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What I saw tonight from Mario was piss-poor. He couldn't get off blocks to stop the run, he over pursued at times, and got decent penetration just once. I don't know what his deal is and I know that it is just the first game of the preseason but I expected him to have a lot of energy and explosiveness tonight and I got neither. If he plays like this all season then we made a really big mistake by taking him No. 1. Hopefully he will come around and I think he will but tonight was not a good sign. On a lighter note DeMeco looked like a true pro bowler...I think he might be the most talented player on our team and yes that includes Andre. That kid looks just unbelievable.
 
MarioWrecksIt said:
What I saw tonight from Mario was piss-poor. He couldn't get off blocks to stop the run, he over pursued at times, and got decent penetration just once. I don't know what his deal is and I know that it is just the first game of the preseason but I expected him to have a lot of energy and explosiveness tonight and I got neither. If he plays like this all season then we made a really big mistake by taking him No. 1. Hopefully he will come around and I think he will but tonight was not a good sign. On a lighter note DeMeco looked like a true pro bowler...I think he might be the most talented player on our team and yes that includes Andre. That kid looks just unbelievable.
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So you thought he would get ten sacks tonight?
 
TEXANRED said:
So you thought he would get ten sacks tonight?
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No but I thought he would get up field a little bit, maybe show some good lateral pursuit and blow up the OT at least once...if we were watching the same game then you should agree that he did nothing to show that he has improved dramatically as the press has been telling us from last season. Not saying he won't be great this year but tonight was not a good showing. Nothing bad from him but nothing good.
 
MarioWrecksIt said:
No but I thought he would get up field a little bit, maybe show some good lateral pursuit and blow up the OT at least once...if we were watching the same game then you should agree that he did nothing to show that he has improved dramatically as the press has been telling us from last season. Not saying he won't be great this year but tonight was not a good showing. Nothing bad from him but nothing good.
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Some people are slow starters. He wasn't really in the game much, hard to get a Good rhythm going. By the time the adrenaline wore off and he was able to settle down he was out of the game.

Not to worried right now. Its just the first preseason game. Now if he doesn't show anything when we play the Cowboys after three quarters, then I am gonna worry.
 
I am watChing the reply right now. First two plays of the game he drew double teams. First time Benson comes from the backfield to assist second two lineman double up and still had to grab jersey and hold. Next couple of plays were short drops were there was not time for pressure. He did get owned on one play but it happenS. He did have a few over pursuits but all in all I would say it was average. His first live action of the new season at a new playing weight and a healthy foot, I will reserve judgement for the regular season but he does need to step it up! Needs show why he was the first overall pick!
 
Htownsportsfan said:
I am watChing the reply right now. First two plays of the game he drew double teams. First time Benson comes from the backfield to assist second two lineman double up and still had to grab jersey and hold. Next couple of plays were short drops were there was not time for pressure. He did get owned on one play but it happenS. He did have a few over pursuits but all in all I would say it was average. His first live action of the new season at a new playing weight and a healthy foot, I will reserve judgement for the regular season but he does need to step it up! Needs show why he was the first overall pick!
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Could not agree more. As I was saying I understand that this is the first preseason and the starters got limited snaps but I just thought he would be a little more explosive. Im not saying his season is going to be another average one by No. 1 pick standards but I didn't see much from him that impressed me. Still have complete faith in him but after what Ive heard and seen in training camp I guess I was just dying to see him dominate the OL. In time it will come tonight just wasnt his night.
 
Hardcore Texan said:
I noticed him getting double teamed when I watched him.
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From what I remember, he was double teamed in the first set of downs. But after that he was pretty much handled by the tackle. Mario got burned on a couple of running plays as well, mostly due to overpursuing.

The other side of that is Mario was playing against John St. Clair all night, which is Chicago's second string LT. John Tait is first string and didn't play.

I know a lot of y'all aren't worried about this, but I am.
 
Hagar said:
The other side of that is Mario was playing against John St. Clair all night, which is Chicago's second string LT. John Tait is first string and didn't play.

I know a lot of y'all aren't worried about this, but I am.
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Wow didnt know St. Clair was 2nd string thats even worse news.
 
Was hoping for more from Mario too.
Trying not to get too discouraged, especially considering the limited playing time he had.
 
I wouldn't make too much of it. It's pre-season and he has nothing to prove in pre-season.

If he has a bad showing in pre-season some people will say "Oh look he still has not improved"

and if he has a good showing people are going to say "It's pre-season you don't know if the OT was giving full effort."

We don't know if Mario was giving full effort, he has RE pretty much secured, really no reason to go out there and give 100% if you have a spot secured.

Now if this was against the Cheifs i'd be a bit more worried, as it is though I saw him and said "OH well it's preseason."

But Travis Johnson did a good job on the limited time he got in, so did Amobe on a play or two. So that is good to know. Ahman Green didn't go out there and have a good showing...
 
Htownsportsfan said:
Needs show why he was the first overall pick!
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Actually, it wasn't his fault he was the #1 pick. Most teams would not have had him at #1. He could have easily been a mid 1st rounder. He didn't have a great college career and most had not even heard of him until he hit the weight room during the NFL combines. Maybe the Texans need to explain why he was their #1 pick. At this point I will be happy if he just plays like a first rounder.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Actually, it wasn't his fault he was the #1 pick. Most teams would not have had him at #1. He could have easily been a mid 1st rounder. He didn't have a great college career and most had not even heard of him until he hit the weight room during the NFL combines. Maybe the Texans need to explain why he was their #1 pick. At this point I will be happy if he just plays like a first rounder.
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175 tackles and 25.5 sacks in his 36 game career isn't bad at all. His senior year was even better with 62 total tackles with 24 tackles for loss, 14.5 sacks, 15 hurries, a safety and a blocked kick. Say what you want about being disappointed in him in our 1st pre season game, but to say he didn't have a great college career is crazy.

Anyways, Mario looked alright tonight, it's really hard to gauge his pass rush skills when Grossman wouldn't throw the ball more than 5 yards. I still expect alot more from him, but it's only pre season, no need to worry.
 
Is it just me or does anyone else think that our 6'-7" man-child should go in with his ARMS UP. I've never seen him do that. If he isn't getting penetration or he sees its a short, 3-step route, why doesn't he raise those damned tree limbs and block a pass or two. At least take away the passing lane or obscure the QBs vision....

...is that too much to ask? Or would that be considered extra effort?
 
I still intend to give Mario the benefit of the doubt through the preseason. But the "fire" that people are talking about, whether he reached the QB last night or not, was blatantly lacking. I can't help but go back to the Lamborghini video. That is the 1st time I had reason to doubt his maturity...........I think I now have a 2nd.
 
LORK 88 said:
175 tackles and 25.5 sacks in his 36 game career isn't bad at all. His senior year was even better with 62 total tackles with 24 tackles for loss, 14.5 sacks, 15 hurries, a safety and a blocked kick. Say what you want about being disappointed in him in our 1st pre season game, but to say he didn't have a great college career is crazy.

Anyways, Mario looked alright tonight, it's really hard to gauge his pass rush skills when Grossman wouldn't throw the ball more than 5 yards. I still expect alot more from him, but it's only pre season, no need to worry.
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Now that's a post worth a rep. Carr 's gone you hens gotta work youselves up about something...I guess Mario is going to be your whipping boy from here on out. I guess if he can't get there in two seconds that means he's a bust ? What i saw was a guy killing himslef tring to live up to expectations. The big news about last night was that we're loaded at DT and the odds are a couple of our guys we're going to see again on the other side of the field in another game down the road in a different uniform after we release them.
 
Former No. 1 overall pick Mario Williams didn't make any noise in his first preseason outing. Williams played at left end on the first two series of the game. He had no tackles and no quarterback hurries.

"I was basically just going out there and running around and trying to get a feel for it and then making adjustments," Williams said. "I probably should have made some adjustments earlier since I was only out there for so long. But it's only preseason."
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Its unfair but Mario will be the whipping boy unless he can exceed peoples expectations, which is impossible for the 1st overall pick.

Is hard to watch the first a preseason game and judge to much. Both offenses and defesesive coordinators hold back on the play calling liek they are protecting natinal secrets. Thats why teams like Indy tend to lose in the pre season. I believe the Colts lost all four preseason games last year and still won the SB.
 
The guys that are locked into a starting position typically go at 3/4 speed in pre season...why should Mario go 200% and take a chance of reaggravating his ham string? or his foot? Do you think Pitts would have really sat out this game if it were regular season? Pre season is nothing more than 5% letting the starters gel for a few plays and 95% "job interview" for the 2 and 3 guys,,,you guys need to lay off,,,even the worst players on the field know way more about what is going on out there than most on this board,,,I'd say if you are qualified to give an opinion to what these guys are doing or not doing out there then wait till at least week 3 of the regular season,,,till then let the people getting paid to "whip" these guys use their professional experience to do so,,,bringing the Lambo video up to compare with his play last night is completely insane,,,
 
Mario looks imposing.....like a Lamborghini without an engine. I wasn't impressed with him at all last night.
 
LORK 88 said:
175 tackles and 25.5 sacks in his 36 game career isn't bad at all. His senior year was even better with 62 total tackles with 24 tackles for loss, 14.5 sacks, 15 hurries, a safety and a blocked kick. Say what you want about being disappointed in him in our 1st pre season game, but to say he didn't have a great college career is crazy.

Anyways, Mario looked alright tonight, it's really hard to gauge his pass rush skills when Grossman wouldn't throw the ball more than 5 yards. I still expect alot more from him, but it's only pre season, no need to worry.
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Except most of those stats came from shoving over junior college linemen and getting sacks on their QBs. When he ran up against real college talent, he was thrown around like a blocking dummy.

Bush looked great at the end of the year, and is now really starting to hit his stride. Bush is well on his way to being one of the best offensive weapons in the NFL, while Mario is still trying to bullrush guys he has no chance of overpowering.
 
I watched the first half again last night and I was disappointed with the way Mario played. It is pre-season and maybe he was just getting the feel of the game, but to generally state that he probably wasn't giving 100% is just another excuse. Even worse, if you read his quote in the paper, it looks like he is making the same excuse himself.

I am sure that there are established veterans who have proved themselves in the league who "take it easy" in preseason games, but to suggest that all starters do that is just wrong. It also begs the question - what does Mario feel that he has accomplished in the league that he can just walk through pre-season game action? Was he so over-powering last year that he feels that he doesn't have anything to work on with limited live-action snaps in the pre-season? I assume that he just thinks that he is just going to turn on the dominance he showed last year when the regular season starts.

I am not trying to be negative and I want Mario to succeed - I am tired of hearing about what a bad pick the Texans made last year, but most of all he needs to play well for the team to improve. Whether he likes it or not, he is expected to be a leader for this team. What would the reaction of this board have been in Matt Schaub stated, "Well, I over threw Walter on my last play, but I wasn't giving 100% to make a good throw because it is pre-season and it doesn't matter."

The pre-season should be spent getting in game shape and working on those areas of the game that each player needs to improve. Mario was a non-factor last night. Period. He isn't still getting used to the speed of the NFL. He isn't working on a bum foot. At the very least, Mario should be working on is effort every play this preseason.

Oh...OK, he just isn't giving 100%. Well, at least there is a reason.
 
It's still too early to call the guy a bust yet, but I'm preparing myself for the possibility.

I'd like to see him get a little meaner. An interesting exchange from HBO's series "Hard Knocks:"

Rookie Tank Tyler: "What do you do when guys are holding you and pulling you down?"
4-year vet Jared Allen: "Kick 'em."

I couldn't help but think of Mario when I heard that, considering how much he was getting held last year.
 
Spike said:
I am not trying to be negative and I want Mario to succeed - I am tired of hearing about what a bad pick the Texans made last year...
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we are going to keep hearing it till Mario proves them wrong...he needs to show something. There is no "later"....he needs to show something asap. Babin looks like a better edge rusher than Mario does at this point....heck, Babin had more sacks than Mario did last year.
 
For locked starters like Mario the goal of preseason is to stay healthy and not get hurt. I wouldn't really worry about anything he does or doesn't do in preseason.
 
Since we are talking about DE's.......

Was it my imagination or was all the pressure coming fromthe Left side last night? Kalu, Babin, Cochran. They were all getting pretty good pressure. Starting to get a little crowded over there when Weaver comes back.

Maybe we should start Babin and Cochran and bench Mario.

Then again, its just preseason and a little to early to tell.........
 
tulexan said:
For locked starters like Mario the goal of preseason is to stay healthy and not get hurt. I wouldn't really worry about anything he does or doesn't do in preseason.
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If that is the true goal, they should all sit. Any football player can get hurt any time that he steps on the field. A lot of guys who have played football will tell you that you are more likely getting injured in live action by not going full speed.
 
Vinny said:
we are going to keep hearing it till Mario proves them wrong...he needs to show something. There is no "later"....he needs to show something asap. Babin looks like a better edge rusher than Mario does at this point....heck, Babin had more sacks than Mario did last year.
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I think Mario gets another year . After that ... well ... Abatte seems to make the LB to FB move look easy and Mario looks like he trying to block the OT .
 
tulexan said:
For locked starters like Mario the goal of preseason is to stay healthy and not get hurt. I wouldn't really worry about anything he does or doesn't do in preseason.
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that's David Carr needs 70 starts to prove something logic.....Mario needs to dominate or beat the player in front of him....whenever he plays....he has to show something at some point. The point you make is for guys like Andre Johnson or Peyton Manning...guys who have shown something in this league. Mario still has to prove he is an elite edge rusher...something he has never proven in the NFL.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I think Mario gets another year . After that ... well ... Abatte seems to make the LB to FB move look easy and Mario looks like he trying to block the OT .
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Mario doesn't "get another year". He needs to play well now. All this waiting for tomorrow rubbish is the same mental illness that all the Carr lovers had.
 
Vinny said:
Mario doesn't "get another year". He needs to play well now. All this waiting for tomorrow rubbish is the same mental illness that all the Carr lovers had.
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Actually I'd tell Mario his job this pre-season is to get in the backfield . I don't care if you get an offsides I want you to attack the line of scrimmage or I'll find someone who will .
 
TEXANRED said:
Since we are talking about DE's.......

Was it my imagination or was all the pressure coming fromthe Left side last night? Kalu, Babin, Cochran. They were all getting pretty good pressure. Starting to get a little crowded over there when Weaver comes back.

Maybe we should start Babin and Cochran and bench Mario.

Then again, its just preseason and a little to early to tell.........
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No it was not your imagination and its something you might better get prepared for! Kalu is going to be a far better pass rusher this year he is smart and athletic and whould be getting less attention due to the fact Okoye and Mario are going to draw allot of attention onthe opposite side whether deserved or not.
 
Mario was real disappointing to me last night. I just watched the game again and there were quite a few times where he got locked up by the OT, and they would run his way untouched. He needs to shrug off his blockers better and get lower to increase leverage if he wants to be better against the run. As for his pass rushing, he didn't get to the QB at all except for maybe one time but he did draw a few double teams. One in which, freed up Amobi to come up the middle and hurry the QB. Overall the DL needs to get a better pass rush...I'm hoping things we will be better come next week.
 
I'd tell Mario that every play is a battle for public opinion on his draft spot. Forget the ignore the media stuff. You know he can't. You know it burns him up. Channel that anger and frustration into those linemen every play. If you get beat one play that's one point for the bust crowd. If you beat the linemen, that's one point for you. If he can't get fired up with that kind of thinking, he ain't going to get fired up.
 
Htownsportsfan said:
No it was not your imagination and its something you might better get prepared for! Kalu is going to be a far better pass rusher this year he is smart and athletic and whould be getting less attention due to the fact Okoye and Mario are going to draw allot of attention onthe opposite side whether deserved or not.
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I was a Kalu fan back when he played for the Eagles. I was very excited when the Texans picked him up last year.
 
I know what I thought of Mario's effort last night. But there's nothing I can do to change it.

But I wonder what Kubiak thought of Mario's effort, and what he will do to change it.

And as far as getting pressure on the quarterback goes, the "it's only just preseason" excuse does not cut it, at all, so STOP SAYING IT. I commented on the lack of a pass rush after the 1st preseason game last year, and the chicken-little parade came out and stomped on me.

I've listened to that lame excuse for 6 years straight. "No pressure on the quarterback, well it's only preseason". Well, guess what folks? That quarterback had no pressure at all on him last night. And that's exactly what it will be the rest of the season . . . no pressure. Just like the last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that.

The only positive I saw last night was it appeared that our new starting quarterback might be the real deal. But I don't care to hear anymore about how our secondary sucks, when nobody will acknowlege the real reason why it appears that they suck. They aren't getting it done up front . . . period.
 
Marcus said:
I know what I thought of Mario's effort last night. But there's nothing I can do to change it.

But I wonder what Kubiak thought of Mario's effort, and what he will do to change it.

And as far as getting pressure on the quarterback goes, the "it's only just preseason" excuse does not cut it, all, so STOP SAYING IT. I commented on the lack of a pass rush after the 1st preseason game last year, and the chicken-little parade came out and stomped on me.

I've listened to that lame excuse for 6 years straight. "No pressure on the quarterback, well it's only preseason". Well, guess what folks? That quarterback had no pressure at all on him last night. And that's exactly what it will be the rest of the season . . . no pressure. Just like the last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that.

The only positive I saw last night was it appeared that our new starting quarterback might be the real deal. But I don't care to hear anymore about how our secondary sucks, when nobody will acknowlege the real reason why it appears that they suck. They aren't getting it done up front . . . period.
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Actually there was quit a bit of pressure last night. It just didnt come from Mario.

As I have mentioned before, Babin and Kalu found themselves in the defensive back field a few times last night. Cochran was owning his guy.

I thought the linebackers stepped up and stopped the run against a pretty good RB. The DB's kept everything in front of them for a change.

All in all it was a pretty good night for the 1&2's.
 
Vinny said:
Mario doesn't "get another year". He needs to play well now. All this waiting for tomorrow rubbish is the same mental illness that all the Carr lovers had.
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I agree with vinny. Granted some players had a better supporting cast but Shawne Merriman didn't need 2 years
Demarcus Ware didn't need 2 years

for example

now i am not saying the sky is falling on MW, I think he will (or hope) he will become a good one, I am just saying to follow vinny's logic
 
Brand new poster here.

I was actually dissappointed with Mario last night myself. The spotlight is clearly on him, and I think Texans fans are kind of getting tired of defending his play with the traditional bevvy of excuses. The numbers say he is such a talented freek of nature, but his play just hasn't born that out yet. With the amount of hype behind his selection you really expect a guy out there who is almost unblockable. That's not what we are getting.

I fully understand how young he is and about his injury last year, but if someone is that talented you expect them to show you something really impressive at least once in a while, and I don't think we've gotten that. With his speed he should be able to get under and around the outside shoulder of his man, and with his strength he should be able to bull rush more. I didn't see either speed or strength displayed last night. He seems to lock up with the tackle and then never really get free.

He will probably get better, but so far I haven't really seen anything that makes me go "wow". I hope we don't spend this season continuing to make excuses for him.

We no longer have Carr to be distracted by.
 
Wolf said:
I agree with vinny. Granted some players had a better supporting cast but Shawne Merriman didn't need 2 years
Demarcus Ware didn't need 2 years

for example

now i am not saying the sky is falling on MW, I think he will (or hope) he will become a good one, I am just saying to follow vinny's logic
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i sure was hoping ware would fall to us that year. i think our staff liked him but he was already gone.
 
TEXANRED said:
Actually there was quit a bit of pressure last night. It just didnt come from Mario.

As I have mentioned before, Babin and Kalu found themselves in the defensive back field a few times last night. Cochran was owning his guy.

I thought the linebackers stepped up and stopped the run against a pretty good RB. The DB's kept everything in front of them for a change.

All in all it was a pretty good night for the 1&2's.
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And what was Rex Grossman's stats again last night? I forgot. Was he at least hurried in any of his throws? Forget about sacks. Did we 'bring pressure' on Grossman last night? We're talking about the same Rex Grossman that most of you wouldn't even swap you-know-you for, ya know???
 
HotRodsHair said:
Brand new poster here.

I was actually dissappointed with Mario last night myself. The spotlight is clearly on him, and I think Texans fans are kind of getting tired of defending his play with the traditional bevvy of excuses. The numbers say he is such a talented freek of nature, but his play just hasn't born that out yet. With the amount of hype behind his selection you really expect a guy out there who is almost unblockable. That's not what we are getting.

I fully understand how young he is and about his injury last year, but if someone is that talented you expect them to show you something really impressive at least once in a while, and I don't think we've gotten that. With his speed he should be able to get under and around the outside shoulder of his man, and with his strength he should be able to bull rush more. I didn't see either speed or strength displayed last night. He seems to lock up with the tackle and then never really get free.

He will probably get better, but so far I haven't really seen anything that makes me go "wow". I hope we don't spend this season continuing to make excuses for him.

We no longer have Carr to be distracted by.
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welcome to the board :texflag:
 
You learnt that, whatever you are doing in life, obstacles don't matter very much. Pain or other circumstances can be there, but if you want to do a job bad enough, you'll find a way to get it done.


Jack Youngblood
 
Marcus said:
And what was Rex Grossman's stats again last night? I forgot. Was he at least hurried in any of his throws? Forget about sacks. Did we 'bring pressure' on Grossman last night? We're talking about the same Rex Grossman that most of you wouldn't even swap you-know-you for, ya know???
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bears offense did a really good job of getting Grossman to get the ball out of his hands.. that olsen(rookie TE?) seems that he will be a very good help for Rex
 
not making excuses here just read this

Texans | M. Williams held out of practice
Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:04:16 -0700

Megan Manfull and Dale Robertson, of the Houston Chronicle, report Houston Texans DE Mario Williams (hamstring) was held out of practice Thursday, Aug. 2.
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http://www.kffl.com/team/18/NFL

I haven't had many hamstring injuries(for some reason Quads), but seems they are "bothersome" ..however with that said, I would think if it were something serious, MW wouldn't have played
 
Mario was unimpressive last night. However, the first defensive unit that he is on gave up no points to the first offensive unit of the Bears. The Texans D passed in my opinion. Style points dont mean jack crap in the NFL except with sports journalists, bloggers, agents and sponsors.
 
I was very disappointed in Mario...

He looked exactly like he did last year, just skinnier.
 
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