So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures . Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so . Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ? Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ? What say yea ?
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whiskeyrbl
Guest
What are you talking about???
YellerLotYeller
nice marmot
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If healthy, both of them are excellent backs quite worthy of starting for the Texans. The problem is they won't stay healthy. The eye for talent is there my friend, it's his prognosticating the future health of his players is off. However, signing Green with a known history of problems was simply a stop gap measure, not a fix.
We are going to have to get a good back in the draft next year.
We are going to have to get a good back in the draft next year.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
We just have too many needs. We didn't fill any of them when we got Okoye, but who wants to give him up? Thought so.
We don't just need a durable, talented RB.
We also need a talented CB, a durable, talented LT, a ball-hawking FS, and we may even still need a real #2 WR. I know we got AD and JJ, but I suspect they will BOTH turn out to be injury prone. I guess we could have them take turns being injured. Mathis of course is going to sit out if he breaks a nail.
We don't just need a durable, talented RB.
We also need a talented CB, a durable, talented LT, a ball-hawking FS, and we may even still need a real #2 WR. I know we got AD and JJ, but I suspect they will BOTH turn out to be injury prone. I guess we could have them take turns being injured. Mathis of course is going to sit out if he breaks a nail.
I do believe he was signed for four years so thats not just a stop gap .
Trap_Star
SiteContributor
are you "Joe from Pasadena"?
Why are we bringing this guy up ? We had many more picks besides the number one . Kubiak did support dd all the way up till the day dd told the media he was done .
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
With a 6 million signing bonus that is easily swallowed over two years should the situation go south. Peanuts really for a cap that goes up incrementally year over year (109m next year) with us estimated to have 30 million to spend next year.
Green is a non issue for the fiscal health of the Texans.
Wide receivers are not a need in this draft we do need a CB and LT but the problem for this coach has been RB .
Great we have cash so where is the beef ? Just cause it looks like a horse and eats like a horse does not mean it will run like one .
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Your analogy reeks. I understand what you're trying to approach but you have to remember that noone can forsee injuries. It's like you're asking the Texans to look in a crystal ball and predict the future.
Ahman Green never was injury-prone. He got injured and it cost him almost a whole season but he is in no way injury-prone. So I don't agree with you on calling out the Texans for signing an injury-prone fellow. Sh*t happens.
Domanick Davis/Williams was beaten down and he had a career ending injury. How does a career ending injury make one to be injury-prone?
I understand what you're trying to say but I do not agree with it one bit.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I hope that Smith and Kubiak are not consulting Old McDonald's business plan, for his farm, to build this team, but heck I'll be your huckleberry, tell me more.
michaelm
vox nihili
Kubiak inherited Dominick, and had no control over the fact that the team was obligated to his contract in the coach's first year.
The jury is still out on Ahman, but when he's healthy, he is an asset to the team. Virtually every running back will miss the occasional game or two in a season, and Ahman's injury isn't threatening to end his year.
drewmar74
disgruntled
Okay. For starters, Kubiak has shown a lot of promise as a coach but he's also shown some chinks in the armor. He's got this team motivated and is changing a losing culture which is INCREDIBLY hard to do. So said, you can still see holes in some of the playcalling (find me a fan that doesn't have complaints with his/her coach's playcalling) and his clock management will make you scratch your head sometime. So "great and all wonderful?" No. Solid and showing lots of potential for the future? Yes.
Domanick Davis / Williams a failure? Wow. Okay, DW was probably best suited to being a third down back but toted the rock as a number 1 RB for three years and broke down under the load. DW had 3195 rushing yards, 1276 receiving yards, and 28 TD's in his short career. He's still the Texans' all-time leading rusher and most Texans' fans have a soft spot in their heart for the man who, for a time, was the Texans' most potent weapon. Heck, if it hadn't have been for DW catching all of those passes out of the backfield then David Carr would have had his confidence shattered much, much earlier. DW may have left a bad taste in some folks mouth with regards to his knee, but he was in no way a failure. Furthermore, Kubiak was in no way responsible for DW's knee or contract and saying that Kubiak put his faith in him is, in my opinion, inaccurate at best.
Ahman Green was brought in as a short term solution (yes, a stop gap) at running back and his contract is built like many are these days - essentially a 1 or 2 year deal with lots of "funny money" in the back end of it that AG will probably never see. Now, calling a five-time Pro Bowl selection with 8640 rushing yards, 2744 receiving yards, and 69 TD's a failure is laughable. Furthermore, AG is known as being a fantastic pass protector and you will never be able to tell me that was not a huge factor in why he was sought by our GM and HC. He's been nicked up for sure. But he's also been the only back we've had who's had ANY measure of success running the ball. He'll be back again this year and I'm sure that he'll be productive. I'm also sure that he'll miss some more time because he's older for a RB. Does that make the AG signing in the off season a bad one? No. I'd say not. What was a questionable decision was going into the season with only Ron Dayne and Samkon Gado behind him.
This one to me is the funniest. You make it sound like Kubiak and Smith have been laboring with the RB situation at Houston almost as long as Chicago has been trying to find a QB. Ahhh yes. The 2 years of woefully inadequate RB play. Dude, in case you haven't noticed, they've remedied the woefully inadequate QB play, TE play, OL play, DL play, etc. They had soooo many freakin' HOLES on the roster that they couldn't address all of them immediately. Based on that, I'm willing to give them a pass (albeit a short one) on the RB play. So based on what I've seen out of him and Rick Smith I would be inclined to say "Heck yes, he does have it in him to find a running back." And I don't think it will take forever, either.
Uh... until Ahman comes back or we can draft / sign someone next year the answer is a firm "Maybe." Sometimes Dayne is good for two yards depending on how many D-linemen he bounces off of when he falls.
Any knee injury for a running back is very serious and ahman green had such a injury in greenbay . Once this type of injury occurs it can reoccur with only a quick cut such as Ahman did in the indy game . A man with Kubiaks background should understand that so yes it was a risk by kubiak .
Is this team motivated ? Seems to me they have lost that motivation ! No one blamed Kubiak for the DW contract or his bad knee it was his trust in DW to tote the rock another year that is the question . Ahman is the solution long or short , bad knee and all and this is the big concern . There are no questions solved here including quaterback as of this writing we are still losers . Dayne is a one yard and a cloud of fat if that .
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
"Jordan pulls up for the jumper......(swish) and that's the game folks".
This sums it up nicely and this thread should now be closed. Perfectly stated Drewmar. I think this guy is just trying to spread "the love", and by love I mean anger.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Hold on a second professor. Surely you check your facts before you start spewing garbage or is it you like to have fun with whimisical confabulations over whine and cheese?
http://www.packers.com/team/players/green_ahman/
beerlover
Hall of Fame
football is an emotional game the fans respond the only was they know how to respond- with emotion 
we're all irrelevent the only one who matters is the guy signing the checks
long as he feels rewarded, which in this case is building a winning organization he'll continue to let his football people make the decisions & I for one appreciate him & the people he trusts to get the job done 
we're all irrelevent the only one who matters is the guy signing the checks
long as he feels rewarded, which in this case is building a winning organization he'll continue to let his football people make the decisions & I for one appreciate him & the people he trusts to get the job done 
TexansFaninNC
Practice Squad
Before any of you actually dignify Pappy's ridiculous garbage with any more responses, consider this. .
He still thinks David Carr is a better 'quaterback' than Matt Schaub.
I am wondering how many beers he had before he went on his rant myself. Maybe the Texans should fire Kubiak and hire this "Pappy" character since he knows so much, he could be the next head coach.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
His contract is for 4 years but the way it's structured, we can ditch him after 2 years with minimal cap hit.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Let me give you and our dear professor a hand here; as taken from KT's link:
"Ruptured right quadriceps tendon, the first significant injury of his pro career"
Señor Stan
El Guapo
C'mon give the guy a break...You know the old song...
The knee bone's connected to the quad bone....
Oh, wait a minute...He injured his RIGHT quad with Green Bay and his LEFT knee with the Texans.
Them bones ain't connected.
TigerV1
Rookie
Before any of you actually dignify Pappy's ridiculous garbage with any more responses, consider this. .
He still thinks David Carr is a better 'quaterback' than Matt Schaub.
Wow, I can't believe anyone actually thinks that way still.
Newsflash: The world isn't flat and David Carr still stinks.
I have no doubt that the running back issue will be addressed, but Pappy, keep in mind that Gary Kubiak approaches the running backs the same way Denver does...by committee. Since this isn't fantasy football I could care less the approach. It will improve, but no worries.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Ya know it amazes me how peple react to one game where green was not the runningback who could not get the one yard.
Smith has had one draft and really one off season to repair all the crap that the C & C FUBAR factory did.
There was no other runningbacks available during the off season so they went with the best available.
drewmar74
disgruntled
Based on what? A single game? Yeah, they showed up a little flat. The play calling was marginal on both sides of the ball and the running game was crap. But explain this to me, genius: If they weren't motivated, how come they were still trying to claw there way (no matter how inept that clawing was) back into the game in Q4? How come they were still fighting against Indy in Q4? These guys are sooooo much more motivated than the previous squads and it shows because there doesn't appears to be NO QUIT in this team.
Ehhhhhh.... DW said he was going to be good to go. I won't fault Kubiak for trusting him on that. They had other holes to fill on the roster and DW said he'd be good to go, so Rick and Gary started filling those holes. Was it the right move on their part? Maybe not. For what its worth, these guys appear to be learning from their mistakes and don't seem to be counting on injured players to recover.
Well, the OL appears to be better (not great, but better). The WR play is no longer limited to AJ. The TE's are contributing in the passing game. Our QB doesn't collapse and go fetal 2-4 times per game... and he can also attack a cover 2 defense! The defense is improved, if nothing else, just by the fact that the offense is not leaving them on the field for 45 minutes a game by constantly going 3 and out.
And we're not "still losers." We're actually .500 and have a shot at being there at the end of the year. But what makes this team not "losers" is the fact that they don't quit even when their backs are against the wall.
I could go on and on, but I'm starting to feel like I'm beating my head against a wall.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
I am not a loser and neither is the team, the only loser I see here at the moment is you, pal !
No questions solved? Sorry but I think you ment to post that part over on the Carolina board. Are we sure this is not Hulk or his brother or mother trying to stir crap up because of great, I mean bad Davey played Sunday.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
I don't fault Kubes for thinking DW would be able to play. Most of us on this board thought he would be back. He had a knee injury and IIRC, he was cleared to play but decided not to. I remember Kubiak stating that DW's knee would never be the same and that he had to learn to adjust and play on it with the way it was. Now, if we want to discuss heart, that's another issue. DW maybe should have played through the knee issue after it healed, he chose not to. Do I fault him? I don't know, haven't really given it another thought since he left. He got his contract and money and hit the road. Happens.
Hooston Texan
Rookie
When you are building a team from scratch like we've been doing the last 20 months, tailback should be about the last position addressed. Their careers are very short because they take such a pounding. So even if you get The Man at TB, he may wear out before your team is ready to contend.
Tailback is about the easiest position in the NFL to learn (if--and it's a big if--they know how to pass-protect), so guys can be plugged in from off the street. You won't be getting LDT that way, but if the line creates a hole, any competent TB can get through it.
This is why the Ahman signing made so much sense. He's a good back who only had one previous serious injury--at his age, that is really good (compare, say, fellow 1998 draft class member Fred Taylor). And his is basically a two year deal, so he buys us time to get everything else in place with few strings attached. It is bad luck he got hurt, but if he's back this week, it's all good.
But I think we still need another back to help out the passing game to take the heat off Green. Dayne obviously can't, and I'm assuming Gado can't since he has barely played. There is a back out there who (1) can catch the ball, (2) knows Kubiak's offense and (3) as a huge bonus, is very familiar with Matt Schaub. I know most of you are probably not huge Wali Lundy fans, but I think he can do well in a third-down back type role so that Ahman does not have to take all the pounding. Lundy caught Schaub's check-downs for two years at UVA and was excellent getting the ball up the field (contrast with Cook and Leach who pretty much get tackled right where they catch it). He's no All-Pro, but he can plug right in and give Schaub another viable target in the passing game.
Tailback is about the easiest position in the NFL to learn (if--and it's a big if--they know how to pass-protect), so guys can be plugged in from off the street. You won't be getting LDT that way, but if the line creates a hole, any competent TB can get through it.
This is why the Ahman signing made so much sense. He's a good back who only had one previous serious injury--at his age, that is really good (compare, say, fellow 1998 draft class member Fred Taylor). And his is basically a two year deal, so he buys us time to get everything else in place with few strings attached. It is bad luck he got hurt, but if he's back this week, it's all good.
But I think we still need another back to help out the passing game to take the heat off Green. Dayne obviously can't, and I'm assuming Gado can't since he has barely played. There is a back out there who (1) can catch the ball, (2) knows Kubiak's offense and (3) as a huge bonus, is very familiar with Matt Schaub. I know most of you are probably not huge Wali Lundy fans, but I think he can do well in a third-down back type role so that Ahman does not have to take all the pounding. Lundy caught Schaub's check-downs for two years at UVA and was excellent getting the ball up the field (contrast with Cook and Leach who pretty much get tackled right where they catch it). He's no All-Pro, but he can plug right in and give Schaub another viable target in the passing game.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Rep for you! Unfortunately, your post probably will be overlooked since the instigator of this post doesn't really sound too serious about talking football.
Outstanding post.
R
real
Guest
I think they should bring Wali back too...
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
IMO, Wali isn't an improvement over Dayne or Gado.
I think we've just got to face the fact that we're stuck with what we have for the season. Sadly, if Green continues to have issues throughout the season, our running game will remain towards the bottom of the league.
We are who we are.
R
real
Guest
I think Wali gives us something we don't have, and that is quickness in the backfield.
IMHO, Lundy would have been the better back to keep rather than Samkon...
But I think politics played a big part in that decision.
IMHO, Lundy would have been the better back to keep rather than Samkon...
But I think politics played a big part in that decision.
Pappy and Caddy need to hook up.
You know if you take "Pappy" and turn it upside down and look at it in the mirror, it looks alot like "Caddy".
Hooston Texan
Rookie
In response to the post about Lundy not improving the running game:
That's not my point. Improving the running game is basically Green's job. But if he's too hurt or can't do it, then we'll need to adjust to a short passing game. The good news is that we have exactly the right QB to do just that. But Schaub needs someone coming out of the backfield who can turn those two-yard checkdowns into six yard gains. Dayne can't catch and Cook/Leach can't do anything with the ball once they get it. Green is certainly a weapon in the passing game, but if he has to be our primary ballcarrier AND primary out-of-the-backfield-receiver, he's not going to last the season.
Maybe Gado can do it, but if he could, then why wasn't he on the field in the Atlanta game when we were finally throwing it? As I see it, having Dayne and Gado on the roster together is a decision the Department of Redundancy Department would be proud of.
I'm not saying Lundy improves the running attack (though I don't rule that out if Green is hurt), but we're looking like we have a marginal ground game at best with or without him. If that's the case, we better be able to work the short passing game, and to do that, we need someone like Lundy.
That's not my point. Improving the running game is basically Green's job. But if he's too hurt or can't do it, then we'll need to adjust to a short passing game. The good news is that we have exactly the right QB to do just that. But Schaub needs someone coming out of the backfield who can turn those two-yard checkdowns into six yard gains. Dayne can't catch and Cook/Leach can't do anything with the ball once they get it. Green is certainly a weapon in the passing game, but if he has to be our primary ballcarrier AND primary out-of-the-backfield-receiver, he's not going to last the season.
Maybe Gado can do it, but if he could, then why wasn't he on the field in the Atlanta game when we were finally throwing it? As I see it, having Dayne and Gado on the roster together is a decision the Department of Redundancy Department would be proud of.
I'm not saying Lundy improves the running attack (though I don't rule that out if Green is hurt), but we're looking like we have a marginal ground game at best with or without him. If that's the case, we better be able to work the short passing game, and to do that, we need someone like Lundy.
This is a good addition to this post and I like what you have to say . Clearly you have a good EyE for talent and are not afraid to state your case . There however does seem to be alot of folks here who only add personal snipes to this discussion . It will always be my opinion that those who snipe are just agreeing with my complaint and are angry they dont have a constructive argument . But getting back to the topic , Kubiak was hailed by everyone here when he arrived for his ability to create running backs .
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=2552
So where is that talent ? All he has done is hire washed up veterans !
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Is that you Johnsonfan?!?!?
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I was just thinking to myself?... "Self, how did you miss thread?"
After reading very little of it, I am now thinking to myself...."Self, you are dumber for having read any of it"...
Grams
Veteran
R
real
Guest
And all you have done is pollute the boards.
What is your point anyway?
That Kubiak is a bad coach ?
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
You're right... but it's got to be someone logged on as a different user name just to: 
HarryJ?????
And what is your point ? Oh thats right you don't have any .
So says you who brings up an article from a year and a half ago.
What do you want the head coach to do? The team he inherited had some serious problems, including a massive dead cap hit from the previous staff's ineptitude ($30 million this season alone).
You make derogatory comments about the head coach without offering any viable alternative solutions. And you want to call out folks for not having a point?
Before any of you actually dignify Pappy's ridiculous garbage with any more responses, consider this. .
He still thinks David Carr is a better 'quaterback' than Matt Schaub.
Say no more. We have a worm in our midst.
