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Another Reggie Bust Article

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10337299


Bush's final play of the game was an interception that Giordano returned for a touchdown. An instant before Bush could grab Giordano from behind, he was taken out by a sloppy offensive lineman. Bush slowly stood, walked to the bench and sat down with his head in his hands.

An hour later, while most of his teammates were climbing into jeans and T-shirts, Bush lovingly pulled on a crisp yellow Oxford, beige tie, light brown three-piece suit -- vest buttoned to the hilt -- and leather wing-tips. He placed a diamond into each ear. He wheeled a designer handbag and slung a Heisman Trophy backpack over his right shoulder. He looked a lot better in the locker room than he looked on the field, I'll tell you that.

And then Bush disappeared, leaving for the team bus. Saints officials said he would return to meet the media, but he never did. The media understood. Reggie Bush had just spent three hours embarrassing himself on national television. He wasn't coming back.
 

Exithios

Waterboy
Reggie is the product of not only a dominant USC lineage but of the sports media as well. I dislike the guy but feel for him as well. This kid was never going to be anything more than a scat back and a slot receiver yet the media put him on a pedistal with a HOF tag before his rookie season even started. It won't be long before Reggie is seen as just another one trick pony.

Here's to hoping Mario will bathe in Reggies spot-light on opening day. :victory:
 

swtbound07

Jackass of Day!
And then Bush disappeared, leaving for the team bus. Saints officials said he would return to meet the media, but he never did. The media understood. Reggie Bush had just spent three hours embarrassing himself on national television. He wasn't coming back.



Coward.
 

HoustonFrog

Dallas Frog
I hope he does well....he is on one of my fantasy teams

As for Bush...I mean I know we like to rag rivals and are tired of the Bush hype but isn't thins type of bust talk the same thing people are cursing when it hits Mario. Its one game and the whole Saints O looked pedestrian, including Brees.
 

gg no re

iggnorent
I want to point out the play where Bush got the first down by two yards, but then he backtracked and tried to make things happen only to lose the first down by one yard.
 

Leahmic223

Veteran
Reggie is the product of not only a dominant USC lineage but of the sports media as well. I dislike the guy but feel for him as well. This kid was never going to be anything more than a scat back and a slot receiver yet the media put him on a pedistal with a HOF tag before his rookie season even started. It won't be long before Reggie is seen as just another one trick pony.

Here's to hoping Mario will bathe in Reggies spot-light on opening day. :victory:

Could you imagine if Mario has a monster day agaisnt the Chiefs?

The ESPN guys would all say "I told you all along Mario was the right pick..." yeah sure you did...the only person I remember saying that was Michael Smith and maybe one other guy whose name and face escapes me at the moment.

Go get em Mario, if there ever was a chance to shut up the doubters this week is the PERFECT chance :fans:
 

TexansLucky13

53d Signal Batt
Could you imagine if Mario has a monster day agaisnt the Chiefs?

The ESPN guys would all say "I told you all along Mario was the right pick..." yeah sure you did...the only person I remember saying that was Michael Smith and maybe one other guy whose name and face escapes me at the moment.

Go get em Mario, if there ever was a chance to shut up the doubters this week is the PERFECT chance :fans:
Michael Smith is the only person who deserves to be on television. He has my vote for Supreme Commander of Football Knowledge.
 
R

real

Guest
I want to point out the play where Bush got the first down by two yards, but then he backtracked and tried to make things happen only to lose the first down by one yard.
While your at it, point out all the times Barry Sanders lost yards trying to make something happen too.

And every other back that depends on making guys miss.
 

Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
Staff member
I want to point out the play where Bush got the first down by two yards, but then he backtracked and tried to make things happen only to lose the first down by one yard.
I remember the play:

2-4-NO 41 (11:01) 9-D.Brees pass short right to 25-R.Bush to NO 44 for 3 yards (26-K.Hayden).

Was Reggie trying to pickup additional yardage? Or was he trying to avoid a direct hit by heading to the sideline? I'm not sure.
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
Lomas Brown, Ray Buchanon, and Skip Bayless were just on talking about Reggie Bush.

Bayless has always thought he was over-hyped. Lomas Brown agreed. And Ray Buchanon disagreed and said he's an exciting player and you have to get him the ball.

Didn't really get to listen to too much. Damned work.
 

TexansLucky13

53d Signal Batt
I remember the play:

2-4-NO 41 (11:01) 9-D.Brees pass short right to 25-R.Bush to NO 44 for 3 yards (26-K.Hayden).

Was Reggie trying to pickup additional yardage? Or was he trying to avoid a direct hit by heading to the sideline? I'm not sure.
If that is the case, he has BIG problems heading his way. (no pun intended)
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
I never expected Reggie fulfill his billing (or the price tag), so file this under *yawn* for me.

Having said that, I thought Mario Williams was absolutely the right pick and would become a Pro Bowler DE. And though I did acknowledge he'd take 1-2 years to develop meaningfully, based on performance to date, I'm only batting .500 at 1 and 2 right now.

I still see Reggie as developing into the equivalent of a Brian Westbrook or Eric Metcalf. Good, but not "feature back" good, a back whose only dangerous attribute is speed, rather than vision or power.
 

Texan_Bill

Hall of Fame
Barry Sanders v. Reggie Bush

Sanders:
Lions: perennial losers
Lions: no O-line
Lions: no other weapons

Bush:
Saints: Super Bowl Contenders (if not, playoff appearance)
Saints: decent O-line
Saints: Brees, McCallister, Colston etc.

Think we may need to quit the Barry Sanders v. Reggie Bush comparisons.
 

WWJD

Hall of Fame
Not that they are the same body type but didn't Franco Harris have the reputation of going out of bounds rather than taking a hit? I remember John McClain talking about him and saying he asked him about it and he said he did it to prolong his career.
 
R

real

Guest
Barry Sanders v. Reggie Bush

Sanders:
Lions: perennial losers
Lions: no O-line
Lions: no other weapons

Bush:
Saints: Super Bowl Contenders (if not, playoff appearance)
Saints: decent O-line
Saints: Brees, McCallister, Colston etc.

Think we may need to quit the Barry Sanders v. Reggie Bush comparisons.
You're the only one comparing them.

You have to have comprehension.

Follow me:

If Barry (one of the best backs of all times) took a lot of loss of yardage plays because of "trying to make something happen", why on earth is it this huge travesty when lowly Reggie Bush loses yards?

If one of the best of all time took a lot of losses, why are some of you guys acting like because Bush did it he's awful?

I don't see how that's comparing the two, especially when I added in "every other back that depends on making guys miss"....
 

gg no re

iggnorent
I don't think Barry would give up the first down like that.

I don't think a lot of NFL RBs would give up the first down like that.

And that play was in the first half too.
 

TexansLucky13

53d Signal Batt
You're the only one comparing them.

You have to have comprehension.

Follow me:

If Barry (one of the best backs of all times) took a lot of loss of yardage plays because of "trying to make something happen", why on earth is it this huge travesty when lowly Reggie Bush loses yards?

If one of the best of all time took a lot of losses, why are some of you guys acting like because Bush did it he's awful?
You have a good point, but putting Sanders and Bush in the same sentence is disgusting, IMO.
 
R

real

Guest
I don't think Barry would give up the first down like that.

I don't think a lot of NFL RBs would give up the first down like that.

And that play was in the first half too.
Can't argue with that.

In fact, I will argue this subject no longer.

Reggie is a good football player, and I'll leave it at that.
 

The1ApplePie

Hall of Fame
Another topic for Super Bust lovers?

Bush was at least good last season, Mario was garbage

As far as hype
Bush: Consensus best player in college, Heisman winner, good O-line with other weapons around him

Mario: Not the best player on his own D-Line, hyped up soley by his combine numbers, was on the same D-Line as two other 1st rounders

Both were hyped up by the media, Bush with proven stats, Mario with just potential

Bush proved he could be a gamebreaker last year

What did Mario prove? That he is lazy and injury prone?
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
You're the only one comparing them.

You have to have comprehension.

Follow me:

If Barry (one of the best backs of all times) took a lot of loss of yardage plays because of "trying to make something happen", why on earth is it this huge travesty when lowly Reggie Bush loses yards?

If one of the best of all time took a lot of losses, why are some of you guys acting like because Bush did it he's awful?

I don't see how that's comparing the two, especially when I added in "every other back that depends on making guys miss"....
Did the Texans pass on Barry in the draft? People around the Nation ragged on Houston for not picking Bush or VY. I think fans here in Houston just want to find things to prove we didn't make a bad choice. I don't have a problem with it. I'm quite tired of hearing about them, but it's something I'll/we have to deal with.

FWIW, I didn't want either one of them. I wanted to trade back and grab Hawk, but I'm happy with the selection.:d:
 
R

real

Guest
Don't see what Mario has to do with Bush as far as production goes.

Mario is a good football player too.
 

The1ApplePie

Hall of Fame
At the risk of wasting a part of my life that I'll never get back, how was Mario lazy?
Constantly taking plays off
Giving up on the pass rush after 2 seconds (Colts games especially)
Lazy persuit on running plays
Getting destroyed by 230 pound Chris Cooley all game because he was never paying attention.
 
R

real

Guest
I think fans here in Houston just want to find things to prove we didn't make a bad choice.
*change of pace*

1.
Cleveland Cavaliers</B>
LeBron James, F, St. Vincent-St. Mary's HS
2.
Detroit Pistons (from Memphis)</B>
Darko Milicic, F/C, Serbia and Montenegro
3.
Denver Nuggets</B>
Carmelo Anthony, F, Syracuse
4.
Toronto Raptors</B>
Chris Bosh, F, Georgia Tech
5.
Miami Heat</B>
Dwyane Wade, G, Marquette



http://www.nba.com/draft2003/board.html

In 2003 Detroit passed on Carmelo, Bosh, AND D. Wade to take a guy who is no longer with their team.

They later went on the appear in two NBA finals winning one of them.

The guys we passed on don't matter. Winning is what makes people forget about a percieved "bad draft pick".
 

Specnatz

Hall of Fame
Constantly taking plays off
Giving up on the pass rush after 2 seconds (Colts games especially)
Lazy persuit on running plays
Getting destroyed by 230 pound Chris Cooley all game because he was never paying attention.
And of course you are not biassed in the least. You have an agenda and will not let anyone detur you from this agenda.

he did not take plays off, talk about his production all you want but to say he took plays off, well you might as well be talking out your ass. Oh wait you are!!
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
While your at it, point out all the times Barry Sanders lost yards trying to make something happen too.

And every other back that depends on making guys miss.
Sanders losses came mostly behind the line of scrimage. I don't ever recall Barry cutting it up the field, successfully getting the first down, and then back tracking, losing the first down. Reggie should of been happy with the first down, first down gains are successful plays in the NFL.

Its like a QB throwing the ball away. Bush needs to learn to fight another day and take what the defense gives him. Its like a 4 yard gain through the hole up the middle isn't good enough for him.........nope Reggie has to try to beat everyone to the edge for a chance of a 80 yarder on every play.

My brother in law and I were drinking and watching the game and one play stood out to me. Reggie Bush was trying to cut it to the edge and he got tackled from behind by the Colts DE #91 Josh Thomas (just a average player) and I turned to him and said...."Thats the difference between the NCAA and the NFL". At USC Reggie would of never been tackled from behind by a DE and would of turned that up the field for about 50 yards.
 

Exithios

Waterboy
Another topic for Super Bust lovers?

Bush was at least good last season, Mario was garbage

As far as hype
Bush: Consensus best player in college, Heisman winner, good O-line with other weapons around him

Mario: Not the best player on his own D-Line, hyped up soley by his combine numbers, was on the same D-Line as two other 1st rounders

Both were hyped up by the media, Bush with proven stats, Mario with just potential

Bush proved he could be a gamebreaker last year

What did Mario prove? That he is lazy and injury prone?
You seem to be missing the entire point. Mario is a bust? Maybe or maybe not. The fact is that Reggie was touted as being the best thing since sliced bread and he has proven nothing more in the pro's than he has the ability to be an above average slot receiver. College stats are what they are, a staple for getting into the pro's, he is in the pro's now and those stats are as meaningless as your conjecture.

Mario and Reggie are no longer rookies, each with a full season under there belts. Mario has yet to play his first game in his second season. Reggie has and failed miserably. If you are going to make an attempt at "enlightening the masses", at least show you have more football savy than my 7 year old daughter.
 

The1ApplePie

Hall of Fame
And of course you are not biassed in the least. You have an agenda and will not let anyone detur you from this agenda.

he did not take plays off, talk about his production all you want but to say he took plays off, well you might as well be talking out your ass. Oh wait you are!!
Mario was noted for taking plays off in college, and he does so quite frequently in the NFL as well.

Case in point the typical Mario Williams pass rush:

Attempt to bull rush blocker (go for the QB if he falls over)
If he doesn't fall over, get stood up and shove the OT for about a second
If he doesn't fall over this time, stop presure and watch the QB view the field and throw 5 seconds later

or, replace that with:
Attempt swim move but somehow end up tripping and falling on his face.
 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
Staff member
Contributor's Club
Not that they are the same body type but didn't Franco Harris have the reputation of going out of bounds rather than taking a hit? I remember John McClain talking about him and saying he asked him about it and he said he did it to prolong his career.
Yeah, I heard McClain talking about this recently, and he said that Steeler fans love Earl because he'd just run into defenders and plow them over. Franco would get out of bounds, but it extended his career, and probably would have for Earl if he'd done the same, as well.

As far as Bush is concerned, it's one game where the entire team played bad. People are so filled with hate and vitriol that they don't give these guys a chance to develop. He's not the 'next Gayle Sayers', but who is? Nobody.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
Barry Sanders v. Reggie Bush

Sanders:
Lions: perennial losers
Lions: no O-line
Lions: no other weapons

Bush:
Saints: Super Bowl Contenders (if not, playoff appearance)
Saints: decent O-line
Saints: Brees, McCallister, Colston etc.

Think we may need to quit the Barry Sanders v. Reggie Bush comparisons.
Lions had Herman Moore. He was one of the first Big Strong Fast WRs. Granted they didn't have anyone to throw him the ball.
 
R

real

Guest
My brother in law and I were drinking and watching the game and one play stood out to me. Reggie Bush was trying to cut it to the edge and he got tackled from behind by the Colts DE #91 Josh Thomas (just a average player) and I turned to him and said...."Thats the difference between the NCAA and the NFL". At USC Reggie would of never been tackled from behind by a DE and would of turned that up the field for about 50 yards.
What about the play in Peyton's second season where he stared down the reciever and threw that INT.

Or that time that John Elway fumbled.

Or the other time when Ray Lewis was run over.


Or the time Deion Sanders got caught on.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
You're the only one comparing them.

You have to have comprehension.

Follow me:

If Barry (one of the best backs of all times) took a lot of loss of yardage plays because of "trying to make something happen", why on earth is it this huge travesty when lowly Reggie Bush loses yards?

If one of the best of all time took a lot of losses, why are some of you guys acting like because Bush did it he's awful?

I don't see how that's comparing the two, especially when I added in "every other back that depends on making guys miss"....
Barry would then follow that loss of yards with a LONG run. Barry would lose 1, lose 2 yards, break a 90 yarder. Thats the difference.
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
Mario was noted for taking plays off in college, and he does so quite frequently in the NFL as well.

Case in point the typical Mario Williams pass rush:

Attempt to bull rush blocker (go for the QB if he falls over)
If he doesn't fall over, get stood up and shove the OT for about a second
If he doesn't fall over this time, stop presure and watch the QB view the field and throw 5 seconds later

or, replace that with:
Attempt swim move but somehow end up tripping and falling on his face.
Dude! Did Mario boff your girlfriend or something?

Why don't you be crafty and make a voodoo doll to take your frustrations out on?:gun:
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
What about the play in Peyton's second season where he stared down the reciever and threw that INT.

Or that time that John Elway fumbled.

Or the other time when Ray Lewis was run over.


Or the time Deion Sanders got caught on.
I'm not saying Reggie is going to be a bust, so don't take my comments out of context. (BTW, QBs thow picks and fumble, LBs get ran over, and CBs get burned all the time, its part of the game and happens every Sunday. Everybody will end up on the wrong side of a highlight film eventually..........RBs that goof up a 1st down gain DO NOT HAPPEN THAT OFTEN.)

I'm not the one who put rediculous standards that Reggie must live up to (ESPN) I'm just commenting on what I saw last night and I feel Reggie Bush will never be a everydown back until he learns how to run like a every down back.......right now, he is more of a liability when his team needs the "must have yards".

Right now, if Reggie Bush deserved to be the #2 pick in the draft, Houston should be getting ripped for passing on MJD.

Am I saying he'll never improve, no, I hope he does.
 

WWJD

Hall of Fame
Yeah, I heard McClain talking about this recently, and he said that Steeler fans love Earl because he'd just run into defenders and plow them over. Franco would get out of bounds, but it extended his career, and probably would have for Earl if he'd done the same, as well.

As far as Bush is concerned, it's one game where the entire team played bad. People are so filled with hate and vitriol that they don't give these guys a chance to develop. He's not the 'next Gayle Sayers', but who is? Nobody.
Yep. You're right. The SAINTS stunk it up. The team. Not just Reggie. And when you play poorly against the Colts and that offense you're going to get 40 hung on you.
 

The1ApplePie

Hall of Fame
You know a team is playing bad when a pulling guard gets blown up by a 220 pound LB and gets thrown into the running back.
 

kastofsna

Hall of Fame
Mario: Not the best player on his own D-Line, hyped up soley by his combine numbers, was on the same D-Line as two other 1st rounders
if you followed the draft or scouting process at all, you would've known that Williams was considered by most to be the best d-line prospect to come out of college in a LONG time, and the hype started when he first set foot on the NC State campus. just because YOU didn't know who he was because YOU were ignorant, doesn't mean he's a product of combine hype. if you actually watched the games or anything (or knew what to actually watch), it'd be abundantly clear that Williams was the most talented player on the entire team, and in the entire ACC at the time.
 

Texan_Bill

Hall of Fame
You're the only one comparing them.

You have to have comprehension.

Follow me:

If Barry (one of the best backs of all times) took a lot of loss of yardage plays because of "trying to make something happen", why on earth is it this huge travesty when lowly Reggie Bush loses yards?

If one of the best of all time took a lot of losses, why are some of you guys acting like because Bush did it he's awful?

I don't see how that's comparing the two, especially when I added in "every other back that depends on making guys miss"....
Uhhhh, we know how you operate by now Xtru...
While your at it, point out all the times Barry Sanders lost yards trying to make something happen too.
Leave just enough wiggle room to crawfish out of it, but others noticed the subtle comparison also...

AGAIN:
The Lions and Barry had no other choice. If he didn't make something happen, the Lions were done. Bush doesn't have to do everything and therefore he is either not very intelligent or just not really a good football player if he doesn't understant the concept of taking what you can get and live to fight another down, because you have other weapons on your team.

Guys that depend on making people miss, can still gain positive yards and realize when the play is over and know when it can only get uglier before it gets better - and again, live to fight another down.

Plain and simple, Bush's decision was poor, and cost them on that particular drive.
 
This just goes to show you as the team goes so goes the player. I am not a big fan of Reggie but when the team plays well so does reggie, the same can be said for Mario when healthy. That was one of my concerns when we had him slated to be our number one pick. As bad as we were last year on offense we would have been roasted for taking a bust of a pick in Reggie cause he would have looked like he did last night. Both players will be exciting to watch ove rthe years but it goes to show if you are a top 3 or 4 pick its going to be hard on a bad team to ever justify your worth in the first few years.
 

Honoring Earl 34

Something Witty !
if you followed the draft or scouting process at all, you would've known that Williams was considered by most to be the best d-line prospect to come out of college in a LONG time, and the hype started when he first set foot on the NC State campus. just because YOU didn't know who he was because YOU were ignorant, doesn't mean he's a product of combine hype. if you actually watched the games or anything (or knew what to actually watch), it'd be abundantly clear that Williams was the most talented player on the entire team, and in the entire ACC at the time.
Was'nt Mario the newcomer of the year as a freshman ?

At N.C. State, Williams got a head start by enrolling in January. He started every game, registered his first sack against Wake Forest and finished as the team's seventh-leading tackler.

Williams, named a freshman All-America by The Sporting News, said he found himself too excited at times during games. "You have to stay calm, like in practice," he said.
 

Errant Hothy

Hypermediocrity
You know a team is playing bad when a pulling guard gets blown up by a 220 pound LB and gets thrown into the running back.
You know a RB might be over-hyped when he cannot avoid a pulling guard who is being cut by a LB (and it's not like he avoided the LB either)?
 

swtbound07

Jackass of Day!
Yep. You're right. The SAINTS stunk it up. The team. Not just Reggie. And when you play poorly against the Colts and that offense you're going to get 40 hung on you.
I think your missing a larger point. this is a TYPICAL reggie bush game.

some examples for you

12/31 @ carolina 3 carries, 20 yards
12/17 vs washington 7 carries, 14 yards
12/03 vs. sanfrancisco 10 carries 37 yards
11/26 @ atlanta 5 carries 24 yards
11/19 vs. cincinnati 13 carries 51 yards
11/12 vs. pit 10 carries 49 yards
11/05 @ tampa bay 11 carries -5 yards
...its taking too long to cut and paste these stats, but here are his TOTAL rushing yards for october and september...4 games for each

October- 4 games- 87 rushing yards
september-4 games 125 rushing yards.

ridiculously bad. He isn't a good player. He's barely mediocre. What you saw last night is what you get from reggie, pretty much all the time.
 

Errant Hothy

Hypermediocrity
if you followed the draft or scouting process at all, you would've known that Williams was considered by most to be the best d-line prospect to come out of college in a LONG time, and the hype started when he first set foot on the NC State campus. just because YOU didn't know who he was because YOU were ignorant, doesn't mean he's a product of combine hype. if you actually watched the games or anything (or knew what to actually watch), it'd be abundantly clear that Williams was the most talented player on the entire team, and in the entire ACC at the time.
QFT!

:fans: :texflag: :fans:
 

HoustonFrog

Dallas Frog
Yeah, I heard McClain talking about this recently, and he said that Steeler fans love Earl because he'd just run into defenders and plow them over. Franco would get out of bounds, but it extended his career, and probably would have for Earl if he'd done the same, as well.

As far as Bush is concerned, it's one game where the entire team played bad. People are so filled with hate and vitriol that they don't give these guys a chance to develop. He's not the 'next Gayle Sayers', but who is? Nobody.
That was my point back in the beginning of this. The hate is blinding people to the fact that they also post in 9 page threads calling Mario a bust by saying he has to develop. It comes back to praying the guy we missed on doesn't become a star. All in all, we still have to hope Mario plays well, no matter what these guys do. Brees looked horrible and I'm not going to say his season is shot.
 
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