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Texans trade Babin for safety Boulware !

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Just saw it too. My first reaction is EEEK! I was hoping Babin was finally settling into a spot, but I guess the coaches have given up some of that hope.

We definitely NEED a safety, but was this move worth it?


Not exactly a GLOWING endorsement.

"The Seahawks' safety gave up a team-high seven touchdown passes last season, according to statistical service StatsPass, while serving as a primary target for opponents on a Seattle defense that surrendered a whopping 55 plays of at least 20 yards."

"The fourth-year veteran and second-round draft choice in 2004 from Florida State was anything but blessed in '06. He lost a starting job for the first time in his life, spending half of the 16 regular season games as a substitute and on special teams. The lowest point came Dec. 24 when San Diego's Vincent Jackson slipped behind him for a 37-yard touchdown with 29 seconds left to give the Chargers a 20-17 win.

After that game, Boulware openly cried in the locker room. Yes, he was a target last season. Opposing offenses exploited his tendency to play like the college linebacker he was and not the NFL safety he is. And Seahawks fans directed their ire at him for Seattle's penchant to give up huge plays."
 
disaacks3 said:
Just saw it too. My first reaction is EEEK! I was hoping Babin was finally settling into a spot, but I guess the coaches have given up some of that hope.

We definitely NEED a safety, but was this move worth it?
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I think with the emergence of Orr and Cocharn, plus Kalu and Weaver (when he reurns) and then Mario I think this was a move we could defiantly afford to make.

I've been a Boulware fan since he entered the draft.
 
Holy ****!

HOLY ****!

Boy, was I wrong on that one. I didn't figure there was any way in the world they'd pull a deal off like that at this stage.

Man alive.
 
Wow, I am not sure what to think as I don't anything about Boulware.

Anyone have insight on the caliber of player this guys is?

Babin was having a pretty good pre-season I thought, I really hope it was worth it On the flip side, I am glad we added a safety if he's good.
 
disaacks3 said:
We definitely NEED a safety, but was this move worth it?
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Like they say, you have to give up something to get something.

Look at the bright side. Most of you were declaring Babin a bust in earlier seasons anyway. Would you ever have dreamed that they could get Boulware for Babin staight up?

Don't think so.
 
wow...pretty shocking. Babin has been one of our best pass rushers. It's time for Mario to step up!

I like that we're getting a quality safety, though. It has been one of the weakest aspects of the team.
 
disaacks3 said:
Just saw it too. My first reaction is EEEK! I was hoping Babin was finally settling into a spot, but I guess the coaches have given up some of that hope.

We definitely NEED a safety, but was this move worth it?
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Michael Boulware is a freak....dude has great size and is a big hitter (converted linebacker out of college...I actually wanted to draft him)....but gives up tons of big plays in space. He's been a big disappointment in Seattle....frankly I kinda like the trade however. We could use the run support since I wasn't impressed at all with CC Brown as a SS. We will still have issues with safety play in space/coverage. I don't know if I'd call him a "quality safety" though....he is a physical freak (great speed for his size) however.

http://www.texanstalk.com/content/view/31/16/
 
Vinny said:
Michael Boulware is a freak....dude has great size and is a big hitter (converted linebacker out of college...I actually wanted to draft him)....but gives up tons of big plays in space. He's been a big disappointment in Seattle....frankly I kinda like the trade however. We could use the run support since I wasn't impressed at all with CC Brown as a SS. We will still have issues with safety play in space/coverage. I don't know if I'd call him a "quality safety" though....he is a physical freak (great speed for his size) however.
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Yup he's pretty much a Roy Williams clone. Played LB at FSU (I think?), and I think he is defiantly now the best safety on our roster, but he is a SS.

I still like this deal alot, mainly because I think Boulware is better then all of our safties and I think Orr will make a better pass Down DE (as he is much better in spave then Babin).
 
Vinny said:
Michael Boulware is a freak....dude has great size and is a big hitter (converted linebacker out of college...I actually wanted to draft him)....but gives up tons of big plays in space. He's been a big disappointment in Seattle....frankly I kinda like the trade however. We could use the run support since I wasn't impressed at all with CC Brown as a SS. We will still have issues with safety play in space/coverage. I don't know if I'd call him a "quality safety" though....he is a physical freak (great speed for his size) however.
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yeah, he was benched last October for giving up too many big plays. My perception of 'quality' is that they are better than what we've got, but it's not like pro-bowl quality or anything.

I think he'll give us good run support, but I'm still concerned about our pass defense considering we can barely muster a pass rush and just traded what is arguably the best pass rusher on the team.
 
I thiught the team needed more of a FS versus SS? I have not seen many Seattle games, so I am not sure either on his play.
 
Good move.

Boulware is a solid player.

Shows that the coaches are not worried about the defensive line also.

Smith and Kubiak sure aren't afraid to make moves. Smart moves also.
 
No, you can't run on our D, but just take the snap and immediately chunk a bomb as deep down-field as you can, because a receiver will catch it.

I said FREE-safety! :gun:

All-in-all, I guess this makes our team a little bit better, but I'm sure getting tired of hard-hitting DBs who can't cover receivers.
 
I thought Jason Simmons was doing okay, I would rather see him start than C.C. Brown. With Earl being injured and possibly being ready to go next year I would have figured we would have gone after a FS, but at least Rick Smith is making moves to help our football team get better. Because we have to admit most of us knew the safety position was weak before Earl got hurt, at least we are addresing it.
 
Specnatz said:
I thiught the team needed more of a FS versus SS? I have not seen many Seattle games, so I am not sure either on his play.
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we need both...If you watch the Cowboy game it was CC Brown's sloppy approach that gave Terrell Owens the easy TD (Brown took a laughable angle).....I think the team knew it was in big trouble at both spots at that time.
 
Specnatz said:
I thiught the team needed more of a FS versus SS? I have not seen many Seattle games, so I am not sure either on his play.
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Remember all the talk about Earl and Brown both being SS ?
I dunno either, because this guy is definitely on Seattles DC as the #2 "SS", not FS. So I'm confused to because the big problem was FS, or so I thought ?
 
It kind of funny, we moved up in the 04 draft to take Babin in the 1st round and Boulware went in the 2nd round of the 04 draft. Just another knock against the C & C reign.
 
nunusguy said:
Remember all the talk about Earl and Brown both being SS ?
I dunno either, because this guy is definitely on Seattles DC as the #2 "SS", not FS. So I'm confused to because the big problem was FS, or so I thought ?
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I think they just didn't like Simmons as the #1 SS. I think I like this trade but I'd still like to see a new FS.

I think our team just got a bit better. :texflag:
 
dickieb said:
It kind of funny, we moved up in the 04 draft to take Babin in the 1st round and Boulware went in the 2nd round of the 04 draft. Just another knock against the C & C reign.
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I think they have both been dissapointments....I don't see this as a knock. Perhaps both guys will flourish with their second teams. Frankly they are both tweeners....neither played the position in College that they were drafted for. Hoth-Boy mentioned Roy Williams....he has a game very much like his...we need to blitz him and use him in run support and keep him out of too many one on one coverages like the Cowboys do with Williams. I wanted to draft him out of College a few years back....heck of a prospect at that time...but was a tweener just like Babin was at his position. Babin wasn't going to get much time and was situational here....Boulware will be an instant starter...I think we did OK with this one.
 
Vinny said:
we need both...If you watch the Cowboy game it was CC Brown's sloppy approach that gave Terrell Owens the easy TD (Brown took a laughable angle).....I think the team knew it was in big trouble at both spots at that time.
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I think you're right on the money with this one, and the FO knew we'd be exploited if it wasn't addressed before the season starts.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I think with the emergence of Orr and Cocharn, plus Kalu and Weaver (when he reurns) and then Mario I think this was a move we could defiantly afford to make.

I've been a Boulware fan since he entered the draft.
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woohoo I wanted to draft him when he came out. He was a linebacker in college that was going to be shifted to Safety because of his body type.

I'm satisfied although I thought Babin was developing pretty good.


:doot:
 
We still could grab a free safety off the waiver wire. Heck maybe the Chiefs will cut Greg Wesley now thinking the Texans don't want him anymore. We nab him and have a totally new starting safety tandem.
 
bckey said:
We still could grab a free safety off the waiver wire. Heck maybe the Chiefs will cut Greg Wesley now thinking the Texans don't want him anymore. We nab him and have a totally new starting safety tandem.
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Yeah...they may not be finished with their moves...at least we have a physical SS who can lay some wood in the secondary now...I'm pretty happy about that.
 
I liked Boulware coming into the draft, but he has been a disappoointment in the league. He has been misused. However, he has proved that he is not a FS, but more along the lines of a SS. My question is will he be expected to play a more glorified role of CC Brown trying to impersonate a FS, or is he going to play SS like he should?
 
As soon as I get a pic of Boulware in a Texans uni, I'll add him to my TDC sig. Dude is all about demolition!
 
bckey said:
We still could grab a free safety off the waiver wire. Heck maybe the Chiefs will cut Greg Wesley now thinking the Texans don't want him anymore. We nab him and have a totally new starting safety tandem.
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Does not look like that is likely to happen:

per www.kffl.com

Chiefs | Wesley likely to remain with team
Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:21:46 -0700

Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports Kansas City Chiefs FS Greg Wesley will likely begin the season with the team. The Chiefs discussed a trade involving Wesley with at least two teams, including the Denver Broncos and Houston Texans, but those talks cooled.
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YoungTexanFan said:
I liked Boulware coming into the draft, but he has been a disappoointment in the league. He has been misused. However, he has proved that he is not a FS, but more along the lines of a SS. My question is will he be expected to play a more glorified role of CC Brown trying to impersonate a FS, or is he going to play SS like he should?
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I don't think the Seachickens ever used him at FS, nor did they misuse him...I believe he has been a SS his entire short career.
 
My thoughts are , maybe our 180 lb CB won't be the hardest hitter in our secondary now .

I want WR's to have alligator arms when they go over the middle .
 
I'm wondering if he starts Sunday or get's a little playing time?

I'm really happy about this move. He is instantly one of my favorite Texans.
 
I've been trying my best to get a Seahawks fan's take on this trade, but it's as if the sidewalks are still rolled up in Seattle.

Hey, at least it wasn't a Green Bay or Denver trade.
 
Vinny said:
Michael Boulware is a freak....dude has great size and is a big hitter (converted linebacker out of college...I actually wanted to draft him)....but gives up tons of big plays in space. He's been a big disappointment in Seattle....frankly I kinda like the trade however. We could use the run support since I wasn't impressed at all with CC Brown as a SS. We will still have issues with safety play in space/coverage. I don't know if I'd call him a "quality safety" though....he is a physical freak (great speed for his size) however.
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Nice sum up.

I think it is interesting how both Babin and Boulware's careers are similar in some ways. High round picks that frustrated their fan bases while they were trying to learn new positions. Sometimes they showed flashes, but the team acquired guys playing the same position because of their failures in public learning. Both of them had pretty nice camps.

It might be nice of them to both have fresh starts. Boulware is also one of those high character guys that the Texans like and has had early success with his team, so he has that going for him.

The sad news of all this is the Harrison on IR thing. I talked to CC Brown at the team luncheon and he didn't seemed to be that concerned about his shoulder.

Here's my FanHouse mini-take on the Boulware-Babin thing:

Boulware for Babin
 
Marcus said:
I've been trying my best to get a Seahawks fan's take on this trade, but it's as if the sidewalks are still rolled up in Seattle.

Hey, at least it wasn't a Green Bay or Denver trade.
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Hey it is a Saturday morning there.

I've asked for fan responses over at my FanHouse post, so maybe a Seahawk fan will bite.
 
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