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The "Won't be available at 13" Thread

infantrycak

infantrycak

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OK for four months draftniks are going to prognisticate around here. One of the things that is most amusing IMO is the number of players that definitely won't be available when the Texans pick. To keep track of the amusement, if you see such a prediction quote it and stick it in this thread.
 
texansfan88 said:
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=71325#post71325

From the man who brought you the Sean Taylor show, BuffSoldier, what a joke
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WOW, :loser didnt I just post that like 2 seconds ago, and if you actually took the time to read the whole thing then you would have noticed that I said I dont see him falling that far and really wanted one of the top O-Linemen in the draft.

My whole point was that I was amazed that these so called experts had DJ falling that far on a mock draft, so if youre gonna talk mess then know what youre talking about. :listening
 
Now let's keep this lighthearted folks. This is meant for the amusement of watching a list of 25 people that definitely will be gone before the Texans get to the table.

And to give Buff some credit, his post about DJ was kind of the opposite--more hey some people say he may fall to #13, not we have to trade up to get him because he will definitely be gone.
 
Mike Nugent won't be available at #13. He will go #1 or #2 overall! Then shortly there after his uncle :coolb: Ted Nugent :bguitar: will go around #11 or #12.
:banana:
 
Derrick Johnson, Mike Williams, Braylon Edwards and D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Those guys will have been long gone! :BananaWav
 
I think this will be a difficult year to predict who will be gone by 13th, because of the number of highly ranked RBs. Rbs usually tumble down the draft boards, but there are several top RBs this year.
 
Top 3 are Cedric Benson and Williams and Brown. Everyone else will be second round picks. I see all three backs going 1st round!
 
Honestly, I see all three of them going. Benson to Miami, Cadillac to Tampa Bay and Ronnie Brown to Oakland.
 
I think Oakland will address their need for a RB before the draft. I think they'll seek a trade for Travis Henry. They already have the big pounder back, and they have a speedy 3rd down type back in Fargas. Henry would bring the best of both worlds. Behind the Raiders OLine he could be even more productive than he was in Buffalo. Their head coach is familiar with Henry and what he can do since he was OCoordinator for the Dolphins and he saw Henry twice a year.
 
hou059 said:
Honestly, I see all three of them going. Benson to Miami, Cadillac to Tampa Bay and Ronnie Brown to Oakland.
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Maybe but you forget that last year, Jackson was projected top 10 and fell to 24 or something like that. And the year before, McGahee was the first back selected around 21...and he was just coming off major knee surgery. But this draft class is weak so I dont know...
 
Fiddy said:
Maybe but you forget that last year, Jackson was projected top 10 and fell to 24 or something like that. And the year before, McGahee was the first back selected around 21...and he was just coming off major knee surgery. But this draft class is weak so I dont know...
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This class is so much more strong than the class of last year. More teams need running backs and as far as the Raiders going after Henry, I don't think so. He is overrated and has a problem holding on to the ball. The Raiders need a feature back. I don't think Henry is the answer.
 
hou059 said:
This class is so much more strong than the class of last year. More teams need running backs and as far as the Raiders going after Henry, I don't think so. He is overrated and has a problem holding on to the ball. The Raiders need a feature back. I don't think Henry is the answer.
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You think this entire draft class is better then last years draft class??? Dang. Cause if it was, I guarantee that 3 RBs dont go in the top 10...
 
Fiddy said:
... But this draft class is weak ...
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I'm curious what you mean by this. It seems to me that while it is weaker than the last few drafts in some areas, it seems stronger in others. For example, I would say it seems like there are better LBs and RBs for earlier picks than in the past few years. Also, I would argue that the strength of the draft is dramatically affected by the Jrs who come out and we're still awaiting on final word on some.
 
It would be great for the Texans if:
-2 or 3 QBs;
-2 WRs; and
-2 or 3 RBs went in the top 13, assuming the Texans hope to go defense.
Last year, we got the 3rd defensive players, although we drafted 10th.
 
One thing about the draft is that you can never tell. Someone's stock might rise and fall a lot before the draft. For example, remember last year when there was talk of us drafting Tommie Harris? And Tommie's stock fell a lot last year even though he's been a solid player for the Bears this season. Then there was Kenechi Udeze, another possibility for us las year, but his stock fell too. I never heard of Dunta Robinson until a few days before the draft but his stock (luckily for us) shot all the way up! What I'm trying to say is that a few months from now some of these names we are familiar with like Derrick Johnson, Cedric Benson, C. Williams, Pollack etc., may emerge as players who might not be drafted as high as we think they will be right now.
 
Should be taken list: "Should"

QB Aaron Rodgers
QB Matt Leinart (If he enters)
RB Cedric Benson
WR Mike Williams
OT D'brickShaw Ferguson (if he enters)
OT Alex Barron
CB Antrel Rolle
OLB Derrick Johnson

Should be available: "Should"

WR Braylon Edwards
SS David Thomas
DT Rodrique Wright
OLB Ahmad Brooks (If he enters)
 
lets see who won't be available @ #13 :confused:
  1. Matt Leinart
  2. Aaron Rodgers
  3. Antrell Rolle
  4. Derrick Johnson
  5. Mike Williams
  6. Braylon Edwards
  7. Alex Barron
  8. Cedric Benson
  9. Erasmus James
  10. Cadillac Williams
  11. Thomas Davis
  12. Marcus McNeal
 
Amazing Race said:
Ourlads says that once the juniors declare, Benson will be a second/third round choice. Both Auburn RBs: Williams and Brown are projected ahead of Benson right now.
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I doubt that. Cedric goes top 5, possibly #2 overall. If he dropped, we should take him :jumpbanan
 
It's pretty safe to say that Rodrick Wright won't be available at 13 or at 1 for that matter. While it's not offical, just about everybody expects him to return to Austin.
 
Wags said:
DJ, Edwards, and Williams will not be available at #13
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BuffSoldier said:
Antrell Rolle will be gone by 13
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This is really what I meant for this thread--quotes from other threads with definitive statements of who won't be available.

So far:

Derrick Johnson
Braylon Edwards
Mike Williams
Antrell Rolle
 
infantrycak said:
OK for four months draftniks are going to prognisticate around here. One of the things that is most amusing IMO is the number of players that definitely won't be available when the Texans pick. To keep track of the amusement, if you see such a prediction quote it and stick it in this thread.
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Is it amusing only up until draft day? When "player A" is indeed chosen before the 13th pick, does it cease to be amusing?

I don't think there will be a list of twenty five this year. You might need a few "Shaun Cody will be gone" statements to make that number happen.

BTW, you can't use Shaun Cody in your list.
 
I think that Alex Smith, the QB from Utah, will be in the top 10 by draft day. Laugh at me now, But I think it's going to happen. This kid has what it takes from the neck up, and I think he might be taken before Aaron Rogers.
 
I think Alex Smith's performance against Pittsburgn will also put him in the top 10 too. The guy has great mobitlity, strong and accurate arm. He's a smart guy too. On the other hand Rogers' might fall a bit after his team's performance against Texas Tech.
 
:jumpbanan
What are the chances of us getting Mike Williams in the draft?

Lloyd: "like 1 in a hundred?"

Mary: "More like 1 in a million"

Lloyd: "So your tellin me theres a chance!"

But seriously. Dont bank on him being there past #5.
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OK for a recap to date:

Derrick Johnson
Mike Williams
Antrelle Rolle
Matt Leinart
Braylon Edwards
D'Brickshaw Ferguson*--may be a non-factor
Cedric Benson
Cadillac Williams
Ronnie Brown
Alex Barron
Aaron Rodgers
Erasmus James
Thomas Davis
Marcus McNeal
Alex Smith

15 so far and the draft talk has just started.

From other threads:

Wags said:
DJ, Edwards, and Williams will not be available at #13
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BuffSoldier said:
Antrell Rolle will be gone by 13
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Yeah, that's why I don't like talking draft in absolute terms too much until the Sr bowl and close to the combine. We will have a better idea how these guys grade out to the scouts soon. Until then most of these internet draft sites are not real accurate early on. They will all change their draft boards in another month or so.
 
as of right now i can see mike williams and alex barron availiable. i dont think they will impress at the combine. i dont think williams is a sensable option. bensons stock should fall, and without a team as stupid as miami he would probally be available for us....but i dont want him and we shouldnt even consider him. thomas davis right now is looking to be picked up by the lions.
matt leinhart will not be available until next year
alex smith will be the first quarterback taken.
for that crazy guy w/the mike nuegent post, he will be a third to fourth round pick, great upside.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
for that crazy guy w/the mike nuegent post, he will be a third to fourth round pick, great upside.
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Yeah the Nugent post is intended as a joke. Mostly because I heard a few people on the Bills MB wanting to take him with their 2nd round pick, and for the Bills that will be there first pick of the draft unless they trade up into the first round.
 
Gotta love such certainty:

texansfan88 said:
he's going #4 to the Bears but if by chance which he wont that he'd slip to 13, he would be taken b/c he'd be head and shoulders above everyone else
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Hoth-Boy said:
It's pretty safe to say that Rodrick Wright won't be available at 13 or at 1 for that matter. While it's not offical, just about everybody expects him to return to Austin.
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1/14/05

Rod Wright and Michael Huff Press Conference Transcript

Rod Wright
Opening remarks:
First of all, I’d like to thank everybody for coming out. I’d like to thank god for even having a decision of this magnitude. I’d like to thank my family, friends, coaches and all my teammates that helped me with this decision. I’d also like to thank coach [Mike] Tolleson, he really made me a man and the best player I could be. My goal for this team this year was to be the best that we can be. We won the Rose Bowl and it was a dream for all of us. I feel I have reached my peak and I have decided to take my talent to the next level ... Ok, I’m just joking. I’m staying another year.

On what went in to making his decision:
First off, it really dawned on me that coming back for my senior year would be priceless. I feel like I could have trained and competed to be the #1 defensive tackle taken, but it really dawned on me that if I leave, I would never see some of the faces that I would see in my senior season. I also thought about being in some cold city by myself watching this [Texas] team win a national championship and so I really felt that I needed to come back and help the team do that.

dun deal
 
Weaker, in the sense that it is not in the same class as last years, it isn't weak either. There are some decent down the road OL, a pretty good crop of LBs and DBs, and in the second tier there are some RBs that stand a chance of being good ones. After all DD was a 4th rounder and looke what he has done.

While I'm at it I want to get in one last complaint about the Texans trading so many good Draft picks last lear to overestimate on a certain DE turned LB by the name of Babbin. A decent pick but we overpaid me thinks.
 
threetoedpete said:
I also thought about being in some cold city by myself watching this [Texas] team win a national championship and so I really felt that I needed to come back and help the team do that.
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Yea Rod, you might be in some cold city like Buffalo or Clevland, but you'd be
rich and cold. And this is a weak draft in general and weak in DTs in particular. You could buy some expensive digs in Texas (or South Fl), with
that big bonus you got in the 2005 draft and spend a nice, warm, toasty
winter in that new pad after the season is over. Or you can stay on another
year, blow your knee out, maybe get picked in the third round after the Sooners embarass you guys again.
 
NoBullTexan said:
While I'm at it I want to get in one last complaint about the Texans trading so many good Draft picks last lear to overestimate on a certain DE turned LB by the name of Babbin. A decent pick but we overpaid me thinks.
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Can we rely on that one last complaint thing?
 
NoBullTexan said:
While I'm at it I want to get in one last complaint about the Texans trading so many good Draft picks last lear to overestimate on a certain DE turned LB by the name of Babbin. A decent pick but we overpaid me thinks.
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You really ought to learn his name, It's Babin, not Babbin. I see you type this over and over on both HPF and here. The Titans did so well with their picks that they ended up the 27th best defense in the league plugging in dogs like Odom, and LaBoy falling from the 12th best defense the year before. It was fun watching them get steamrolled play after play last season. Starks plays behind Hainsworth and dropped to the third round due to character issues, he may be a player long term...but guys who carry the lazy label or have character issues may not prove out long term. I still like Troupe but he is dumb as a rock and had a hard time figuring out the Titans playbook last year. We will see how these guys turn out long term, but Babin had a year that pretty much matched Mike Vrabel's. Kevin Greene didn't get his 17th sack until his 4th year in the league. I’m not convinced we got the bad end of this deal.
 
DC_ROCK said:
It also annoys me when people pronounce it Bay-bin, instead of Bah-bin.
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Yep, that annoys me everytime Al Michaels does it on Madden '05. "And Bay-bin makes the tackle for a loss."
 
NoBullTexan said:
While I'm at it I want to get in one last complaint about the Texans trading so many good Draft picks last lear to overestimate on a certain DE turned LB by the name of Babbin. A decent pick but we overpaid me thinks.
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I think Babin ended up having a good rookie year, but make no mistake about
it, if the Titans said this afternoon they'd trade us Troupe, Starks, & Bo Schobel for Babin, I'd jump on that deal so fast your head would swim. How
bad do we need a "real", 2-way TE right now (and last year) - we need one real bad. Right now our great hope for TE is Joppru, and we know how unreliable that source has been. And as far as Starks goes, he just turned 21 years old last month, which means he is barely out of his teens and does
still have a long process to maturation, in more ways than one. But like TE,
we desperately need help at DT and last I heard, we are a younger type team wanting to develope young talent for the long-term. And Schobel, I think he was injured his rookie year, but did have some upside as 3-4 OLB
and special teams.
Hey Babin done good this year, but the Titans did a lot better than
that last April in their draft day trade with the Texans.
 
actually my fellow Texan fans the high price paid is more of a reflection of making the 3-4 system work than direct value of said player (Babin). the Texans where desperate for a OLB who fit the scheme & felt another year without a legit starter would impede future progress. this coming year Babin should be terrific, with at least one more quality starter added via the draft & possibly free agency I think you'll see his numbers reflect more productivity warranting his selection. with the 1st pick this year I would not be screaming mad if the Texans went OLB with Dan Cody or Shawne Merriman & this would reflect a higher price than paid for Babin (27th or all those prospects).

the one point that does hurt some of us who treasure the drafting of OUR picks is that it took the fun away from us with not being able to follow those picks, but thats strictly for entertainment value only. :mag:
 
beerlover said:
. . .the one point that does hurt some of us who treasure the drafting of OUR picks is that it took the fun away from us with not being able to follow those picks, but thats strictly for entertainment value only. :mag:
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Boy, you got that one right! I frankly am a little amazed how infatuated some people are with the draft, to the point to where the line is clearly crossed over into the area of unhealthy obsession.

What's really funny, it's not who the Texans draft or not draft, it is whether OUR picks get drafted or not. Well, count on the fact that Casserly is not going play by OUR rules, so take it for granted that WE are going to be disappointed. This year, just like last year. And heaven forbid, God help us all if Casserly trades away OUR beloved picks. Well, it might ruin OUR day.

And since some of US actually regard the NFL draft has being more important than the actual NFL playing season, or even life itself . . . then maybe WE are getting exactly what WE deserve. :soapbox:
 
:howdy: Texas guy I'd take Ted Nugent at 13. If he plays stranglehold before the game and at halftime we can't lose. Usaully slips happen because of a panic reaction from guys drafting for a position and not the best player.
 
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