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Andre Johnson expected to be out 5 weeks

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JOHNSON IS EXPECTED TO MISS FIVE WEEKS

Although the injured knee of Texans receiver Andre Johnson is scheduled to be re-examined on Friday, the current scuttlebutt is that he'll miss five weeks.

We're not saying he'll miss five weeks -- we're only saying that that's the scuttlebutt. (It's the same thing as Mort saying that his report about Eli Manning missing a month wasn't wrong because his sources truly thought he would miss a month, but in this case we're disclosing that fact before, not after, the story is proven to be wr-wr-wr-wr-bullcaacaa.)

If he misses five weeks, he'll be back for the October 28 game at San Diego.



Jacoby is really going to have to step up, and the same with Kevin Walter. With Andre we could easily win 4 of the next 5, hopefully we can still salvage without him. :(
 
TexanFan881 said:
Jacoby is really going to have to step up, and the same with Kevin Walter. With Andre we could easily win 4 of the next 5, hopefully we can still salvage without him. :(
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If you want to know the WRONG information trust Pro Football Talk guy, I would rather trust the #1 Texans haters BSPN then PFT
 
Pro Football Weekly = the football equivalent of the World Weekly News. They get people's attention by posting BS that catches people's attention. This is the same site that said Amobi Okoye was already being called a bust in July, take what they say not with a grain of salt, just dismiss it. He'll be back in a week or two, wait til he's re-evaluated.
 
Five weeks takes us to the Titans game, which is right after the Jags game. If we win without him this week I would expect him to be shut down until he is healed. If we do not win I expect him to be back by the Jags game.
 
What a load of BS!

Why write something without any info to back it up? Is this rag just for rumors? Is anything they write real? Are they affiliated with Western Onion?

I don't even want to waste my time with that.
 
I'll worry about AJ this time next week. We KNOW he's missing the Colts game! The rest is just speculation on the part of id*ots who want to stir the pot! Who cares what they write! I care what KUBIAK says period!! Most wedsites, and the local ragsheet, just like to express THEIR opinion, which I could care less about!
 
Why would they be so public about his injury? Could we consider it to be something like Eli Manning's? People were saying that he was out for a month and then BAM he was out on the field last Sunday.

Think about it. He has a sprained knee with no swelling. He was walking around fine after the game. The world champs are coming into town.

Now he is going in to be re-examined on Friday. For what??? To get authorization to play maybe, I don't know, this Sunday?

He might play this weekend. I don't mean to give false hope to Texans fans or anything, but it might be a game planning ploy. Maybe we are trying to catch the Colts off guard.

Or... "Maybe I'm Craaaazzyyy..."
:yahoo:
 
SheTexan said:
I'll worry about AJ this time next week. We KNOW he's missing the Colts game! The rest is just speculation on the part of id*ots who want to stir the pot! Who cares what they write! I care what KUBIAK says period!! Most wedsites, and the local ragsheet, just like to express THEIR opinion, which I could care less about!
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Exactly..Until Kubiak comes out and announces it, the rest is nothing but trying to break the story first. They were so wrong in Manning's problem with him missing a month yet he still played and had a pretty decent game even though they lost. I guess they think that AJ's injury is usually a 5 wk. thing they think they need to say it...As long as the Texans are winning, I don't see a need to rush him back..If he misses 5 games due to the team winning and to get him back 100%, I will take it !! That means a well rested and ready to go AJ for the home stretch !!
 
Tedc said:
What a load of BS!

Why write something without any info to back it up? Is this rag just for rumors? Is anything they write real? Are they affiliated with Western Onion?

I don't even want to waste my time with that.
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Hey, I actually appreciate that report.

If there is scuttlebutt out there to be had, I want to hear it. And the PFT guy really made a point of saying hey, this might be a load of crap, but this is what the gossip is. He didn't report it as fact.

Personally, I am not sure that the scuttlebutt is correct. Today is the day they are suppose to take his knee out of the immobilizing thing and see how it is feeling. Given that there was no immediate swelling, it suggests no tear, and so I would think that his return would be based on how it is feeling and not some sort of guestimate. The injury I heard that he had is one that has no specific time frame for return--that it differs from person to person.
 
Hervoyel said:
Ditto. I think that these guys don't know anything and are just trying to pull in some traffic with an "over the top" non-story.
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Like him or not, the PFT guy gets ton of traffic and doens't have to make up stuff. Not everything he reports turns out, but he gets lots of leads , and he has often been the first to report stuff.

It's a football gossip site. Like a lot of gossip, sometimes it turns out and sometimes it doesn't.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Five weeks takes us to the Titans game, which is right after the Jags game. If we win without him this week I would expect him to be shut down until he is healed. If we do not win I expect him to be back by the Jags game.
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I have a problem with that, KT. I would expect him to be shut down until he's completely healed, no matter what. I know we need him that bad, but we don't need that bad to where he's not 100%, and at the risk of further injury.

As for the 5 weeks thing, yeah someone is pulling that out of his ass, but that aside, I have a feeling Kubiak and company is going to err on the side of caution as to when he does return. I don't expect him back for at least another month.
 
Shaft75 said:
Why would they be so public about his injury? Could we consider it to be something like Eli Manning's? People were saying that he was out for a month and then BAM he was out on the field last Sunday.

Think about it. He has a sprained knee with no swelling. He was walking around fine after the game. The world champs are coming into town.

Now he is going in to be re-examined on Friday. For what??? To get authorization to play maybe, I don't know, this Sunday?

He might play this weekend. I don't mean to give false hope to Texans fans or anything, but it might be a game planning ploy. Maybe we are trying to catch the Colts off guard.

Or... "Maybe I'm Craaaazzyyy..."
:yahoo:
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seriously does anyone feel the same way???
 
As a side note, when he first got the injury, it was announced as a PCL sprain.

Then he got the MRI, and then the Texans were non-specific about the type of injury, just calling it a knee sprain. If you look at the Manfull report, she makes that distinction by saying that they originally called it a PCL sprain.

The Boselli Rule: You can't trust anything you hear about any Texan players injury and their expected return.

Everybody pray for Andre. Yeah even you atheists and agnostics and such. Why not? You might get an answer.
 
From the Pittman, Houston Press article:

JCF: What is Andre’s mood like right now? Is he fairly optimistic that he’ll be able to return soon?

BP: Well, I haven’t talked to him personally, but from what I gather, it shouldn’t be a lengthy injury. Three weeks at the most, I think. But you never know. Everyone reacts differently when it comes to healing time.
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link

See, GOSSIP! IS! EASY!
 
Thanks for passing the link along, TC. You're right, of course. As much as we all want the diagnosis and time frame RIGHT NOW, there's just no way to know what's going on in AJ's knee and when it will allow him to return.

If there's one thing I've learned about doctors over the years, it's that for all the great medical advancements that have been made over the years, there's still far more we don't know about the human body than what we do.
 
With a sprain like this you'll get micro tearing in the ligament and the MRI will show the extent of the tearing. I'll go on record as saying it will depend on how the sub receivers looked in practice and whether or not AJ has a greatly increased chance of making the injury worse or sustaining a different injury to another part of the knee by playing this Sunday before Kubiak makes a decision. I guess we'll just have to wait til game time. If he's out Sunday and we play well on O, he might miss a couple of weeks.
 
Well he's definetly out for one week as most of you know, but as for 5 weeks, I don't think so. I've had a similar sprain before and it took about 3 weeks to heal(BP also stated this). Sure, maybe his sprain is more serious, but that's my insight that I have to offer on that subject. I think our real concern going into this game vs. the Colts would be the health of other players such as Green and TJ. Any word on these two yet? If we are without green AND Aj this week, things could get ugly(unless dayne runs them over like he did last year). And I'd love to have TJ bringing that inside heat to PM too.:cool:
 
Here's my write up about it:

How Many Games Will Andre Johnson Miss?

Lots of people who read PFT also read FanHouse, so I figured I try to put out there everything that we know right now so people would know what the deal is and not just go panicking through the streets shreiking 5 weeks 5 weeks aaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy!
 
I am more on the idea he'll miss closer 2-3. But we all know for sure he'll be out this week and we'll learn more on friday. Personally i think Kubiak and Co will err on the side caution.

Here's hoping for the best. :fans:
 
If it is all gossip over there why don't they slap a "National Sports Enquirer" banner on it and sell it at grocery store checkouts?
 
Tedc said:
If it is all gossip over there why don't they slap a "National Sports Enquirer" banner on it and sell it at grocery store checkouts?
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Actually, they put that information in a section called "rumor mill."

There is so much information and misinformation out there that it is hard to sort out the difference.
 
Westbrook had an MRI for a knee sprain is supposed to play this Sunday. "Knee Sprain" means nothing. its a case by case basis
 
I choose to take the "glass is half full" approach to AJ being hurt. It will give JJ or KW or someone else the chance to stand up and make some plays.

Also, Schaub has had a week to have practiced with the guys who will be on the field Sunday, so timing will have been worked on as well.

That said...get well soon AJ! I rarely break out the jerseys, but I'll be wearing my #80 Steel Blue jersey Sunday for you!
 
I am in the crowd of 1-2 weeks. I think there is a small glimmer of desperate hope on my part he will be back this Sunday, but that's my hope talking. I think by Atlanta maybe Miami at the latest. But hey, that's just me speculating. :)

He needs to get one of those hypobermic (or however the heck you say and spell it) chambers.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Hey, I actually appreciate that report.

If there is scuttlebutt out there to be had, I want to hear it. And the PFT guy really made a point of saying hey, this might be a load of crap, but this is what the gossip is. He didn't report it as fact.

Personally, I am not sure that the scuttlebutt is correct. Today is the day they are suppose to take his knee out of the immobilizing thing and see how it is feeling. Given that there was no immediate swelling, it suggests no tear, and so I would think that his return would be based on how it is feeling and not some sort of guestimate. The injury I heard that he had is one that has no specific time frame for return--that it differs from person to person.
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Exactly. If you actually read what PFT said, is that this is what is being reported, but it could be a bunch of crap. It didn't say that he will definitely miss 5 weeks and that he has a serious injury. Eli was supposed to miss a month and didn't miss a game.
 
Tedc said:
If it is all gossip over there why don't they slap a "National Sports Enquirer" banner on it and sell it at grocery store checkouts?
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Profootballtalk.com can't make it more obvious that they hear a rumor a basically just print it with little no confirmation of facts.

1) the section is called rumormill
2) they call themselves rumormongers
3) the Andre Johnson article uses schuttlebutt

Effectively, they go beyond what National Enquirier does in letting you know we are not a "real" or "legitimate" news source. ESPN, FOx etc, use "insiders" who are basically sports gossip columnist, but attempt to pawn these guys off as doing journalism. Which one do you want?
 
Hardcore Texan said:
I am in the crowd of 1-2 weeks. I think there is a small glimmer of desperate hope on my part he will be back this Sunday, but that's my hope talking. I think by Atlanta maybe Miami at the latest. But hey, that's just me speculating. :)

He needs to get one of those hypobermic (or however the heck you say and spell it) chambers.
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Hyperbolic and i was thinking that might come in useful as well.
 
LORK 88 said:
Pro Football Weekly = the football equivalent of the World Weekly News. They get people's attention by posting BS that catches people's attention. This is the same site that said Amobi Okoye was already being called a bust in July, take what they say not with a grain of salt, just dismiss it. He'll be back in a week or two, wait til he's re-evaluated.
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Sad thing about it, it works.
 
Shaft75 said:
Why would they be so public about his injury? Could we consider it to be something like Eli Manning's? People were saying that he was out for a month and then BAM he was out on the field last Sunday.

Think about it. He has a sprained knee with no swelling. He was walking around fine after the game. The world champs are coming into town.

Now he is going in to be re-examined on Friday. For what??? To get authorization to play maybe, I don't know, this Sunday?

He might play this weekend. I don't mean to give false hope to Texans fans or anything, but it might be a game planning ploy. Maybe we are trying to catch the Colts off guard.

Or... "Maybe I'm Craaaazzyyy..."
:yahoo:
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I swear no one reads my posts sometimes...

Does anyone feel the same way about this?
 
From Kubiak's presser:


(on if there’s any further information on WR Andre Johnson) “No, just that you guys know he won’t play this week. I mean, we were hoping for a miracle and we’ve still got time for one, but it doesn’t look good. You know, like I said, the good news is he’s going to be fine. The question is how long’s it going to be? Is it going to be a week, three weeks, five weeks? I don’t think we know until they kind of get him out of the thing that he’s in right now and really test him out, and the plan is to do that tomorrow.”

(on a report that says that WR Andre Johnson will miss five weeks) “Well, I think that would definitely be the worst scenario. And I’m very optimistic, especially with a guy like him who’s a really hard worker and very well-conditioned player. If anybody should make it back quicker than the doctors think that he can, it’s probably that guy. So I’m going to be on the optimistic side.”
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About Ron Dayne:

(on if RB Ahman Green and RB Ron Dayne are OK) “Ahman’s fine. Ronnie, there’s a little bit of question on Ronnie. He did practice some today. He did not put on his pads with the rest of the guys, so we’ll push him tomorrow and we’ll make that decision. If not, Samkon (Gado) will go.”

(on what the question is on RB Ron Dayne) “Just got some bruised ribs, and coming out of the game just in general, beat up. Eighteen tough carries and 15 of them in the fourth quarter. But he did do some things today, he just didn’t get in the banging with everybody else.”
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Why Kubiak rocks:

(on if there was a game that QB John Elway missed and Kubiak came in and won against all odds) “Every time he missed they said we had no chance. When I got a chance to play, it was probably a lot of, ‘Oh, crap.’ But that’s part of football and I think what it does is it makes everybody just reach down a little deeper. Everybody on this football team knows what kind of player we’re missing this weekend, everybody knows that and I think it just makes everybody dig a little deeper. Every coach, everybody. So when our team comes out of this, we should be a better football team. Do we have to replace a great player? You dang right we do. But it should make us all better.”
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I have to voice my skepticism. My concern is that a Posterior Cruciate Ligament injury is not very difficult to diagnose on physical exam. Now after an MRI which is accompanied by no "report," it makes me feel that someone knows much more that is being revealed. A number of members of the board have eluded to trusting Kubiak and the front office on their statements on injury status Sorry, but following that track has not been very reliable in the the past......not just occasionally, but regularly. AJ today made a telling statement today that he will have to take it day to day............or week to week. Why would it be so difficult for someone to confirm the injury?...........If by now, team physicians don't have a definitive diagnosis, it's time to look for new physicans. "Smoke screens" aren't a good explanation for the pattern that we've seen over the years............. You just have to ask yourself how many "nebulous" injuries sustained by Texans players have ended up as lesser than than greater severity? For the answer, you can use the fingers of your non-dominant hand while using the dominant side of your brain.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I have to voice my skepticism. My concern is that a Posterior Cruciate Ligament injury is not very difficult to diagnose on physical exam. Now after an MRI which is accompanied by no "report," it makes me feel that someone knows much more that is being revealed. A number of members of the board have eluded to trusting Kubiak and the front office on their statements on injury status Sorry, but following that track has not been very reliable in the the past......not just occasionally, but regularly. AJ today made a telling statement today that he will have to take it day to day............or week to week. Why would it be so difficult for someone to confirm the injury?...........If by now, team physicians don't have a definitive diagnosis, it's time to look for new physicans. "Smoke screens" aren't a good explanation for the pattern that we've seen over the years............. You just have to ask yourself how many "nebulous" injuries sustained by Texans players have ended up as lesser than than greater severity? For the answer, you can use the fingers of your non-dominant hand while using the dominant side of your brain.
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I posted something very similiar on a fantasy message board Monday or Tuesday.

With the evasiveness and track record of this organization in handling serious injuries I think we have legitimate cause for concern.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I have to voice my skepticism. My concern is that a Posterior Cruciate Ligament injury is not very difficult to diagnose on physical exam. Now after an MRI which is accompanied by no "report," it makes me feel that someone knows much more that is being revealed. A number of members of the board have eluded to trusting Kubiak and the front office on their statements on injury status Sorry, but following that track has not been very reliable in the the past......not just occasionally, but regularly. AJ today made a telling statement today that he will have to take it day to day............or week to week. Why would it be so difficult for someone to confirm the injury?...........If by now, team physicians don't have a definitive diagnosis, it's time to look for new physicans. "Smoke screens" aren't a good explanation for the pattern that we've seen over the years............. You just have to ask yourself how many "nebulous" injuries sustained by Texans players have ended up as lesser than than greater severity? For the answer, you can use the fingers of your non-dominant hand while using the dominant side of your brain.
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They definitely aren't reporting everything.

There was the initial diagnosis of the knee as being a PCL sprain. Then they weren't specific after the MRI.

The Texans report after the MRI says good news, no swelling, but today, the Hashmarks guy calls the Texans training staff and is told "the swelling has gone down." Wha?

Okay. So I got curious and have been thinking about this some more. In 2005, Andre Johnson missed 3 games and was hampered for most of that season with what was talked about today in the Chronicle as a calf injury. I couldn't remember which one, so I looked it up and apparently it was his left calf.

The knee that is bothering him now is his left knee.

And originally, his injury was described as a strained PCL. Since then they just generically call it a sprained knee which can mean a whole lot of things.

Okay, I'm not a doctor, but here is some rememberances with some doctor questions. In 2005, I met Andre Johnson the night he came back from outta town from meeting with a doctor about his condition (the reason why this sticks with me). And he doesn't say much but at the time, I was talking with some other people and was told that his calf injury was sort of a quirky injury. That what he had was really a knee issue. That the pain he was having was in the back of the knee as it connects into the calf.

And he really tried to play through that. It messed with him throughout 2005.

And similar to the current situation, they never really identified publicly what was wrong with him other than he was having issues with his calf. And AJ's frustration with how long it took him to come back made him visit with a doctor in a different state. (He was late to the event I was at because he had just come from the airport).

I am pretty sure I am remembering right but does anyone remember the same about the nature of his 2005 injury?

And would that be similar to what a PCL strain is?
 
Texans_Chick said:
They definitely aren't reporting everything.

There was the initial diagnosis of the knee as being a PCL sprain. Then they weren't specific after the MRI.

The Texans report after the MRI says good news, no swelling, but today, the Hashmarks guy calls the Texans training staff and is told "the swelling has gone down." Wha?

Okay. So I got curious and have been thinking about this some more. In 2005, Andre Johnson missed 3 games and was hampered for most of that season with what was talked about today in the Chronicle as a calf injury. I couldn't remember which one, so I looked it up and apparently it was his left calf.

The knee that is bothering him now is his left knee.

And originally, his injury was described as a strained PCL. Since then they just generically call it a sprained knee which can mean a whole lot of things.

Okay, I'm not a doctor, but here is some rememberances with some doctor questions. In 2005, I met Andre Johnson the night he came back from outta town from meeting with a doctor about his condition (the reason why this sticks with me). And he doesn't say much but at the time, I was talking with some other people and was told that his calf injury was sort of a quirky injury. That what he had was really a knee issue. That the pain he was having was in the back of the knee as it connects into the calf.

And he really tried to play through that. It messed with him throughout 2005.

And similar to the current situation, they never really identified publicly what was wrong with him other than he was having issues with his calf. And AJ's frustration with how long it took him to come back made him visit with a doctor in a different state. (He was late to the event I was at because he had just come from the airport).

I am pretty sure I am remembering right but does anyone remember the same about the nature of his 2005 injury?

And would that be similar to what a PCL strain is?
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TC,

Classically, the knee is stabilized by the 2 side (collateral) ligaments and a front (anterior cruciate ACL) ligament and back (posterior cruciate PCL) ligament. The cruciate ligaments connect the lower portion of the thigh (femur) bone with to the upper surface of the shin (tibia) bone, each crossing the knee joint (thus the name cruciate).

The PCL functions mainly in preventing the tibia from traveling backwards on the femur, known as posterior drawer sign. PCL tears are graded I- III with III being the worst. These grades are classified by the amount of backward tibial movement observed when the knee is bent at 90 degrees. Mild injury does not cause instability. More serious injury leads to knee instability with the shin bone having a tendency to slide backwards when the knee is bent at 90 degrees...............The main pain secondary to this injury is felt in the CALF. Once injured the PCL NEVER completely heals and must be doubly protected by strengthening of the quadracep, hamstring and calf muscles. Repeated injuries can lead to the need for surgical intervention.
 
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