back here again. We need another effective running back.
Don't forget Morency.
drewmar74
disgruntled
Dude, you beat me to it. I was watching Green Bay and Chicago and Morency is playing a lot.
He's showing some serious wheels and just playing a good game. Even saw him have a nice blitz pickup a series ago. And I'm thinking to myself "I don't care about the system argument. I don't care if they thought he danced to much. Morency isn't a world-beater, but the kid has wheels and we got screwed on that trade."
PapaL
Loose Screw
We won't know until a capable RB is back there. Be it a healthy Green or a new #2 guy. All I know is that has passed the ridiculous stage. I seriously doubt that if we cut Dayne tonight that there would be a single suitor out there ready to sign him.
drewmar74
disgruntled
Nah. I don't think they get a pass at all and it's a very fair point. But its like the old David Carr v. O-line argument.... which is it? The RBs or the O-line? I do think that losing McKinney hurt us pretty badly.
But Dayne and Gado have looked really, really bad. I swear, I think Dayne has an inner ear infection that is killing his equilibrium. That's the only way I can figure a running back that big can fall over that easy.
Not from me. Schaub looks like a superior quarterback and covers a lot of their mistakes, but he can't cover them all. Mistakes are still mistakes, covered or not, and they make more than an average line (IMO). They have 2-3 strong positions, but they aren't a strong unit, and I for one never expected them to be this year.
The Texans "he used to play for Kubiak" left tackle and "he used to play for Sherman" center have a marked resemblance to their "he used to play for Kubiak" running back and "he used to play for Sherman" back-up running back.
Next to the injuries to Green and Dre Johnson, those personnel decisions are hurting the offense as much as anything else.
Both.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
count them:
1. Ahman Green
2. Chris Taylor
see, the problem is they are both hurt.
give me a break with the morency thing, too... he's been out injured all season and I just saw him run off the field hurt again. that's why they got rid of him.
GP
Go Texans!
You and I have had our sparring sessions, runner.
But your post on this issue is perhaps the best post I have read from anybody on either board, in perhaps the past month.
Kubiak is a GREAT QB COACH, but he needs to take a seat when it comes to evaluating running back talent. He's 0-and-Forever thus far, IMO. Dayne is a crutch he's been using for too long, trying to grind out 3 yards in the run game to survive juuuuuust enough to get his QB a chance to run play-action.
And swapping Morency for Gado was 100% the wrong thing to do. I was opposed to it then, and I'm opposed to it now. The two backs are night-and-day..it's almost as if Kubiak thinks Gado is a speedier, smaller version of Dayne. Yeah, now THAT'S how you trip up a run defense, Kubiak: Put a shiftier Ron Dayne out there. I would use a smiley that shows me throwing up in my mouth a little bit, but I can't find one.
So, "Thank You" Kubiak for getting us to 3-2...but we'd probably be 4-1 and possibly 5-0 if we had a run game. AND...perhaps Schaub is even more valuable than we know--I think he's single-handedly saving Kubiak's bacon right now. The way Schaub is pulling rabbits out of his helmet on clutch pass conversions, when the D is down his throat because there's no run game to keep blitzers honest, is amazing to say the least.
I'll say it again, like I said in my "Jonathan Wells?" thread: Sign running backs to 3-game contracts and turn them over like McDonald's employees until you find one that sticks.
But "sticking" with medicore guys that bailed you out this time last year is not a good long-term plan. At some point, it's going to catch up with Kubiak.
I don't think they got rid of him because they knew he would be hurt in the future.
At least he can gain yards when he's healthy. When Gado is healthy, Kubiak is likely to play fullback Cook at running back ahead of him.
Allstar
Bona fide
Davis caught the deep ball to set up the first down and goal on the two yard line. It took Dayne 4 tries to get 2 yards. 0.5 yards a carry when we "needed it" isn't exactly keeping the defense honest. But I totally agree that we need Dre back.
SF49erFaithful
Crabtree FTW
Maybe you got the short end of the stick, but it wasn't miserable. Miserable is like Washington throwing away a 3rd at TJ Duckett last season....
Nighthawk
Rookie
This is EXACTLY the point.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
At the bar tonight I said Dayne is auditioning for Dancing with the Stars for the musically challenged.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Just an observation. The times that Dayne actually gets some yardage is when he's not waiting for the blocks. Whenever he waits, call it hesitate if you want, he is too slow to get going and ends up being tackled at the line.
Waiting for blocks and holes are fine for smaller, faster and swiftier (?) backs, but With the Dayne-Train, he needs to get to full power asap and keep going.
Dayne might not be the perfect back, but I believe that if he's utilized in a way that compliments his upsides, he'll be producing much more for us.
Waiting for blocks and holes are fine for smaller, faster and swiftier (?) backs, but With the Dayne-Train, he needs to get to full power asap and keep going.
Dayne might not be the perfect back, but I believe that if he's utilized in a way that compliments his upsides, he'll be producing much more for us.
Texans Horror
All Pro
The team is based on the run game and Green's prowess in the cut-and-go system. Without him in the backfield, the Texans are going to have a very long season.
R
real
Guest
It was more Carr than Line.
R
real
Guest
Our RB's are awful...
I'd rather have Lundy and Morency than Dayne and Gado...
Dayne and Gado's biggest problem is their lack of vision...
I'd rather have Lundy and Morency than Dayne and Gado...
Dayne and Gado's biggest problem is their lack of vision...
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Blame Kubes for spending a ton of money on an injury prone and washed up Green and using more to sign the king of Busts and Buffets Dayne.
If Green was still a dominate player, I would think the Pack would actually try to resign him instead of relying on Morency and two rookies.
Duckett, Jamal Lewis, and Bennett were all FAs this year.
If Green was still a dominate player, I would think the Pack would actually try to resign him instead of relying on Morency and two rookies.
Duckett, Jamal Lewis, and Bennett were all FAs this year.
TexanAddict
Texan 'til I Die
Here are my thoughts on Ron Dayne:
He shows no urgencey or burst when taking the handoff and going to the hole. He plods forward and leans on his blockers until he falls over, for a minimal gain if he's lucky. His legs never seem to be churning and he doesn't look to slip off blockers to the holes they are creating. On the rare chance Dayne finds himself with a little room to run, it appears as though he looks for the first Texan blocking in front of him and plows straight into their back, and then falls over. Don't get me wrong, the OL could do a better jog of opening some lanes, but they will never stay open long enough for Dayne to walk through them.
He shows no urgencey or burst when taking the handoff and going to the hole. He plods forward and leans on his blockers until he falls over, for a minimal gain if he's lucky. His legs never seem to be churning and he doesn't look to slip off blockers to the holes they are creating. On the rare chance Dayne finds himself with a little room to run, it appears as though he looks for the first Texan blocking in front of him and plows straight into their back, and then falls over. Don't get me wrong, the OL could do a better jog of opening some lanes, but they will never stay open long enough for Dayne to walk through them.
TexanAddict
Texan 'til I Die
Seriously, I hope Dayne provides his blockers with ice packs and bengay because their backs have got to be bruised and sore after having him plow straight into them game after game.
Battle Red Flash
Waterboy
I agree Texans need a better backup RB, but.....
In three games with Flanagan at center, we can't run the ball.
It may be time to tweak the O-line. Chris White?
In three games with Flanagan at center, we can't run the ball.
It may be time to tweak the O-line. Chris White?
But still both, as I said.
Unless you just want to argue because my "both" didn't assign percentage blame. If so, consider this reply not posted.
the wonger need food
All Pro
Green was one of the best FA RB's on the market. Duckett has 4 yards for the season. Lewis is hurt again. And Bennett has a whole 49 yards this season. But keep whining about Reggie Bust since that's all you do.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Do you actually follow the NFL and look at what is going on?
Jamal Lewis just spent time in Jail, do you really think McNair would even consider bringing him in? Duckett sucked at Atlanta, he sucked at Washington, and he is sucking he more at Carolina. Oh and Bennett was signed by NO in 2006 and was traded to KC. Why was he available to sign with NO? Oh yeah because of injuries. Seriously, stop throwing crap on the was and seeing if it sticks.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Could I get a running back, please?......................Oh yeh....hold it..........hold on.......hold on while I pull one out of my *ss............dang, that's no running back...........sorry, my mistake..........
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
If Lundy was all that, he would have been picked up by the Buccs.
Maybe we bring him back, maybe we don't. But Kubes & Co saw more in Training Camp from the guys we've got than from the guys we don't got. So, I think they're going to stick with them unless they can find someone better out there.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
I saw giving a ton of money and a mutli year deal to a guy that is a shadow of his former self. Lewis, Duckett, and Bennett all got one year deals, and Lewis is tearing it up.
What are the odds of Green even being on the roster next year? At the very best, he will be backing up the RB we draft in the 1st next year.
hadaad
Rookie
Could I get a running back, please?......................Oh yeh....hold it..........hold on.......hold on while I pull one out of my *ss............dang, that's no running back...........sorry, my mistake..........
Still has better vision than Dayne, though.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Lewis had a big game against the Bengals and hasn't done much else. I think he's injured now. He's got 77 rushes for 382 yards and a 5.0 ypc average, but remove the Bengal game and he's left with 50 rushes for 166 yards and a 3.3 ypc. That's basically 12.5 carries and 41 yards per game. Not what I consider tearing it up.
Duckett has 3 rushes for 4 yards and Bennett has 18 rushes for 49 yards.
Granted, Green has played 2 partial games and then been pulled when the game was in the freezer and been out for 3 others (I consider leaving in the first series of the Colts game missing the entire game). Except for the Colts game, he's looked pretty good. His deal isn't as huge as you make it sound. At least he's making less than Mike Flanagan this year.
