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kiwitexansfan

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What do we really need??

My list reads:
Cornerback
Left Tackle
Running Back
Free Safety
Strong Safety
Outside Linebacker x 2

Have I missed anything??
 
Hold up everyone. We just drafted fred Bennett in the last draft. I say, lets see what he can do before we start saying draft a corner.

Although, if Bennett works out, maybe we go with a first round CB and then move Dunta to FS. That could potentially solve our FS problem.
 
I'd like to see us draft a top tier corner or FS....

I think Fred Bennet, Faggins, and Fletcher should all battle for the nickel back next year...

I think Fred Bennet's future role is a good solid nickel back/special teamer for us...
 
awtysst said:
Hold up everyone. We just drafted fred Bennett in the last draft. I say, lets see what he can do before we start saying draft a corner.

Although, if Bennett works out, maybe we go with a first round CB and then move Dunta to FS. That could potentially solve our FS problem.
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No...I thought we'd put this one to bed. Dunta is not big enough to play FS, unless you want to shorten his career.
 
rollinstone18 said:
Dunta is taller than Bob Sanders.
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A) they are built differently, b) their skill sets are very different and c) Sanders tends to miss some time every year.

Do we really want to move our best CB to FS, and start Bennett and xxxxx?

Leave Dunta at CB, and work from there.
 
We do have money this year, so we should see who is going to be available in Free Agency too.

I think we are either going to draft a DB in the first and go after a running back in free agency or go after a DB in free agency and draft a RB in the first.
 
tulexan said:
We do have money this year, so we should see who is going to be available in Free Agency too.

I think we are either going to draft a DB in the first and go after a running back in free agency or go after a DB in free agency and draft a RB in the first.
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Yup. We do have money. I would like to see us go after a Michael Turner or Terrell Suggs. Can you imagine a D with Amobi and Mario upfront and then Demeco and Suggs behind?!
 
tulexan said:
We do have money this year, so we should see who is going to be available in Free Agency too.

I think we are either going to draft a DB in the first and go after a running back in free agency or go after a DB in free agency and draft a RB in the first.
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Guys we need to target:
Alan Faneca - OL
Asante Samuel - CB

The talent of RB in this year's draft exceeds what will be available in FA.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
A) they are built differently, b) their skill sets are very different and c) Sanders tends to miss some time every year.

Do we really want to move our best CB to FS, and start Bennett and xxxxx?

Leave Dunta at CB, and work from there.
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Actually I think they are built more similar than not. But, no, I don't want to move Dunta to SS or FS.
 
rollinstone18 said:
Guys we need to target:
Alan Faneca - OL
Asante Samuel - CB

The talent of RB in this year's draft exceeds what will be available in FA.
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Samuel would be great to pair with Dunta, but isnt Faneca a LG? If so, don't we already have Pitts there and Studdard behind him? Are you suggesting moving Faneca to RG and have Weary play center?
 
awtysst said:
Samuel would be great to pair with Dunta, but isnt Faneca a LG? If so, don't we already have Pitts there and Studdard behind him? Are you suggesting moving Faneca to RG and have Weary play center?
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Faneca has played LT before. 8 games or so if I'm not mistaken. But he mostly is a LG. Faneca's role would be dependant on Spencer's recovery. I think Faneca can play LT if Spencer is unable to.
 
beerlover said:
bpa of the above postions :cool:
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Agreed. Another thing you might consider is there is no garuntee that McKinney will come back. He's not a youngster any more. He's vested and he has business interests. Sucessful business interests.

What I see on the board is a hole bunch of very athletic LBs. The first day is going to littered with them. I think they'll buy a CB. I've all but given up hope that they'll invest high in o-lineman. Hey two weeks untill they pull the top off of the "Will Chalres Spencer come back" present. A true October surprise .
 
awtysst said:
Yup. We do have money. I would like to see us go after a Michael Turner or Terrell Suggs. Can you imagine a D with Amobi and Mario upfront and then Demeco and Suggs behind?!
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The're not going to buy Turner. If they were going with a scat guy Quintan Griffen would already be on the roster. And about Suggs, what are you going to do with Weaver then ? I think with the cap you can have one or the other but not both. Kinda like A.J. and every year someone posts we're going to drat a WR high. Nope ain't going to do it as long as A.J. is walking around healthy. Draft is going to be loaded with RBs. All shapes and sizes. Every round. I think it's a boom or bust year for Benson. Not saying they'll do it. But, chicago might cut the cord this June. we seem to be making a statement about older, under achieving RB and offensive lineman.
 
awtysst said:
Hold up everyone. We just drafted fred Bennett in the last draft. I say, lets see what he can do before we start saying draft a corner.

Although, if Bennett works out, maybe we go with a first round CB and then move Dunta to FS. That could potentially solve our FS problem.
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NO WAY.

Draft a CB. EARLY. If Bennett works out.. what a shame to have 3 CBs. No way I'm moving Dunta to FS though. NO WAY. His cover skills are just too good. You want a good cover guy as FS. You don't want your best cover guy as an FS. You want him locking down the opponents best reciever. Just my opinion though.

Mike
 
threetoedpete said:
The're not going to buy Turner. If they were going with a scat guy Quintan Griffen would already be on the roster. And about Suggs, what are you going to do with Weaver then ? I think with the cap you can have one or the other but not both. Kinda like A.J. and every year someone posts we're going to drat a WR high. Nope ain't going to do it as long as A.J. is walking around healthy. Draft is going to be loaded with RBs. All shapes and sizes. Every round. I think it's a boom or bust year for Benson. Not saying they'll do it. But, chicago might cut the cord this June. we seem to be making a statement about older, under achieving RB and offensive lineman.
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Three I luv ya man. But did you just call Turner a scat back?
 
Texanmike said:
Three I luv ya man. But did you just call Turner a scat back?
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I'm with you on this one, but I am not in favor of giving Turner all that money, and I bet Smith/Kubiak will think the same way.

Also I think the trouble at LT is overblown. If Spencer is not able to play LT again, but can play, he replaces Weary who is a FA after this year, IIRC. We currently are paying two guys to develop as LT, Butler and Frye, not saying either one is the answer, but if either one is the coaches should know by the next draft.

Also I think we need to give the coaches and new safeties time to figure each other out, we may have our safeties of the future in Boulware and Demps.

CB
RB
FS if Demps is a bust
OLB
OC to backup White if he starts or to push if White stumbles.
After that BPA.
 
threetoedpete said:
The're not going to buy Turner. If they were going with a scat guy Quintan Griffen would already be on the roster.
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There is a huge difference between Michael Turner and Quentin Griffin. Griffin hasn't played in the NFL since 2004 and is undersized. Turner is like the Matt Schaub of running backs and is one of the most sought after free agents even though he doesn't even start. He is also a big back at 5'10 235.

Now, do I think we will sign Turner? No, because he will probably be too expensive and there are some teams with huge holes at running back now like TB, GB, and NYG. Also, I think we will go after a running back in the first round because this draft is loaded with elite running backs (assuming top underclassmen declare) and one will fall to us where ever we pick.

Darren McFadden
Ray Rice
Mike Hart
Steve Slaton
Felix Jones

All of those guys are worth first round picks. McFadden will definitely be gone, but at least one of those other players will be available and probably a few of them. They would also all be upgrades to what we currently have at the position
 
In this draft I'd be more inclined to take the best DB available in the first and drafting a good young talented RB in the third...

But there are so many variables that it makes it hard to say...
 
Just take an RB in the 1st already. Turner has been around for a while, and his "Shelf Life" is about half over.

Cb
RB
Olb

3 biggest priorities right now.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Just take an RB in the 1st already. Turner has been around for a while, and his "Shelf Life" is about half over.

Cb
RB
Olb

3 biggest priorities right now.
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The determining factor in the playing lenght of an NFL RB is carries not years. I'd be willing to bet of all the RBs drafted in the same round or higher as Turner, and who are still in the NFL, Turner has the fewest carries.

I'm not saying that Turner is the answer here, just that I don't think one can call say that his "Shelf Life" (? why not just say career) is half over.

By that reasoning so would Schaub's.
 
I think what it's going to come down to is whether we can get Turner for a price that is similar or cheaper to what we would pay our first round draft pick.
 
tulexan said:
I think what it's going to come down to is whether we can get Turner for a price that is similar or cheaper to what we would pay our first round draft pick.
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I think that's a reasonable call. My hope is Slaton whom i think would be a perfect fit for what we're trying to do offensively.

I think once this PUP list is up we'll know what we're going to do at LT. I just don't have much hope at this point that Spencer will be able to resume his career from my understanding he's lucky to be walking properly.I like Frye's Raw talent and was glad he made it through waivers. Great athlete and made fit for ZBS. We need an answer at C though. With McKinney going down and Flannigan not looking like he's going to make it White might get some time there or hell might rotate Weary there and get Studdard some PT.Either way it's a spot that needs to be addressed.

I have a feeling we'll go after one of the CB's in FA. Asomaugha is the guy i'd go after as opposed to Samuels.NE guys make me nervous in their (lack of) success post NE.
 
Thank God we actually have money to work with this year considering we have no 2nd. I thinkour biggest needs are at RB, help on the o-line and help in the secondary. I'm hoping we can fill some of our most pressing holes in the secondary (FS,CB) and oline (C) via free agency considering the learning curve at those positions. In the draft we can look at RB and LB.
 
we start CC freaking Brown. If the answer to this question isn't FS in the 1st round, I don't know what is.
 
BigTimeTexanFan said:
Thank God we actually have money to work with this year considering we have no 2nd. I thinkour biggest needs are at RB, help on the o-line and help in the secondary. I'm hoping we can fill some of our most pressing holes in the secondary (FS,CB) and oline (C) via free agency considering the learning curve at those positions. In the draft we can look at RB and LB.
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I believe in buying certain positions through FA, such as CB, LB, and occasionaly a OG/OC. There are positions where the talent pool will always be thin on premier positions such as RB and OT, and FS, and quality Dline. These are positions you must address through the draft. You will not see a LJ or LT or Stephen Jackson or a Willie Parker or a Westbrook ever hit the FA market in their prime. You will never see a Pace or a Walters hit the FA market in their prime. You will never see an Ed Reed or a Dawkins or a Landry or a Mathis hit the FA market in their prime. You take your chances and draft them. The only players at these positons you will find are the guys like Salaam and Wade or a Green (servicable stop gap at best, and at best for a year) or a Boluware.
 
kastofsna said:
well, you rarely find the elite at any position available in free agency.
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not just elite, i mean starter quality. not career backups expected to contribute on our team. CB's, LB's, OG's usually have at least 1-2 quality starters available, those are the guys you buy in FA. Not necesiarly elite, but starter level.
 
Having $30 million to spend is nice but what will be available is going to be important this season in F/A. I do not see how outside LB is a more pressing need than FS or even RB for that matter. If Spencer does not make it back at a high level, LT has to be addressed in some manner next season.
 
badboy said:
Having $30 million to spend is nice but what will be available is going to be important this season in F/A. I do not see how outside LB is a more pressing need than FS or even RB for that matter. If Spencer does not make it back at a high level, LT has to be addressed in some manner next season.
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Was DT a more pressing need that FS or CB last year? Was DT a more pressing need than reciever ?

I'd rather not pass on a potential all-pro type player at OLB to reach for a DB in a class that is DB thin...

If DB is such a big weakness then we need to spend big bucks to bring someone in F/agency...We will have the money to do it...
 
badboy said:
Having $30 million to spend is nice but what will be available is going to be important this season in F/A. I do not see how outside LB is a more pressing need than FS or even RB for that matter. If Spencer does not make it back at a high level, LT has to be addressed in some manner next season.
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Is it really $30 mil? If so we could afford Faneca AND Samuel. That'd kick ass. Addressing OL and CB prior to the draft would definitely allow some flexibility with our options.
 
I knowone thing....

this next off-season should be plenty exciting...
 
real said:
Was DT a more pressing need that FS or CB last year? Was DT a more pressing need than reciever ?

I'd rather not pass on a potential all-pro type player at OLB to reach for a DB in a class that is DB thin...

If DB is such a big weakness then we need to spend big bucks to bring someone in F/agency...We will have the money to do it...
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I agree that it is great to grab a potential all pro, but we have not been able to address LT, CB and FS for 3 years. These are extremely important positions. So is OLB but our staff there is not inadequate. $30 m is great but as I said earlier what is available in FA? When I researched this a month or so ago I was not impressed. If Bennett, who has the speed and size, can be our #2 starter in 08, great. If Spencer will be our LT starter in 08 even better. Neither of those are much better than 50/50 now.We can do well with LB crew we have. IMO we must get better at FS and CB and in 2008 Salaam should not be the go to guy. I am cautious on Green in 08 at RB but that is a bigger ?mark.
 
rollinstone18 said:
Is it really $30 mil? If so we could afford Faneca AND Samuel. That'd kick ass. Addressing OL and CB prior to the draft would definitely allow some flexibility with our options.
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$30 million is correct but on Samuel was there not some questions on him being good enough to justify the salary he might draw?
 
badboy said:
I agree that it is great to grab a potential all pro, but we have not been able to address LT, CB and FS for 3 years.
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If there is an OLB who's talent level is vastly superior to any talent left on the board you want us to reach for a LT, FS or CB ?

I'll pass on that methodology.

I have more faith in this coaching staff than that, but I respect your view point...
 
real said:
If there is an OLB who's talent level is vastly superior to any talent left on the board you want us to reach for a LT, FS or CB ?

I'll pass on that methodology.

I have more faith in this coaching staff than that, but I respect your view point...
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Yes, that is what I am saying exactly. OLB is not a hole, desert or any other term you choose. I am not saying it is a strength like Dunte @ CB but you do not hve to have two probowlers at LB. CB/FS is killing us. We have not been able to cover it up. LT has been discussed as being one of two most important positions. Salaam was never meant to be the starter. Spencer was to be the man. Green is the man for 07 & maybe 08. That was the plan. Any of these positions has to have priority over OLB regardless of who is available in my view.
 
badboy said:
Can you defend your position? I am interested but going home soon.
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If you have more 5 star players than your opposition your chances are going to be better.

It's better to be Great somewher than o.k everywhere.
 
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