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Ahman Green

Of course you can. But the reality of it is he is over thirty and every time he steps onto the feild now...at this stage of his career, he is defing the odds. Most last three years and this guy has gone 2.5 times longer. Keep the touches below twenty a game, platoon him he Might get to 1200/8 TDs behind this line.
If Carolina is up to parr, that will be a bench mark. He gets past the pathers he's got a real chance to finish the season.
 
I see Green and Dayne as for this season only. Hopefully, one of the younger guys shows enough to be a starter for a few seasons after. If not, I'd look strong at a RB for 2008. We could possibly end the season with question marks at QB, #2 WR, FS, LT, C, #2 CB, DE (opposite Mario), LB and RB.
 
with chris taylors size and speed you would think he could potentialy be a really good back...now just needs to fix the fumbling problem
 
Let's not forget Green's blocking abilities, too. They are a skill that Kubiak will want to be passed down to the younger guys.

Nice highlights, though! :thumbup
 
johndoe said:
with chris taylors size and speed you would think he could potentialy be a really good back...now just needs to fix the fumbling problem
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I think a lot of eyes will be on this youngster. He started out pretty well. Maybe this is his year to explode on the season. If we could have another 1,000 yds rusher with a few TDs originating from outside of the 20 on this team, it would really benefit the offense.
 
Double Barrel said:
Let's not forget Green's blocking abilities, too. They are a skill that Kubiak will want to be passed down to the younger guys.

Nice highlights, though! :thumbup
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Exactly. That's why Lundy got sent back to the practice squad for a while last year. His blocking was bad.
 
one thing that stood out to me in the video was tremendous speed control, like a sports car keeping the needle at redline but changing gears at will, very impressive. you see how he would coast for a while then "BAM" put it in passing gear and shoot past 2 or 3 defenders? almost like a kick returners moves. watching him in recent years though he seems to have lost a few of those gears, not quite the acceleration ability. but he still has the vision, maybe moreso now then in college. I think we will benefit from his play both on the scoreboard and on the practice field. Taylor has the speed and the agility, not sure about the explosive quickness though. I fear we may need to spend a high draft pick to solve our long term situation at RB. but we should be solid enough until that can mature. I cant wait ! GO TEXANS!
 
Green was no doubt the best RB in free agency. But he has had really 1 extremely impressive year and a few in which he was in the top 7 or 8 backs in the league. He hasn't had 1200 yards in a season in 3 years. He got 1059 yards last year and 1163 the year before his injury. He's only scored 8 or more rushing TD's 3 times in his career and since 03 he hasn't had a bunch of success to speak of.

Expecting him to get 1200/8 may be a bit much especially since I would imagine that Dayne will get a lot of goal line carries. I would pay more attention to his YPC than anything if you want to gauge his effectiveness. If the Texans as a whole average more than 4.0 - 4.2 YPC (not including the QB) they will have a better year than I thought.

And where do we expect him to get 20 carries/game?

Here are his carries/game averages since he got to green bay.

16.4
19
20.4
22.1
17
15.4
19

I think if you want him to stay healthy you have to limit him to 18 or so touches. He has played a full season only 4 times in his career (granted he's played at least 14 games 8 of his 9 seasons). I expect him to be spelled by Dayne early and its a damn good sign if we see Taylor replacing him later in the year.



Mike
 
Ahman getting 1200+ would be nice. But if I had to choose between that stat and our running game as a whole averaging 4.0-4.5 yds/carry, I'd pick the latter. That says we have a running attack that must be dealt with which, in turn, makes our play action passing more effective.
 
Look, it's a nice video of the guy in his hey-day in college. That was over 8 years ago. He is on the wrong side of 30, and doesn't have those gears. Even in college he was caught from behind on his highlights, and that was just the Big 12. This is the NFL, where they can catch Bush easily. Green isn't a good enough back to do that stuff anymore. I really do not expect more than 800-900 yards from him. I don't think he will have an injury, but may have a mystry one at the end of the year that he had to secretly cope with during the year and he is let go for that cited reason. In reality, I expect him to be a flop. I expect him to go about 3-4 games as the true feature back, and when he proves that he can't be that guy, we start seeing much more of a rotation.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Look, it's a nice video of the guy in his hey-day in college. That was over 8 years ago. He is on the wrong side of 30, and doesn't have those gears. Even in college he was caught from behind on his highlights, and that was just the Big 12. This is the NFL, where they can catch Bush easily. Green isn't a good enough back to do that stuff anymore. I really do not expect more than 800-900 yards from him. I don't think he will have an injury, but may have a mystry one at the end of the year that he had to secretly cope with during the year and he is let go for that cited reason. In reality, I expect him to be a flop. I expect him to go about 3-4 games as the true feature back, and when he proves that he can't be that guy, we start seeing much more of a rotation.
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OTOH, he did have a 70 yard run last year and he has had some 90+ runs in his career.

I'm still a bit ambivalent about the Ahman Green signing. I'm hoping that he's a monster and a hoss for us and he was one of the most hyped free agent RB's but there's a lot of possibility for a miss with him. They say he looks like he's in great shape so let's hope he returns to the 2003 form. :fans:
 
he WAS a beast 10 years ago lets see how he does this year. I'd like to see how Taylor comes along. He did great last year. He seemed to be way quicker than his blocks most the time. I think thats why Dayne did so well. He was slow enough that his blocks were there and had enough power to push his blocks through. Once our O line steps up and gets some speed I think that our RB core will be able to get quicker and Chris Taylor will really shine. Untill we get speed on our O line its going to be a big mans running world.
 
Didn't he just turn 30,(just wondering)?From what I've seen and heard of him he is in great shape,and didn't look like he lost that much speed in mini-camp.I think he could rush for 1200 this season,but see Chris Taylor getting most of the carries later in the season.I was really impressed by what I saw from Chris at MC.He's got great speed,size and Kubiak is impressed with him.So I think he will be the future at RB.
 
ReliantTexan said:
Didn't he just turn 30,(just wondering)?From what I've seen and heard of him he is in great shape,and didn't look like he lost that much speed in mini-camp.I think he could rush for 1200 this season,but see Chris Taylor getting most of the carries later in the season.I was really impressed by what I saw from Chris at MC.He's got great speed,size and Kubiak is impressed with him.So I think he will be the future at RB.
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Yes he did. And 30 is a bad time for running backs. I was just looking at it and there have been only like 14 guys who were already 30 when the season began that rushed for more than 1000 yards since 1980. Like 5 of those are Curtis Martin. Look for around 1000 if you ask me. Maybe less. YPC (yards per carry if someone is asleep while reading...) is probably the stat to look for.

Mike
 
Texanmike said:
Yes he did. And 30 is a bad time for running backs. I was just looking at it and there have been only like 14 guys who were already 30 when the season began that rushed for more than 1000 yards since 1980. Like 5 of those are Curtis Martin. Look for around 1000 if you ask me. Maybe less. YPC (yards per carry if someone is asleep while reading...) is probably the stat to look for.

Mike
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Dude, are you afraid of disappointment?

Cheer your team on, don't keep looking for the negative of everything. If you want to be a negative fan, become a Vikings fan, they are experts at it.
 
Mike Sherman said Green is looking great, and he's seen him for a good amount of his career. We have to have some faith in our FO, because they aren't doing this for their health. They want to win more than we want to see them win.

If Green doesn't pan out, we'll find out soon enough. But it won't be the end of the world, or even end of the season. We just have to hope for the best, and realize that part of signing Green was to teach certain skills and work attitudes to our younger backs. He's not here to be a long-term Texan.
 
It's all downhill from about age 30 on. Bone density decreases, maximum lung capacity decreases, organ efficiency decreases, the body starts losing its ability to regenerate cells, and neurological processes slow down. You always hear about how age 30 is bad for athletes - well these are some reasons why.

Certain people can string it out a little longer, and athletes in less physically demanding sports can cheat time a little better, but Father Time is undefeated. There's always steroids and HGH, which can alter biological processes, but that just buys a little time before other Very Bad Things (tm) start happening.

I'm hoping Green can stave off Father Time for one more year and put up a good YPC. I don't expect him to reach a lofty plateau in yardage or TDs, but if he can put up 4.2 YPC for a full season and pop off a couple 20+ TD runs, I'll call it a success. Taylor Dayne is going to have to pick up the slack (OK, bad '80s music reference there, lol).
 
Double Barrel said:
Mike Sherman said Green is looking great, and he's seen him for a good amount of his career. We have to have some faith in our FO, because they aren't doing this for their health. They want to win more than we want to see them win.

If Green doesn't pan out, we'll find out soon enough. But it won't be the end of the world, or even end of the season. We just have to hope for the best, and realize that part of signing Green was to teach certain skills and work attitudes to our younger backs. He's not here to be a long-term Texan.
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Personally, I think he's going to have one of his best years of his career. The Texans Oline has always been dogged on by the fans and media, but in reality been decent to good at run blocking.

I was never a huge Dominick fan at RB. So, if he can accomplish a 1000 yds a season, Green should dominate.:splits:
 
HOU-TEX said:
Personally, I think he's going to have one of his best years of his career. The Texans Oline has always been dogged on by the fans and media, but in reality been decent to good at run blocking.

I was never a huge Dominick fan at RB. So, if he can accomplish a 1000 yds a season, Green should dominate.:splits:
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DD was a lot better than people give him credit for. The line has always been better at run blocking than they have been at pass pro, but DD made those guys look good, too. He had an uncanny ability to never really take a solid hit, break arm tackles, keep the legs moving, running with a low center of gravity, and really, really good field vision. He never was a homerun threat, so people incorrectly think he wasn't that good.
 
eriadoc said:
DD was a lot better than people give him credit for. The line has always been better at run blocking than they have been at pass pro, but DD made those guys look good, too. He had an uncanny ability to never really take a solid hit, break arm tackles, keep the legs moving, running with a low center of gravity, and really, really good field vision. He never was a homerun threat, so people incorrectly think he wasn't that good.
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IMO, it was the other way around. The Oline made DD look good. Either way, I believe Green is by far a better RB at 30 than DD ever was.

And Green does still have the homerun threat.:shades:
 
HOU-TEX said:
IMO, it was the other way around. The Oline made DD look good. Either way, I believe Green is by far a better RB at 30 than DD ever was.

And Green does still have the homerun threat.:shades:
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Methinks you should go back, watch some of your tapes, and pay more attention to some of the tight spaces DD was fitting through. He had a knack for finding tight spaces, getting through, and making yards after contact.

But, we can agree to disagree. While I don't portray DD as a great RB, I seem to be at odds with most of the board in my assertion that he was better than many of the posters here give him credit for. I agree that Green was a better RB, but last year's version of Green was certainly not any better than DD was, especially when you factor in the receiving contributions. If Green is healthier now from his injury and can fight off Father Time for a year or two, he certainly can be better. And that is what we are all hoping for.

:texflag:
 
Actually Green kinda runs likd DD or vice versa if that bothers you, Green has allows been economy in motion with quick bursts of speed, never really taking a full hit. not bouncing around alot, just quick angled bursts barely getting by a pack of defenders. Green had the top gear though also, able to kick it into hyperdrive once he got some space. DD got tackled from behind alot, gaining medium yardage but taking many many snaps. wich is why he wore out his knee in such a short amount of time. I think if Green can keep his snaps at under 20 a game he will give us all we need. Then add in another 500 or so yards from Dayne and company , and we will have a solid but not spectacular run game. I like it.
 
eriadoc said:
Methinks you should go back, watch some of your tapes, and pay more attention to some of the tight spaces DD was fitting through. He had a knack for finding tight spaces, getting through, and making yards after contact.

But, we can agree to disagree. While I don't portray DD as a great RB, I seem to be at odds with most of the board in my assertion that he was better than many of the posters here give him credit for. I agree that Green was a better RB, but last year's version of Green was certainly not any better than DD was, especially when you factor in the receiving contributions. If Green is healthier now from his injury and can fight off Father Time for a year or two, he certainly can be better. And that is what we are all hoping for.

:texflag:
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It appears we aree to a certain point. I basically agree with everything you said in this paragraph. My comments weren't meaning DD was a bad RB, just that he was average to just above average.

Last year Green had 1059 yds 4.0 ypc in 14 games. While not being great, those numbers are solid for a guy that played through most of last season in pain.

Dominick was never labeled as dependable either. In the three years he played, he never finished a complete season. Green OTOH, has been very dependable and delivering 1000 yd seasons 6 out of nine seasons.

I think we agree, just on different levels.:)
 
IMO, his running style will allow him to defy time more than most, simply because he doesn't do a lot of fancy stuff. He is smart, he hits the hole quick and punches through anyone that stands in his way. He hasn't lost his instincts. My only concerns would be how many carries he can get in a game.
 
DBCooper said:
Dude, are you afraid of disappointment?

Cheer your team on, don't keep looking for the negative of everything. If you want to be a negative fan, become a Vikings fan, they are experts at it.
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You're right. Allow me to change my predictions:

Schaub becomes the first QB to pass for 6000 yards in a season.

Green becomes the first person to pass for 2000, rush for 3000 and have 1000 receiving yards.

AJ will have 4000 receiving yards.

After we beat the Cheifs by a record 146 points every team will fear our mighty Texans and petitions the league office to have the games played on xbox on rookie mode.

Nah, I enjoy looking at things objectively. Why does everyone missinterpret my opinion for negative? Is it not possible to be excited (as I am) about the future of this team without recognizing the shortcomings of today? To each their own I suppose.

You're free to disagree but the fact that he's run for more than 1200 yards 2 or 3 times in his career, combined with his age and recent injuries lead me to believe he's not going to get 1200 yards this year. I am not sure he's even going t break 1000 yards.

As for being a fan, I was a fan even when they were calling them the roughnecks, I think you'll see me around for a while.

Mike
 
TexansLucky13 said:
IMO, his running style will allow him to defy time more than most, simply because he doesn't do a lot of fancy stuff. He is smart, he hits the hole quick and punches through anyone that stands in his way. He hasn't lost his instincts. My only concerns would be how many carries he can get in a game.
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Yes avoiding contact for a running back has always lead to shortened careers. Good thing Earl Campbell and Eddie George initiated all that contact or their careers would have been pretty short.

Mike
 
I think it's also important to note that he didn't play much his first few years in the league, and he didn't have those crazy 400 carry seasons like Eddie George or some other guys had. So he has less mileage than many others when they hit 30. I don't expect him to be the 1800 yard back he was in 03, and to be honest, I don't want him to be because that probably means we're relying too much on him and not spelling him enough.

But he can have a good year and make the running game as a whole more effective. Yeah it would be nice to have a 1900 yard, 25 TD, Pro Bowl back who makes all the highlight reels, but it's more important, if less sexy, to have a solid overall running game that keeps defenses honest. I think the trend your seeing in the league towards fewer "feature" backs supports this and I think Green can be part of a great running "team".
 
Originally Posted by Texanmike
Yes he did. And 30 is a bad time for running backs. I was just looking at it and there have been only like 14 guys who were already 30 when the season began that rushed for more than 1000 yards since 1980. Like 5 of those are Curtis Martin. Look for around 1000 if you ask me. Maybe less. YPC (yards per carry if someone is asleep while reading...) is probably the stat to look for.

Mike
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Don't get hung up on that 1000-yd number. The important thing is that we move the chains so the defense has to respect our running attack. If that happens our play-action passing game will be effective and Schaub doesn't have to do 5 & 7 step drops to make the offense work.

And OBTW, all these guys have had productive seasons after the age of 30 - and I didn't have to go back to 1980.
Tiki Barber
Corey Dillon
Fred Taylor
Warrick Dunn
Curtis Martin

Last point - Denver gave Travis Henry a five-year deal while the Jets rewarded Thomas Jones with a four-year contract after acquiring him in a trade with Chicago. Both players will turn 29 this season and each received $12 million in guaranteed cash. Would those teams have paid those kinds of bucks out if they were afraid of 30?

As long as Green and whoever (I'm still hoping its Taylor) are platooned correctly, both guys will stay fresh and our running game will have to be respected.
 
Texanmike said:
Yes avoiding contact for a running back has always lead to shortened careers. Good thing Earl Campbell and Eddie George initiated all that contact or their careers would have been pretty short.

Mike
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I don't think you understood what he was saying...

Backs that rely on quickness and being able to outrun everyone are going to have more trouble being effective when they turn 30 because they are naturally going to lose some of that quickness and speed....

Ahman isn't an Eddie George or Earl Campbell type back so I don't really get your point...

If anything he's closer to Curtis Martin...
 
ObsiWan said:
Don't get hung up on that 1000-yd number. The important thing is that we move the chains so the defense has to respect our running attack. If that happens our play-action passing game will be effective and Schaub doesn't have to do 5 & 7 step drops to make the offense work.

And OBTW, all these guys have had productive seasons after the age of 30 - and I didn't have to go back to 1980.
Tiki Barber
Corey Dillon
Fred Taylor
Warrick Dunn
Curtis Martin

Last point - Denver gave Travis Henry a five-year deal while the Jets rewarded Thomas Jones with a four-year contract after acquiring him in a trade with Chicago. Both players will turn 29 this season and each received $12 million in guaranteed cash. Would those teams have paid those kinds of bucks out if they were afraid of 30?

As long as Green and whoever (I'm still hoping its Taylor) are platooned correctly, both guys will stay fresh and our running game will have to be respected.
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I'm not saying he be a very integral part of an effective running attack. At 30, he's not going to be an every down back if he wants to stay productive. I think 1000 yards is a horrible benchmark anyways (its only 66 yards a game). The fact is though, with few exception rb's tend to lose a step at 30. I have said I think he was the best back in free agency and that I think that he can have a productive year. I'm just responding to people who predict 1200+ yards... I don't see it happening.

Mike
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't think you understood what he was saying...

Backs that rely on quickness and being able to outrun everyone are going to have more trouble being effective when they turn 30 because they are naturally going to lose some of that quickness and speed....

Ahman isn't an Eddie George or Earl Campbell type back so I don't really get your point...

If anything he's closer to Curtis Martin...
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I understood what you were saying, I was being a sarcastic bastard. I apologize :D

Mike:texflag:
 
Vega said:
I think it's also important to note that he didn't play much his first few years in the league, and he didn't have those crazy 400 carry seasons like Eddie George or some other guys had. So he has less mileage than many others when they hit 30. I don't expect him to be the 1800 yard back he was in 03, and to be honest, I don't want him to be because that probably means we're relying too much on him and not spelling him enough.
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To back up what your saying.

Green had 61 carries in 98 and 99 Combined. He played in all 16 games so it isn't like he was hurt.

Also he has only had more than 300 carries twice, in 2001 and 2003.

It's not like he is 33 or 34. He turned 30 five months ago. We aren't looking for him to be around in five years. We just need a couple good years out of him to help us get over the .500 road block.
 
Kubes said last night that he knows what Green can do. He said the other backs will get the reps. if we are going to trust the coaches to choose the O. and D. schemes, we should trust them on their player evaluations until facts prove them wrong. Green is the man, but all the eggs are not in one basket. This is the case at every position, except punter and kicker.
 
eriadoc said:
It's all downhill from about age 30 on. Bone density decreases, maximum lung capacity decreases, organ efficiency decreases, the body starts losing its ability to regenerate cells, and neurological processes slow down. You always hear about how age 30 is bad for athletes - well these are some reasons why.
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This is highly generalized, highly misleading stuff. There is no certain age when all these biological factors suddenly start to decrease. Its a slow and steady decline throughout your entire adult life. There is no magic number for anyone.
 
Overalls said:
To back up what your saying.

Green had 61 carries in 98 and 99 Combined. He played in all 16 games so it isn't like he was hurt.

Also he has only had more than 300 carries twice, in 2001 and 2003.

It's not like he is 33 or 34. He turned 30 five months ago. We aren't looking for him to be around in five years. We just need a couple good years out of him to help us get over the .500 road block.
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And, frankly, WR. If AJ goes down, we are dead
 
gtexan02 said:
And, frankly, WR. If AJ goes down, we are dead
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Actually, though we are not there yet, I think Kubiak is trying to make a team of interchangable parts. That instead of a star system where if one guy goes out, your whole season is screwed.

Don't have the depth to be there yet though.
 
Overalls said:
To back up what your saying.

Green had 61 carries in 98 and 99 Combined. He played in all 16 games so it isn't like he was hurt.

Also he has only had more than 300 carries twice, in 2001 and 2003.

It's not like he is 33 or 34. He turned 30 five months ago. We aren't looking for him to be around in five years. We just need a couple good years out of him to help us get over the .500 road block.
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To back you up on backing him up.

Look at Tiki Barber.. the man didnt really take full load until his fourth season...and excelled after 30. And Fred Taylor? For playing in 9 seasons... the man barely has over 2,000 attempts. He averaged 5.1 yards per carry last season and over 1,000 yards. Warrick Dunn had 4.0 yards per carry and over 1,100 yards and is not far over the 2,000 attemps in his career. Thomas Jones is 30, and I will bet that he has at least 1 or 2 more 1,000 yards seasons in him barring injury considering he only has 1,300 attempts in his entire career.

Sure, getting older definitely hurts. But it also helps and can offset a bit if you did not have a huge load earlier in your career.
 
Texanmike said:
I'm not saying he be a very integral part of an effective running attack. At 30, he's not going to be an every down back if he wants to stay productive. I think 1000 yards is a horrible benchmark anyways (its only 66 yards a game). The fact is though, with few exception rb's tend to lose a step at 30. I have said I think he was the best back in free agency and that I think that he can have a productive year. I'm just responding to people who predict 1200+ yards... I don't see it happening.

Mike
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Well, in that case, I might have to agree with you. Plus, I really don't think that one number is all that important as long as the running game is functional.
 
Texanmike said:
You're right. Allow me to change my predictions:

Schaub becomes the first QB to pass for 6000 yards in a season.

Green becomes the first person to pass for 2000, rush for 3000 and have 1000 receiving yards.

AJ will have 4000 receiving yards.

After we beat the Cheifs by a record 146 points every team will fear our mighty Texans and petitions the league office to have the games played on xbox on rookie mode.

Nah, I enjoy looking at things objectively. Why does everyone missinterpret my opinion for negative? Is it not possible to be excited (as I am) about the future of this team without recognizing the shortcomings of today? To each their own I suppose.

You're free to disagree but the fact that he's run for more than 1200 yards 2 or 3 times in his career, combined with his age and recent injuries lead me to believe he's not going to get 1200 yards this year. I am not sure he's even going t break 1000 yards.

As for being a fan, I was a fan even when they were calling them the roughnecks, I think you'll see me around for a while.

Mike
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I don't want you to go anywhere Mike, I just want you to have some fun. Prolonged negativity is bad. It's obvious that you care.

Most of the people on this board know the uphill battle, there is very little unrealistic optimism.

You have great skills when it comes to stats, use them to show we are improving as a team every now and again.
 
DBCooper said:
I don't want you to go anywhere Mike, I just want you to have some fun. Prolonged negativity is bad. It's obvious that you care.

Most of the people on this board know the uphill battle, there is very little unrealistic optimism.

You have great skills when it comes to stats, use them to show we are improving as a team every now and again.
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That's the thing though. I think we have improved tremendously. Unfortunately that's hard to prove right now because the data just isn't there yet. As "negative" as I am, I'm so upbeat. I think its going to be amazing really. We're going to get to watch some very exciting players grow up here. But I was around for 05, and people were HYPED up. At first it was like a riot. Then it was like a wasteland. I even drank the kool aid. Then I went back and looked at the previous season. Really looking at it. And we were in a bad way all around. Statistically speaking, fundamentally. The Cleveland game wasn't the beginning, it was the end.

I think though, that this team is different. You can see a definite pattern in both drafting and FA signing. You can see a vision. Bring young guys in and have vets to mentor them. You didn't see that with the previous regime.

Mike
 
Texanmike said:
I think though, that this team is different. You can see a definite pattern in both drafting and FA signing. You can see a vision. Bring young guys in and have vets to mentor them. You didn't see that with the previous regime.
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I'm not even sure Casserly knew what "mentor" means. :bat:
 
Texanmike said:
That's the thing though. I think we have improved tremendously. Unfortunately that's hard to prove right now because the data just isn't there yet. As "negative" as I am, I'm so upbeat. I think its going to be amazing really. We're going to get to watch some very exciting players grow up here. But I was around for 05, and people were HYPED up. At first it was like a riot. Then it was like a wasteland. I even drank the kool aid. Then I went back and looked at the previous season. Really looking at it. And we were in a bad way all around. Statistically speaking, fundamentally. The Cleveland game wasn't the beginning, it was the end.

I think though, that this team is different. You can see a definite pattern in both drafting and FA signing. You can see a vision. Bring young guys in and have vets to mentor them. You didn't see that with the previous regime.

Mike
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I agree, this team is different.

I don't see Green as the long term solution (like someone else pointed out), but he definitely is an upgrade. We also need some young guys to step up and make sure we have the depth if anything were to happen to Green.
 
brakos82 said:
I'm not even sure Casserly knew what "mentor" means. :bat:
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Heck no he didn't or he wouldn't have dismantled the experience base we had in our '04 team - "no players over 30", that has got to be the "stupidest thing I've ever heard an NFL GM say.
 
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