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Travis Johnson and Trent Green

Leahmic223

Veteran
I disagree.

He taunted right after the hit, I don't think he knew how serious it was until a few moments later. Was he still taunting then I am not sure.

But you have to understand where he's coming from...with his body type he is pretty injury prone, he was lucky he didn't end out of that with a injury himself with the injuries he's had.

But I don't think he knew how serious it was, in the heat of the moment he knew he was just hit on the knee or below it and that makes any lineman pissed. He looked concerned though when he realized what happened, at least in my opinion he did.
 

grinch1134

Waterboy
he was just talking crap to someone that clipped him, I don't think he even realized the injury was serious
 

jaybird

Waterboy
I disagree.

He taunted right after the hit, I don't think he knew how serious it was until a few moments later. Was he still taunting then I am not sure.

But you have to understand where he's coming from...with his body type he is pretty injury prone, he was lucky he didn't end out of that with a injury himself with the injuries he's had.

But I don't think he knew how serious it was, in the heat of the moment he knew he was just hit on the knee or below it and that makes any lineman pissed. He looked concerned though when he realized what happened, at least in my opinion he did.
You don't taunt someone period in football... you especially don't taunt someone who is laying on the ground and not moving... I understand it was the heat of the moment and he was fired up because Green went for his legs... but he's a big boy and should be able to control his emotinos and not act like a 2 year old...

I was glad to see he got ripped a new one... also happy to see him go out there as they were wheeling Green off...

but the taunting was uncalled for and classless. Not saying TJ is because I don't know the guy... but that move was.
 

Brandon420tx

Flounder
I don't think it was a taunt, I think TJ was just pissed about the low hit on his knee and didn't know Green was hurt untill he was pulled away.
 
I take it TJ = Travis Johnson, and the play in question is the scramble by Ginn where Green ended with a concussion. I take it TJ taunted him? It's not classless unless he taunted Green after he was down.
 

Leahmic223

Veteran
he was just talking crap to someone that clipped him, I don't think he even realized the injury was serious
Yeah that's the way I saw it. I didn't even know the injury was that serious until 4-5 mintues later. In the heat of battle I think most guys would be pissed. Green could have easily hit his knee the wrong way and could have torn one of his ligments. Then after the hit...Travis did a COMPLETE FLIP...how many times have you seen Travis do this manuever in the air?

I don't think he was aware that his knee may have ended a man's career and how serious it was. I think he was just pissed in the heat of battle because that was dangerous block on both sides.
 

jaybird

Waterboy
I don't think he was taunting, I think he was just pissed at Green for going low.
If you're pissed yell at your buddies... yell at the sky... yell at the ground... don't walk up to the guy on the ground who is not moving and yell at him... he might not have 'meant' to taunt... but it was an easy call.

And to me it was obvious Green was hurt... I figured he had a concussion just cus that's his MO.... I don't want to get on the guy too much, but it was a stupid move.
 

Leahmic223

Veteran
You don't taunt someone period in football... you especially don't taunt someone who is laying on the ground and not moving... I understand it was the heat of the moment and he was fired up because Green went for his legs... but he's a big boy and should be able to control his emotinos and not act like a 2 year old...

I was glad to see he got ripped a new one... also happy to see him go out there as they were wheeling Green off...

but the taunting was uncalled for and classless. Not saying TJ is because I don't know the guy... but that move was.
I'm not saying he should have done what he did. I 'm just saying, I can understand why he was pissed though. That could have easily ended his season.
 

utahmark

markbeth
he was just talking crap to someone that clipped him, I don't think he even realized the injury was serious
maybe so, still it was a legal block. how else is a qb gonna block a lineman that big. trent was just doing what he could to help his player gain some yards.

if you didnt see the play it was when green went down. green was laying face down not moving after a low (but legal) block that took tj out. tj then gets up and taunts him while he is laying unconscious on the ground.

enough with the negitives kris brown rules.
 

jaybird

Waterboy
he was just talking crap to someone that clipped him, I don't think he even realized the injury was serious
Even if Green wasn't hurt that's still a 15 yard penalty and a first down for 'talking crap'... just don't do it... especially after having a GREAT defensive play.
 

grinch1134

Waterboy
taunting= classless

defending yourself with harsh words= what anyone would do

Taunting= Hah look now you can't get up

Defending yourself= why the hell are you going for my knees, you could end my career
 

mexican_texan

Furry Tractors
If you're pissed yell at your buddies... yell at the sky... yell at the ground... don't walk up to the guy on the ground who is not moving and yell at him... he might not have 'meant' to taunt... but it was an easy call.

And to me it was obvious Green was hurt... I figured he had a concussion just cus that's his MO.... I don't want to get on the guy too much, but it was a stupid move.
It's not like TJ walked up to Green and started yelling. As soon as he got up, he turned around, looked for Green and pointed at him, yelling. He didn't even stop, he did it as he was walking towards the sideline.
 

utahmark

markbeth
You don't taunt someone period in football... you especially don't taunt someone who is laying on the ground and not moving... I understand it was the heat of the moment and he was fired up because Green went for his legs... but he's a big boy and should be able to control his emotinos and not act like a 2 year old...

I was glad to see he got ripped a new one... also happy to see him go out there as they were wheeling Green off...

but the taunting was uncalled for and classless. Not saying TJ is because I don't know the guy... but that move was.
where did you see that? did the coach talk to him?
 

jaybird

Waterboy
It's not like TJ walked up to Green and started yelling. As soon as he got up, he turned around, looked for Green and pointed at him, yelling. He didn't even stop, he did it as he was walking towards the sideline.
You don't have to stop... he yelled at him at least three times and pointed at him... I give him credit for walking off, but still stupid... he made a point of walking right by Trent and yelling at him on the ground... textbook taunting.
 

NitroGSXR

Super Sic #58
maybe so, still it was a legal block. how else is a qb gonna block a lineman that big. trent was just doing what he could to help his player gain some yards.

if you didnt see the play it was when green went down. green was laying face down not moving after a low (but legal) block that took tj out. tj then gets up and taunts him while he is laying unconscious on the ground.

enough with the negitives kris brown rules.
A legal block? I'm sorry but that was a blatant chop block. Chop blocks are illegal and the Dolphins should have gotten penalized on that play. I hope Trent Green gets well though. And I hope that Travis gets a little bit of yelling by the coaches but I really don't think he was taunting. He was mad because he just got chop blocked. BAD. That 300+ man did a somersault! ONly way you're going to flip a guy that size is to chop block him.
 

jaybird

Waterboy
where did you see that? did the coach talk to him?
TJ didn't make it off the field before the coach was in his ear... he was TICKED as soon as the flag came out then made it almost to the hash and was in his ear... nice thing was that it looked like he was yelling at him at first but then got up close and I'm guessing he was saying something along the lines of "I understand your ticked but you gotta control your emotions"

which is always why I'm guessing TJ went back out there when Trent was on the stretcher...

I think TJ is a good guy... and understand completley being ticked... I'm just more mad because it was a horrible move on his part to yell at a guy on the ground after you make a great play because that gave Miami a TD essentially.
 

Leahmic223

Veteran
A legal block? I'm sorry but that was a blatant chop block. Chop blocks are illegal and the Dolphins should have gotten penalized on that play. I hope Trent Green gets well though. And I hope that Travis gets a little bit of yelling by the coaches but I really don't think he was taunting. He was mad because he just got chop blocked. BAD. That 300+ man did a somersault! ONly way you're going to flip a guy that size is to chop block him.
Exactly.

There is no reason Travis should be flying up in the air the way he did, that was in no way a legal block. I don't know if Trent just missed the block and his head got in the way (which looks to be what happened) but you can't throw your body at someone's knees that way. Like I said, that could have easily been a serious injury to Travis. And you think Travis wants to go back on IR? He wants to prove himself this year, I think he was just pissed. I think he would have apologized if he had the chance to but at the moment he was just pissed.
 

Maddict5

Hall of Fame
If you're pissed yell at your buddies... yell at the sky... yell at the ground... don't walk up to the guy on the ground who is not moving and yell at him... he might not have 'meant' to taunt... but it was an easy call.
yeah dont yell at the guy that could've seriously injured you...:confused:


i have no prob with what tj did.. he obviously didnt think green was seriously injured and it was a really dangerous block
 

jaybird

Waterboy
yeah dont yell at the guy that could've seriously injured you...:confused:


i have no prob with what tj did.. he obviously didnt think green was seriously injured and it was a really dangerous block
Not when it is going to give you a friggin penalty... even if Green was 100% fine and just slow to get up he's going to get a penalty...
 

gjmac2

Waterboy
Travis got caught up in the heat of the moment. I don't know him personally, but so far he has shown nothing, on or off the field, to indicate that he is "classless" or a bad guy.

The type of block Trent Green threw is dangerous, especially when you do it when the other guy is not looking, as you could end a players career by wrecking their knee(s). That's why Travis was hovering above Trent Green, he was mad.

I played football, and have had a guy cut block me before while I wasn't looking. The initial reaction is to rip someones head off. It's a legal block, and I wouldn't classify it as dirty, but I would say it's a "cheap" block.

My point is, I think Travis deserves the benefit of the doubt. I have not heard any post game comments, but I'm sure Travis feels bad about his actions.
 

grinch1134

Waterboy
I think TJ is a good guy... and understand completley being ticked... I'm just more mad because it was a horrible move on his part to yell at a guy on the ground after you make a great play because that gave Miami a TD essentially.

horrible move yes, classless no
a penalty is a penalty, but it doesn't make you classless
 

jaybird

Waterboy
horrible move yes, classless no
a penalty is a penalty, but it doesn't make you classless
I agree with that for the most part - I think the act/what he did was classless/horrible however you want to put it... but I don't know the man so I can't call him anything. I'm just more ticked that we got a penalty because of him on a day when we had way too many penalties... and whether Green was hurt or not, you yell at a guy on the ground like that and you're getting flagged.
 

Maddict5

Hall of Fame
Not when it is going to give you a friggin penalty... even if Green was 100% fine and just slow to get up he's going to get a penalty...
look at any nfl game... you'll see guys get angry at each other all the time- alot of times its not a penalty (because tj wasnt really taunting, just angry).. i think some of ye guys are being harsh and i think theres plenty more important things to talk about after this game.. its not like he pulled a haynesworth or anything
 

utahmark

markbeth
A legal block? I'm sorry but that was a blatant chop block. Chop blocks are illegal and the Dolphins should have gotten penalized on that play. I hope Trent Green gets well though. And I hope that Travis gets a little bit of yelling by the coaches but I really don't think he was taunting. He was mad because he just got chop blocked. BAD. That 300+ man did a somersault! ONly way you're going to flip a guy that size is to chop block him.
actually your wrong. if a player is not engaged and you dont block him from behind going low is perfectly legal.

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=24597&pid=1344

http://sports.expertvillage.com/experts/cut-chop-block.htm
 

jaybird

Waterboy
look at any nfl game... you'll see guys get angry at each other all the time- alot of times its not a penalty (because tj wasnt really taunting, just angry).. i think some of ye guys are being harsh and i think theres plenty more important things to talk about after this game.. its not like he pulled a haynesworth or anything
If you yell at a guy who is laying on the ground who is not on your team you will get flagged... and they haven't said what he said either... he could have easily yelled 'that's what you get' or something like that which is easily taunting..

it was an easy call for the refs and a stupid move that could have cost the game.

Way too many penalities over all which needs to be cleaned up before the game next week.
 

Allstar

Bona fide
I doubt TJ knew knew the injury was serious. He probably would have gotten a penalty even if Green wasn't hurt by shoving him or something. He was furious because he knew that block could have ended his season, so he got up to say something to him, and when he saw that Green was on the ground he probably said something along the lines of, "Yeah, look what happens when you try to pull that ****." It was by no means a good decision, but I don't consider him a "classless" individual, I don't know the guy.
 

Trap_Star

SiteContributor
unnecessary, yes......classless? no. taunting/trash-talking is part of the game. if you ever played, you'd know.
 

Maddict5

Hall of Fame
If you yell at a guy who is laying on the ground who is not on your team you will get flagged... and they haven't said what he said either... he could have easily yelled 'that's what you get' or something like that which is easily taunting..

it was an easy call for the refs and a stupid move that could have cost the game.

Way too many penalities over all which needs to be cleaned up before the game next week.
im done with this, i dont care what tj did, its a non-issue in the grand scheme of things, i know i would prob have done the same if i was him... green got what he deserved for a very dangerous block- we'd all be singing a different tune if tj had blown his knee out, which could've easily happened
 

NitroGSXR

Super Sic #58
actually your wrong. if a player is not engaged and you dont block him from behind going low is perfectly legal.

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=24597&pid=1344

http://sports.expertvillage.com/experts/cut-chop-block.htm
Hmmm. I read the articles. I want solid clarification though. Something along the lines of NFL rules. The link you provided had to do with college. You just may very well be right. This is interesting though. I didn't realize that it'd only be illegal in the trenches.

Whatever the rule may be, I still don't agree with the play. It was a low and extremely dangerous blow. Just not the kind of football I'd play.
 

ensign_lee

Rookie
Trent Green could have ended TJ's career right there if he hit him in a certain way. I can see why TJ would be EXTREMELY PISSED about that fact.

I think that penalty was freaking weaksauce.

Yes; Trent Green's career may be over. I am very sorry for that fact. But it was his choice to try to throw a block that way.
 

jaybird

Waterboy
Just saw the reply again... TJ went right at him... easy call...

glad TJ was not hurt - looked like Green was trying to take his legs out and I understand how he can be mad, but no need to go taunt him...

and for those of you who say it was not a taunt... when you walk up to a guy on the ground and start yellling and pointing your finger at him it's an easy taunt call.

not saying he is classless... just very stupid move on TJ after a good defensive play. I understand being angry, but you can't yell at a guy on the ground like that.
 

Maddict5

Hall of Fame
to me your actions define who you are. didnt you watch batman. you do classless things then in my book your classless. pretty simple.
maybe you should start following gymnastics or something- now theres a sport where nothing bad ever happens to anybody.. righteousness ftw!
 

Leahmic223

Veteran
Hmmm. I read the articles. I want solid clarification though. Something along the lines of NFL rules. The link you provided had to do with college. You just may very well be right. This is interesting though. I didn't realize that it'd only be illegal in the trenches.

Whatever the rule may be, I still don't agree with the play. It was a low and extremely dangerous blow. Just not the kind of football I'd play.
It could be legal (I am not sure, I Was pretty sure throwing a block like that to the knee was a no no though) but you don't do it.

Even if it's legal he shouldn't be doing it, because that means our guys are probably going to turn around and say "OKay if they are going to do it, we are too." just like in baseball. Next thing you know 4 guys are on IR from both teams.
 

utahmark

markbeth
Hmmm. I read the articles. I want solid clarification though. Something along the lines of NFL rules. The link you provided had to do with college. You just may very well be right. This is interesting though. I didn't realize that it'd only be illegal in the trenches.

Whatever the rule may be, I still don't agree with the play. It was a low and extremely dangerous blow. Just not the kind of football I'd play.

here is another one. http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/lostfan/46663
 

utahmark

markbeth
maybe you should start following gymnastics or something- now theres a sport where nothing bad ever happens to anybody.. righteousness ftw!
cute. just cause i dont like someone taunting another player that could be dead for all he nows im now a girl.
 

MEGA SWATT

All Pro
totally classless individual. enough said....

get over it, nuff said:wild:

Travis could have blown out a knee, shoulder or broke a wrist/hand on that block. That taunting was heat of the moment. It's not like travis laid him out with a block & then stood over him sneering:cowboy1:
 

grinch1134

Waterboy
to me your actions define who you are. didnt you watch batman. you do classless things then in my book your classless. pretty simple.
Okay, argument is over when you start quoting batman. I thought you really made real arguments, not arguments justified by superhero rules.
 

HoustonFrog

Dallas Frog
Its how a man reacts that defines him. Illegal block or not he turned around and saw Green slumped and lifeless. My wife even screamed about him lying there. He then conscioulsy went over and taunted him. It didn't end there.

The bottom line is, it was a malicious hit. It was uncalled for,'' Johnson said. "He's like the scarecrow. He wants to get courage while I wasn't looking, and hit me in my knee instead of trying to hit me in my head. God don't like ugly, you know what I mean?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3053104

He should have dropped it...classless
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
to me your actions define who you are. didnt you watch batman. you do classless things then in my book your classless. pretty simple.
Wouldn't it be nice if there was someone who could follow you around and freak out everytime you made a bad decision or let your emotions get the better of you in about a time frame of 2 seconds. It was pretty obvious TJ didn't know Green was seriously hurt and he was obviously PO'd, but lets go ahead and blast a guy for doing something everyone here has done at one time or another.........and that's let his emotions get the better of him.

P.S.

What does "Batman" have to do with a play on the field?
 

Maddict5

Hall of Fame
cute. just cause i dont like someone taunting another player that could be dead for all he nows im now a girl.
travis COULD'VE snapped his spinal chord when he landed after green's dangerous block...sorry sensationalism ftw!


seriously i put it in perspective by thinking of it as an everyday occurrence to see how id react- if you were driving along in your car and something crashes into you because they were driving dangerously and could've seriously injured you.. do you get out of the car and get angry or think to yourself 'maybe i shouldn't get angry because they might be injured too? i know what id do
 

MEGA SWATT

All Pro
Just saw the reply again... TJ went right at him... easy call...

glad TJ was not hurt - looked like Green was trying to take his legs out and I understand how he can be mad, but no need to go taunt him...

and for those of you who say it was not a taunt... when you walk up to a guy on the ground and start yellling and pointing your finger at him it's an easy taunt call.

not saying he is classless... just very stupid move on TJ after a good defensive play. I understand being angry, but you can't yell at a guy on the ground like that.
dude, get over it already; you're whining:cowboy1:
 

Leahmic223

Veteran
Its how a man reacts that defines him. Illegal block or not he turned around and saw Green slumped and lifeless. My wife even screamed about him lying there. He then conscioulsy went over and taunted him. It didn't end there.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3053104

He should have dropped it...classless
I'll wait to see the whole interview...ESPN tends to sensationalize things a bit.

He was limping though, it was not a good block, and I can understand TJs frustration. As he said, he has to eat to, that could have gave him a serious injury. Look at Spencer and how long its taken him to come back from his injury, different circumstances still though... a knee injury does not bode well for a guy that's that big and has had a tendecy to be out of shape.
 
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