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NFL Searches China for Its Own Yao Ming
- Thread starter Wolf
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chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Great. The NFL really needs a physically soft, over-rated and passive player too.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
The Texans already had one...and David Carr isn't even Chinese.
R
real
Guest
ha..
If you are implying that yao ming is any of those, I suggest you watch 1 basketball game and then return here.
If you are suggesting that all Chinese are all of those, I suggest you take a step back and try and realize how ignorant trying to stereotype billions of people is
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Well I've never seen a 7'5 center get dunked on with so much regularity. I've never seen a 7'5 center get boxed out with so much regularity. I'm not suggesting a Chinese can't play, but if he was the best they had too offer I can only hope that they produce someone better. And don't say "But he has a nice shot. He's a center he should control the paint. That's like saying Reggie Bush is a great receiver, problem is he's supposed to be a running back. I'm saying Yao is terrible, but he ain't all that.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I guess you never watched Chuck Nevitt???
R
real
Guest
Getting Dunked on and boxed out is how you judge how valuable a player is ?
lol....
Nevermind the fact that he's one of the most efficient scorer's in the leauge and his mere presence on defense keeps opposing offenses from having their way in the lane...
Let's just call him sorry because he's been the victim of some sports center highlights...
I suppose you'd rather have a guy like Eric Dampier...Or maybe even a Ben Wallace...
Brando
Hall of Fame
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Was he a Number 1 overall pick too? Didn't think so.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Yao does not dominate the paint. I don't see it. I don't want Dampier, but it looks like a guy like Boozer can handle this "dominant" force with relative ease.
R
real
Guest
No Yao doesn't dominate the paint...
But he's not a total beotch in the paint either...
He's either the 1st or 2nd best center in the leauge depending on your cup-o-tea....
And Boozer is a really good player but he cannot guard Yao one on one.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I just responded to your question. Your question didnt ask about being a #1.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Dude Yao is the best center in the league today, get off of it...... You want to talk about soft. See the entire eastern conference.... thats soft.
BTW...Yao pulled down the same amount of boards as Wallace, he's a 25 and 10 player, go look how many of those play in this league and get back with me.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
there you go again...trying to inject logic into this. whatsamotta you?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
25 and 10 is not overrated....... go look how many of those there are.
People that say Yao is overrated don't know anything about basketball and just don't realize what they've got.
People that say Yao is overrated don't know anything about basketball and just don't realize what they've got.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I don't go as far as chicagotexan in my disdain for Yao, but this argument is really damning with faint praise. Yao is probably the best center in the NBA (especially pre-injury last year), but that's kind of like being the best-behaved kid in detention. There aren't many solid centers anymore.
Yao disappears when he shouldn't and plays soft when he shouldn't. Yeah, he gets his points and rebounds, but hey, Carr led the league in pass completion percentage. Yay. And Yao sucks at rebounding, really, when you consider how big he is and where he plays.
All that said, I like Yao, and I think he will continue to improve and dispel some of these arguments against him. He's a lot better than chicagotexan gives him credit for, IMO.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yao is not the greatest rebounder and he doesn't have the footspeed to be a great defender. Everybody likes to bash the guy and say "for a 7'5 guy, he isn't this, or for a 7'5 guy he isn't that, or he's soft."
When in reality Yao's size makes him clumsy, he would actually be a much better defender and rebounder if he was like 3 or 4 inches shorter, because he would be able to MOVE.
Another thing that has hurt Yao is the lack of a banger PF to keep big bodies off Yao. Yao gets beat up in the paint, because again there is no PF presence on the team. (atleast last year there wasn't) Even the great Olajuwon had Otis Thorpe. (no I'm not comparing Yao to Olajuwon, just saying many people don't realize how much not having a PF really is hampering Yao. A good PF is a Center's best friend. It keeps big bodies off of him, making him a better defender, and keeps him out of foul trouble.)
Wolf
100% Texan
i like yao, but I wonder, is he a "take over guy" I remember being in the teens and listening to ktrh on the radio at night and them talking about late in the 4th quarter, it was going to their go to man, (akeem) , I honestly admit I don't listen to the radio now, but I wonder if we are talking about the same type of thing.. down the stretch (back then) rockets would feed akeem all day long. I don't see many games but does Yao command that now)
awtysst
Draft Guru
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Its kinda apples and oranges. Tmac is more of that guy.
That is however another thing that I think that hurts Yao with this city. This city was spoiled by Hakeem. The chances that Houston will ever have another top 5 league history center play for them is slim and none.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
A point that needs to be considered is how much the league has changed in its rules. When Hakeem played it was a strict Man-to-Man defense only, except for Seattle which often got away with illegal defense during George Karl's reign there, but now teams are allowed to play some Zone defense, although they also must contend with the Defensive 3-second rule as well.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
The NFL searches for another Yao Ming purely from a market presence to sell more widgets, whether that be more apparel or more content. This is a different story than Yao the player.
Yao's issues that I saw in 1997 are the ones any scout who saw him were concerned with down the road - strays from the basket, does not go and get rebounds, plays at a speed that may not be conducive to his 14 team mates and coaching staff and the biggest one being the doubt that he could carry a team and/or work well with a strong #2, due to cap implications.
Anyone comparing Hakeem to Yao is on virtual crack as they are two different athletes with different strengths and weaknesses.
Yao's issues that I saw in 1997 are the ones any scout who saw him were concerned with down the road - strays from the basket, does not go and get rebounds, plays at a speed that may not be conducive to his 14 team mates and coaching staff and the biggest one being the doubt that he could carry a team and/or work well with a strong #2, due to cap implications.
Anyone comparing Hakeem to Yao is on virtual crack as they are two different athletes with different strengths and weaknesses.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
I agree, Hakeem and Yao are very different.
R
real
Guest
Yao is what he is...
He's no Hakeem, or any other great center, but he is a very good player...
He's no Hakeem, or any other great center, but he is a very good player...
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
2 years ago he was one of only 4 players in the league to average 20/10. Probably would have been among a handful to do it again this past season had he not missed 30+ games. He's about as automatic as it gets when he shoots the ball, 52% FG 82% FT.
He plays for Houston where the bar on centers has been raised about as high as it goes in the history of the league, so yeah, he's probably going to fall a little short of that. But even if he never reaches those heights it doesn't mean he can't be a great player in this league. And if he could just stay on the floor for a full season, that would sure help him get there.
If you're going to compare him his whole career to Dream, then he'll probably never get the respect he deserves.
He plays for Houston where the bar on centers has been raised about as high as it goes in the history of the league, so yeah, he's probably going to fall a little short of that. But even if he never reaches those heights it doesn't mean he can't be a great player in this league. And if he could just stay on the floor for a full season, that would sure help him get there.
If you're going to compare him his whole career to Dream, then he'll probably never get the respect he deserves.