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Wali Lundy

who should be number 2

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JohnsonFan

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he is young and fast he need to train under green and learn how to use the run game correctly and lundy will one day be great here, i mean even last season wali was number 2 on the team in rushing stats he had 476 yards and 4tds in 8 started games, ok so think about it if he would have started 16 games he would have like 1000 yards and 8 td's, with that in mind compare him to a few rookies from last year as well:

Reggie Bush with 8 started games had 565 yards 6 tds so if he started 16 he would have had around 1200 yards and 12 td's, wow wali is up there with reggie, Lundy had more 20+ yard runs than one Reggie Bush. (4-0), wow crazy huh? no not really we just have to give this guy a chance, lets not let go off him cause it could end up like drew brees bad in SD amazing in NO so lets not risk that.

wali is very talented the texans organization for some reason is not going to utilize him this year or atleast that how it looks, Lundy and Andre Johnson are my two favorate texans, one is a probowler allstar the other hasnt proven him self yet and i know he will! I personally think wali is more talented than ron dayne and can back up ahman, it makes me angry though that after a great rookie season the texans wont use him!
 
I didn't see the burst out of Lundy that I know we could have had with Chris Taylor. I think Lundy is a good backup, but not an everyday starter.
 
I have always been a fan of Wali Lundy, and while I think Dayne is the better runner right now, I'd like to see Lundy get a lot more carries because I think his upside is quite a bit higher than Dayne's
 
Lundy's a versatile back and has the same caracteristics as Green while Dayne is more of a Jerome Bettis. Since Green's under a conctract for a few years look for Lundy to take the #3 from Gado who gets cut or traded. So look for Dayne to get the get more snaps than Lundy because of his short yardage ability but if Green goes down Lundy gets the nod because of his versatility.
 
Just because dayne is fat and slow doesn't mean that he is good at short yardage or scoring. Our horrible display by the goaline shoudl show that

You need a nose for the end zone or short yardage to be a short yardage/scoring guy. Like Green was a few years back, or how LT was last year. Neither of those guys are fat or slow

Dayne is good for 2-10 yards a carry, but just because of his size, eh's not guaranteed 1-2 yards every time
 
For a late-round rookie running back, Wali had a damn good season last year. That being said, I agree that Dayne has earned first shot at the #2 spot behind Green.
 
My concern with Dayne is his inconsistency. Denver was ready to crown him their starting job a few years ago. But then he got hurt. He came on big for us at the end of the year last year, no doubt. He's a big reason why we beat Indy. And he had an awesome game for Denver against the Cowboys a couple of Thanksgivings ago. But that's his problem. He's hit or miss. I don't know if it's weight, work ethic, injury, fatigue, devotion....... But until he proves he can consistently be there (which he hasn't done in the previous 7 years), I'm hesitant to rely on him.
 
IMO, they are all mediocre at best. Obviously Dayne's already locked up the #2 RB anyways

This is why I pray Green stays healthy.:cool:
 
Lundy had a couple of good games at mid-season last year. Then he disappeared. He didn't look all that great Saturday night either. He's looking like practice squad material as of right now.

I voted for Dayne, but I'd like to see more of Gado. He has a good combination of speed and power.
 
He couldn't beat out Lundy in the preseason or camp though

Just because he looked OK in preseason and on the Packers doesn't mean he would have suceeed here
 
gtexan02 said:
He couldn't beat out Lundy in the preseason or camp though

Just because he looked OK in preseason and on the Packers doesn't mean he would have suceeed here
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Save that jive...

Morency was a good back...

He couldn't beat out Lundy, yet the guy we traded him for could do it easily...LOL...think about what you're saying...

Teams don't make a tade with the idea of screwing themselves...
 
I think Dayne should grab the no. 2 at this point in time. Lundy has potential, but he's still got a lot to learn, IMO.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Save that jive...

Morency was a good back...

He couldn't beat out Lundy, yet the guy we traded him for could do it easily...LOL...think about what you're saying...

Teams don't make a tade with the idea of screwing themselves...
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Morency was a better RB, but still average at best. Our whole RB group behind Green is average at best. Taylor showed potential but the rest...eh. IMO, we need to get an above average RB next season and not depend on "the system".:texflag:
 
HOU-TEX said:
Morency was a better RB, but still average at best. Our whole RB group behind Green is average at best. Taylor showed potential but the rest...eh. IMO, we need to get an above average RB next season and not depend on "the system".:texflag:
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I don't think RB is actually a pressing need at this point...Depending on how Spencer comes back I think we should look at LT, FS, LB and then RB....

And yes, I still think Greenwood is terrible...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't think RB is actually a pressing need at this point...Depending on how Spencer comes back I think we should look at LT, FS, LB and then RB....

And yes, I still think Greenwood is terrible...
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I agree, but with the amount of cap space we'll supposedly have and the draft, there's no reason all the holes mentioned can't be filled.:)

I partly agree on Greenwood. He most definitly isn't worth what he's paid, but he's still a hair above average.:gun:
 
but lol you guys we dont have morency so why talk about it, i think after this year lundy will prove that he can play, this is what kubi said the other day

"Texans head coach Gary Kubiak says Wali Lundy "is going to help this football team" this season.
Lundy is contending for the third-string gig with Samkon Gado and undrafted rookie Darius Walker behind starter Ahman Green and goal-line back Ron Dayne. He could help on third downs if he secures a roster spot. Aug. 2 "

and thats what i have been thinking wali is a great 3rd down back and thats where he can help us, as we all saw dayne cant do it , not even with 3 tries against a back up defense and wali can!
 
gtexan02 said:
Just because dayne is fat and slow doesn't mean that he is good at short yardage or scoring. Our horrible display by the goaline shoudl show that

You need a nose for the end zone or short yardage to be a short yardage/scoring guy. Like Green was a few years back, or how LT was last year. Neither of those guys are fat or slow

Dayne is good for 2-10 yards a carry, but just because of his size, eh's not guaranteed 1-2 yards every time
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I don't think that's a good barometer of our running attack. After Von made the INT at the 16, we ran 4 out of 5 plays up the gut. And those were our twos.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't think RB is actually a pressing need at this point...Depending on how Spencer comes back I think we should look at LT, FS, LB and then RB....

And yes, I still think Greenwood is terrible...
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I agree with you on two of those but we're set at LB. DeMeco, Greenwood, and Clark are the ones.

I'd like to know what you expect out of Greenwood.
- He was 2nd on the team in tackles with 111 (Dunta was 3rd w/83),
- He forced two fumbles (Peek was the only other guy with 2 FF), - - He had one INT - just like DeMeco (only guys who had two picks were Dunta & Petey Faggins),
- He registered one sack,
- He had 5.5 tackles for loss; only one fewer than DeMeco.

And doesn't he come out on obvious passing downs? Heck, given that, he had a solid year.

What is it you're looking for?

Is this the "I gotta see ESPY highlight reel material" mindset again?
 
ObsiWan said:
I agree with you on two of those but we're set at LB. DeMeco, Greenwood, and Clark are the ones.

I'd like to know what you expect out of Greenwood.
- He was 2nd on the team in tackles with 111 (Dunta was 3rd w/83),
- He forced two fumbles (Peek was the only other guy with 2 FF), - - He had one INT - just like DeMeco (only guys who had two picks were Dunta & Petey Faggins),
- He registered one sack,
- He had 5.5 tackles for loss; only one fewer than DeMeco.

And doesn't he come out on obvious passing downs? Heck, given that, he had a solid year.

What is it you're looking for?

Is this the "I gotta see ESPY highlight reel material" mindset again?
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lol how did this end up in a wali lundy thread haha
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Save that jive...

Morency was a good back...

He couldn't beat out Lundy, yet the guy we traded him for could do it easily...LOL...think about what you're saying...

Teams don't make a tade with the idea of screwing themselves...
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Morency was cut loose for three reasons - in no particular order...
(1) Fumbles. You know caoches hate that.
(2) He's a dancer". Didn't quite adapt to the one-cut-and-go running style of this system
(3) Sherman had a chance to bring one of "his guys", Gado, to the team.
 
JohnsonFan said:
no yea i saw that i was just playing chill bro so lets look ahead 2 years who is starting at rb?
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My money says either Taylor or someone who isn't even here right now.
- Green will be winding down his career or will get hurt - thinking he'll go the next three yrs unscratched is too much luck to wish for.
- Unless Dayne breaks out this year, he'll be gone or serving battering ram duty.
- If... wait, I need a bigger one....IF Chris Taylor makes a complete recovery, he will be "da man" in 09.
- Lundy, Gado, or Darius Walker will be our 3rd down guy by that time and we will have traded the other guys for 2nd day picks (maybe in a pkg with Andre Davis or Bethel Johnson - okay, perhaps I'm dreaming a bit here)


Warning: Opinions posted above have less shelf life than those of John McClain or John Lopez and are subject to change without notice.
:)
 
JohnsonFan said:
he is young and fast he need to train under green and learn how to use the run game correctly and lundy will one day be great here, i mean even last season wali was number 2 on the team in rushing stats he had 476 yards and 4tds in 8 started games, ok so think about it if he would have started 16 games he would have like 1000 yards and 8 td's, with that in mind compare him to a few rookies from last year as well:

Reggie Bush with 8 started games had 565 yards 6 tds so if he started 16 he would have had around 1200 yards and 12 td's, wow wali is up there with reggie, Lundy had more 20+ yard runs than one Reggie Bush. (4-0), wow crazy huh? no not really we just have to give this guy a chance, lets not let go off him cause it could end up like drew brees bad in SD amazing in NO so lets not risk that.

wali is very talented the texans organization for some reason is not going to utilize him this year or atleast that how it looks, Lundy and Andre Johnson are my two favorate texans, one is a probowler allstar the other hasnt proven him self yet and i know he will! I personally think wali is more talented than ron dayne and can back up ahman, it makes me angry though that after a great rookie season the texans wont use him!
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Okay, I'll shock the board and dodge the resulting tomatoes. Based only on performance in first game, I'll ask "Who should our starting RB be?" Green and Dayne and Lundy should me little to feel comfortable about. Looks like our offense may need to switch to the passing game.
 
ObsiWan said:
I agree with you on two of those but we're set at LB. DeMeco, Greenwood, and Clark are the ones.

I'd like to know what you expect out of Greenwood.
- He was 2nd on the team in tackles with 111 (Dunta was 3rd w/83),
- He forced two fumbles (Peek was the only other guy with 2 FF), - - He had one INT - just like DeMeco (only guys who had two picks were Dunta & Petey Faggins),
- He registered one sack,
- He had 5.5 tackles for loss; only one fewer than DeMeco.

And doesn't he come out on obvious passing downs? Heck, given that, he had a solid year.

What is it you're looking for?

Is this the "I gotta see ESPY highlight reel material" mindset again?
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If stats is your thing you should visit NFL.com and look at where Greenwood ranks in realation to his peers....

He's in a 4 or 5 way tie for 24th in tackles...He's tied with a couple corners and a safety....After that notice as you go down how many of the OLB's who have less tackles than him are killing him in sacks...then look at the interceptions....

I don't need stats to know when someone is a ball player or not when I can see them with my own eyes...If your immediate response is to turn to a stat sheet to 'prove' a player is good, odds are said player ain't all that...

Greenwood is not nearly agressive enough, he's a terrible blitzer and he doesn't cover all that well...

He has a lot of tackles but how many of those tackles do you remember ? How many times did he drag ball carriers down for losses ? How many times did he stop backs for no gain? How many times has he caused havoc in the backfield, near the line of scrimmage, or caused havoc period? How many times did he deflect a thrown ball or hit a reciever or back as they caught it ? What plays has Greenwood made to lead you to believe he's a baller ?

The guy is serviceable and when we find someone better he's gone...The WLB should be making all kinds of plays in this defense...
 
ObsiWan said:
Morency was cut loose for three reasons - in no particular order...
(1) Fumbles. You know caoches hate that.
(2) He's a dancer". Didn't quite adapt to the one-cut-and-go running style of this system
(3) Sherman had a chance to bring one of "his guys", Gado, to the team.
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Maybe you just missed the point...


Doesn't matter what we thought about Morency...

The Packers weren't going to trade Gado str8 up for a guy they thought was going to be worse...

None of the things you mention disprove my opinion that Morency was our best young back...
 
On the short yardage issue, Dayne isn't a short yardage back, I think history shows that, he doesn't have the instincts for it.

Lundy however had a reputuation as a good short yardage and goal line runner coming out of college, that was a reason we drafted him.

Dayne earned a shot at the #2 at the end of the year.

Lundy didn't at the beginning of the year.

However Gado proved that in Green Bay he was adequate at carrying the load as a starter.

On Morency I liked his speed and big play potential, but happy feet don't cut it in this offense..... maybe why Ron "I can't cut, if you gave me a hot knife and butter" Dayne does ok in our system.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Maybe you just missed the point...


Doesn't matter what we thought about Morency...

The Packers weren't going to trade Gado str8 up for a guy they thought was going to be worse...

None of the things you mention disprove my opinion that Morency was our best young back...
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Conversely would the Texans have traded Morency straight up for a guy they thought was going to be worse??

Hold on, did Casserley make that trade??
 
kiwitexansfan said:
On the short yardage issue, Dayne isn't a short yardage back, I think history shows that, he doesn't have the instincts for it.

Lundy however had a reputuation as a good short yardage and goal line runner coming out of college, that was a reason we drafted him.

Dayne earned a shot at the #2 at the end of the year.

Lundy didn't at the beginning of the year.

However Gado proved that in Green Bay he was adequate at carrying the load as a starter.

On Morency I liked his speed and big play potential, but happy feet don't cut it in this offense..... maybe why Ron "I can't cut, if you gave me a hot knife and butter" Dayne does ok in our system.
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Yep, the one cut system is the only system where Dayne isn't one of the biggest busts of all time.

I don't know why we didn't go after Duckett in FA this year. A leaner, meaner, faster big back that loves short yardage.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Maybe you just missed the point...


Doesn't matter what we thought about Morency...

The Packers weren't going to trade Gado str8 up for a guy they thought was going to be worse...

None of the things you mention disprove my opinion that Morency was our best young back...
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That's stating the obvious.
Neither side was going to make a trade to get a guy who would be worse for their team.

The point of my post was to outline why Kubiak thought (or so I'd heard) this was a good move. I'm not trying to change your mind.
Hell, at the time, the trade pissed me off too - I thought he had potential But like you said, "Doesn't matter what we thought..."
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If stats is your thing you should visit NFL.com and look at where Greenwood ranks in realation to his peers....

He's in a 4 or 5 way tie for 24th in tackles...He's tied with a couple corners and a safety....After that notice as you go down how many of the OLB's who have less tackles than him are killing him in sacks...then look at the interceptions....

I don't need stats to know when someone is a ball player or not when I can see them with my own eyes...If your immediate response is to turn to a stat sheet to 'prove' a player is good, odds are said player ain't all that...

Greenwood is not nearly agressive enough, he's a terrible blitzer and he doesn't cover all that well...

He has a lot of tackles but how many of those tackles do you remember ? How many times did he drag ball carriers down for losses ? How many times did he stop backs for no gain? How many times has he caused havoc in the backfield, near the line of scrimmage, or caused havoc period? How many times did he deflect a thrown ball or hit a reciever or back as they caught it ? What plays has Greenwood made to lead you to believe he's a baller ?

The guy is serviceable and when we find someone better he's gone...The WLB should be making all kinds of plays in this defense...
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I never said he was pro bowl caliber or even ESPY-worthy, I said he was solid.
As long as he makes the plays he needs to make to help us win, that's all I care about.

I brought up his totals only because it seemed that you thought he wasn't pulling his weight (perhaps I misinterpreted your comment). But as far as his numbers relative to THIS team, he sure seems to be. He had more tackles than the two guys that played the other OLB put together. What counts is, does he help us win or hurt us?

Obviously Kubiak & Smith think the LB position should be upgraded since we signed two F/As and drafted two youngsters to push the starters.

And I'm all for my team getting better.
 
ObsiWan said:
He had more tackles than the two guys that played the other OLB put together. What counts is, does he help us win or hurt us?
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Who is Greenwood competing with for tackles besides Demeco?

Saying he had more tackles than Two DE's converted to SLB doesn't exactly give me the warm fuzzies....

IMHO, Greenwood hurts us...He is a terrible pass rusher from his LB position...that hurts us.....He's bad in pass coverage....that hurts us....He's not agressive....that hurts us....He doesn't make plays on the opponents side of the ball.....that hurts us....I think someone mentioned that he wasn't on the field for passing downs...that hurts us...He's not a playmaker.....that hurts us.....


What has Greenwood done consistently to HELP us on game days besides rack up a bunch of tackles 4-10 yards pass the LOS....

We were a bottom ranked defense last year...That doesn't happen with
'solid' guys all over the place...
 
I was suprised we went with AO, when both Willis and Timmons were on the board. Both would have brought some serious heat from WLB. I figured if we were going to go DT, it would be a space eater like Branch or Harrel
 
kiwitexansfan said:
On the short yardage issue, Dayne isn't a short yardage back, I think history shows that, he doesn't have the instincts for it.

Lundy however had a reputuation as a good short yardage and goal line runner coming out of college, that was a reason we drafted him.

Dayne earned a shot at the #2 at the end of the year.

Lundy didn't at the beginning of the year.

However Gado proved that in Green Bay he was adequate at carrying the load as a starter.

On Morency I liked his speed and big play potential, but happy feet don't cut it in this offense..... maybe why Ron "I can't cut, if you gave me a hot knife and butter" Dayne does ok in our system.
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1.why diddnt lundy
2. if he is great at it why not play him as a 3rd down back?
 
Lundy is not fast and he runs a lot lighter than his listed 211. He doesn't seem as adept in Sherman's power scheme as he was in the zone cutback stuff.

Beyond AG, our RBs don't excite me. Dayne is a plow. Gado is Dayne light. They can be effective but it sure won't be pretty. AG needs to stay healthy.

To answer the question, Dayne at #2 is the no brainer.
 
thats ur opinion but i dont agree at all, Ron Dayne is a beast and can start if we need him to as we saw last year, gado is fast and agile, lundy is a great 3rd down back and short yardage back but had four 20+ yard carries last season more than reggie bush btw, and AG is my only worry he is old and a fumble king u hit him right that ball will be out of his hands so fast.
 
Ahman Green's reputation as a fumbler is far overblown. He has lost 14 fumbles in total throughout his long career.

Although his rap as a fumbler has been hard to shake, it should be noted that running back greats such as Walter Payton, Jim Brown and Tony Dorsett all fumbled more frequently than Green. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahman_Green)
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Ahman Green's reputation as a fumbler is far overblown. He has lost 14 fumbles in total throughout his long career.

Although his rap as a fumbler has been hard to shake, it should be noted that running back greats such as Walter Payton, Jim Brown and Tony Dorsett all fumbled more frequently than Green. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahman_Green)
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he is also older though and if he gets hurt i think he is done being starter here
 
aj. said:
Lundy is not fast and he runs a lot lighter than his listed 211. He doesn't seem as adept in Sherman's power scheme as he was in the zone cutback stuff.

Beyond AG, our RBs don't excite me. Dayne is a plow. Gado is Dayne light. They can be effective but it sure won't be pretty. AG needs to stay healthy.

To answer the question, Dayne at #2 is the no brainer.
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I second this! If Green goes down the season is in Schaubs hands.

After watching the Bears game AGAIN I noticed that Dayne should not have been used on that goal line stand. Green would've dove over the pile easily. The only thing Dayne does is lower his head and relies on his weight to get him yardage. On the 3rd and 1 play the Bears front wedged our line and basically dove towards the ground causing our line to pile. A vertical leap over the pile would've been 6. With Dayne's 2" vertical, it couldn't be done.:gun:

Oh well, he's the #2 back. So he was in with the twos.
 
I don't understand the Texans trying to use Dayne as a short yardage/power back. There is a difference between running the ball on 1st down and getting 2 yards falling forward vs. having to get 1 yard for a TD or First Down and the defense is trying to stop you...

Getting short yardage is a skill...It takes a good balance of the Offensive line getting some push and the RB having a nose for the End Zone or Sticks...
 
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