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And we need all the high draft picks we can get - that's for sure. With Payne's latest injury and all the problems we have on O-line, what's the
top priority, O-line or D-line ?
 
nunusguy said:
And we need all the high draft picks we can get - that's for sure. With Payne's latest injury and all the problems we have on O-line, what's the
top priority, O-line or D-line ?
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O-Line is a more pressing need but we'll probably pass on a 1st round OL selection...Chances are we either take Thomas Davis, SS, Georgia or Marcus Spears, DE, LSU...
 
Not really good news since this is such a thin draft. We will end up paying more for same talent.
 
Guess a higher draft pick is one way to see the positive in this. Not sure how many people did get to see the Browns play before this, but IMO the are a BAD team, not just average, but BAD.

Hopefully things improve quite a bit next year, I'm not sure continually getting younger with high draft picks will do us much good. I also think the clock is starting to tick on some of out Vets, would mind seeing a pick or two traded for a Vet we could use.

Anyway, best to you all in the New Year.
 
Texans Pride said:
Can someone tell me who has to loose for us to get the 12th pick?
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If any of these win... It improves us....

Rams
Chiefs
Panthers - Lost
Bengals - Won
Saints - Won
 
Dime said:
If any of these win... It improves us....

Rams
Chiefs
Panthers - Lost
Bengals - Won
Saints - Won
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So since the Panthers lost the highest draft pick we can get will be 13th now? Is that correct, or did the Panther loss put us at the 12th?

Thanks for the info Dime
 
Makechangesnow said:
Better start looking for an NFL QB instead of a cutesy hair boy...
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That cutesy boy has gotten his *** kicked for three yrs and had gotten back up every time, gotten better every year and has led his team to wins every year. Not sure why I even wasted my time replying to your comments. Oh well.
 
Texans Pride said:
So since the Panthers lost the highest draft pick we can get will be 13th now? Is that correct, or did the Panther loss put us at the 12th?

Thanks for the info Dime
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Have to compare records since they are even with us. Checking on the official rule.
 
phan1 said:
I'd rather look for an O-lineman in free agency. Maybe we could land someone big?
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Only if we get someone great like Jones, no more weigert's and wade's that doesn't seem to be working out. I don't mind them, but they're not great.
 
Currently (NOT OFFICIAL) , we are setting at pick 12 or 13... We are tied only with Carolina.. and strength of schedule is the same, looking for nest level. All other games wont matter.
 
fresno8 said:
Only if we get someone great like Jones, no more weigert's and wade's that doesn't seem to be working out. I don't mind them, but they're not great.
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I realize Pitts has more of a guard's build, but I think he did a good job outside. Wasn't really thrilled when they moved him.
 
Well, the Rams just won their game.

So does that move us up another spot in the draft?

ETA - I get confused with the way the draft works....
 
fresno8 said:
That cutesy boy has gotten his *** kicked for three yrs and had gotten back up every time, gotten better every year and has led his team to wins every year. Not sure why I even wasted my time replying to your comments. Oh well.
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Like it or not, Carr has regressed the second half of this season. His decision making has been questionable at best. There's nothing wrong with looking for a franchise quarterback. Carr is nothing better than average. If he is a franchise QB please provide something to back this up other than the fact that he has been sacked a bunch and still plays the games.
 
the wonger need food said:
Like it or not, Carr has regressed the second half of this season. His decision making has been questionable at best. There's nothing wrong with looking for a franchise quarterback. Carr is nothing better than average. If he is a franchise QB please provide something to back this up other than the fact that he has been sacked a bunch and still plays the games.
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Yeah I'll do that as soon as you provide something to back up why we should get rid of him.
 
Currently... We are either pick 12 or 13... No other games matter. We are tied with the Panthers. Strength of Schedule is the same, I am trying to find the next level so we can find out if we are pick 12 or 13.

Anyone know the rule past Strength of schedule?
 
AndreJ said:
Yeah I'll do that as soon as you provide something to back up why we should get rid of him.
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Other then the underthrown passes, and the sidearming balls, but what about his descision making...
 
Dime said:
Currently (NOT OFFICIAL) , we are setting at pick 12 or 13... We are tied only with jacksonville.. and strength of schedule is the same, looking for nest level. All other games wont matter.
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How are we tied with Jacksonville.....We are 7-9, and they are 8-7 right now, if they loose today then they will be 8-9, but still a better record than us.
 
Texans Pride said:
How are we tied with Jacksonville.....We are 7-9, and they are 8-7 right now, if they loose today then they will be 8-9, but still a better record than us.
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My bad... I meant Carolina....
 
Dime said:
Other then the underthrown passes, and the sidearming balls, but what about his descision making...
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I don't care who the QB is (with the exception of Vick), but if you put just about any other QB in the leauge with the pressure Carr gets, I'm pretty sure there throws and decision making wouldn't be all that great either. The man needs some pass protection. I can't stress that enough. The run blocking has been Ok. But the pass protection SUCKS. They've got to figure out someway to get him some time in the pocket.

Im not trying to say that he doesn't make mistakes, but good lord someone earlier said that we should maybe look at BJ. Why,? so he can set another sack record with the Texans.

As for sidearming balls, thats his throwig motion where the hell have you been.
 
Dime said:
Currently... We are either pick 12 or 13... No other games matter. We are tied with the Panthers. Strength of Schedule is the same, I am trying to find the next level so we can find out if we are pick 12 or 13.
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Thanks Dime.
 
the wonger need food said:
I never said to get rid of him. He is an average QB which would make a great backup.
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Avg. QB? You've gotta be ****tin me. Mark Brunell, Bryan Griese, and who else..... Jay Fiedler are avg. QB's give me a break. I think you've been watching to many Indy games and thinking everyone should be just as good as peyton. Wake up and smell the coffee for crying out loud. There are plenty of teams who I'm sure would love to have Carr.

Great Backup. LoL duhh. he's a good QB :listening
 
I believe we are currently 13th, with a chance to move up to the 12th pick, if Dallas wins against the Giants tonight. We'd have the same record, but should win the 12th pick by just a couple of winning percentage points.
 
AndreJ said:
I don't care who the QB is (with the exception of Vick), but if you put just about any other QB in the leauge with the pressure Carr gets, I'm pretty sure there throws and decision making wouldn't be all that great either. The man needs some pass protection. I can't stress that enough. The run blocking has been Ok. But the pass protection SUCKS. They've got to figure out someway to get him some time in the pocket.

Im not trying to say that he doesn't make mistakes, but good lord someone earlier said that we should maybe look at BJ. Why,? so he can set another sack record with the Texans.

As for sidearming balls, thats his throwig motion where the hell have you been.
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Where have I been... Amazing..

1. I don't care who the QB is (with the exception of Vick), but if you put just about any other QB in the leauge with the pressure Carr gets, I'm pretty sure there throws and decision making wouldn't be all that great either. Yes... he is rushed, but Carr is NOT as good as most of the starters in the league when being rushed. The O-line is mainly responsible for this, but Carr does not do well when rushed most of the time. He has had his exceptions.

2. As for sidearming balls, thats his throwig motion where the hell have you been. Actually, where have you been??? This throwing motion was not his main delivery stance last year and just started this year with POOR results. He has been questioned on it since people notice it is not helping. You are admitting this is a problem, so you think this is ok apparently. Name another good QB out there that does a sidearm delievery constantly and is good about it... I dont think you can.
 
the wonger need food said:
Like it or not, Carr has regressed the second half of this season. His decision making has been questionable at best. There's nothing wrong with looking for a franchise quarterback. Carr is nothing better than average. If he is a franchise QB please provide something to back this up other than the fact that he has been sacked a bunch and still plays the games.
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I have been saying since about the middle of the season that he is going to be an inconsistent player. Even when he has time he does not make good decisions regularly enough. Fill in your favorite up and down QB, Collins or Plummer or whoever, and I think you can add Carr to the list.

Since Banks is a FA, I am thinking that the Texans need to sign a veteran QB to be back-up. Unless Ragone or Symmons is progressing better than I suspect, there need to be a QB capable of playing. Honestly, the guy we played today is what I am thinking about.
 
AndreJ said:
I don't care who the QB is (with the exception of Vick), but if you put just about any other QB in the leauge with the pressure Carr gets, I'm pretty sure there throws and decision making wouldn't be all that great either. The man needs some pass protection. I can't stress that enough. The run blocking has been Ok. But the pass protection SUCKS. They've got to figure out someway to get him some time in the pocket.

Im not trying to say that he doesn't make mistakes, but good lord someone earlier said that we should maybe look at BJ. Why,? so he can set another sack record with the Texans.

As for sidearming balls, thats his throwig motion where the hell have you been.
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We all know that the line is horrible, but why not challenge Carr to play better? He seems too content right now and that's because he is in no danger of losing his job. You saw how he actually made an effort to get upfield after getting boo'ed today. Bring someone else in to challenge him for his job and maybe we'll see that kind of effort and fire on every play. I am sick and tired of seeing him roll to right and running out of bounds every time there is a hint of pressure.

If there is anyone on this board that thinks Carr is as good as it gets you're myopic. There are good QB's coming out of college every year. I'm not saying that Carr can't take this team to a championship, maybe he can and I hope he does. But let's not sit back and wait for it. If there is a better QB available why not try to get him on this team?
 
Dime said:
2. As for sidearming balls, thats his throwig motion where the hell have you been. Actually, where have you been??? This throwing motion was not his main delivery stance last year and just started this year with POOR results. He has been questioned on it since people notice it is not helping. You are admitting this is a problem, so you think this is ok apparently. Name another good QB out there that does a sidearm delievery constantly and is good about it... I dont think you can.
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Maybe I'm blind, but i've never seen Carr stand in the pocket and throw a sidearmed ball. The only time i've seen this is with him running out of the pocket.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Since Banks is a FA, I am thinking that the Texans need to sign a veteran QB to be back-up.
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I agree... I think we need a vet to come in to help Carr in his progression. I think Carr is going to be a great QB, but it seems to me a bunch of talk might have went to his head, and he needs someone to guide him into better decisions.
 
AndreJ said:
Maybe I'm blind, but i've never seen Carr stand in the pocket and throw a sidearmed ball. The only time i've seen this is with him running out of the pocket.
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Get a Tivo.
 
AndreJ said:
Avg. QB? You've gotta be ****tin me. Mark Brunell, Bryan Griese, and who else..... Jay Fiedler are avg. QB's give me a break. I think you've been watching to many Indy games and thinking everyone should be just as good as peyton. Wake up and smell the coffee for crying out loud. There are plenty of teams who I'm sure would love to have Carr.

Great Backup. LoL duhh. he's a good QB :listening
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And there are a lot of QB's out there that the Texans would like to have. Like I said he is average. He's not great and he is not terrible, he's average.
 
the wonger need food said:
We all know that the line is horrible, but why not challenge Carr to play better? He seems too content right now and that's because he is in no danger of losing his job. You saw how he actually made an effort to get upfield after getting boo'ed today. Bring someone else in to challenge him for his job and maybe we'll see that kind of effort and fire on every play. I am sick and tired of seeing him roll to right and running out of bounds every time there is a hint of pressure.

If there is anyone on this board that thinks Carr is as good as it gets you're myopic. There are good QB's coming out of college every year. I'm not saying that Carr can't take this team to a championship, maybe he can and I hope he does. But let's not sit back and wait for it. If there is a better QB available why not try to get him on this team?
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I see what you're saying now and i agree with you i don't have a problem with that. Kind of how Drew Brees did with the Chargers this year. But at the same time i dont think we should draft another QB. Banks will be a FA this offseason and if he doesn't come back maybe they'll grab an above avg. QB
 
the wonger need food said:
And there are a lot of QB's out there that the Texans would like to have. Like I said he is average. He's not great and he is not terrible, he's average.
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I do believe he can be better, but he, I feel, doesnt have anyone helping him in progression.
 
the wonger need food said:
Like it or not, Carr has regressed the second half of this season. His decision making has been questionable at best. There's nothing wrong with looking for a franchise quarterback. Carr is nothing better than average. If he is a franchise QB please provide something to back this up other than the fact that he has been sacked a bunch and still plays the games.
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Even if Carr isn't the long term answer there is nobody in the draft that would be a better option and there are MUCH bigger needs than a QB. If the Texans use a 1st pick on another QB they are setting themselves back 3 more years. I can't think of a QB in the league, heck in history, that could do anything without protection.

The left side of the O-Line needs to be fixed. Pitts is a solid backup, but average as a starter. Wand is, well, a project.
 
Dime said:
Where have I been... Amazing..

. Yes... he is rushed, but Carr is NOT as good as most of the starters in the league when being rushed. The O-line is mainly responsible for this, but Carr does not do well when rushed most of the time. He has had his exceptions.
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The difference between the Texans and the rest of the league is 4 linemen(not blitzes) are consistently destroying us in max protect. 4 guys are beating our 7. Carr has three guys to throw to and the majority of the time they haven't even completed their routes. You might say throw slants and quick routes or throw to the tight end but this is not open because they have seven guys in coverage. Carr will be fine when our offensive line play improves.
 
Let's see...most of our running yards come going to the left side, fewer penalties (at LT) and fewer sacks than the middle and right, but that is the side that needs to be replaced? The middle (C) and RG need work no doubt, but the left? The interesting thing about the running yards to the left is that Wade at RT is the one that was supposed to be the best at run blocking when we brought him in yet that isn't the side we tend to run to.
 
edo783 said:
Let's see...most of our running yards come going to the left side, fewer penalties (at LT) and fewer sacks than the middle and right, but that is the side that needs to be replaced? The middle (C) and RG need work no doubt, but the left? The interesting thing about the running yards to the left is that Wade at RT is the one that was supposed to be the best at run blocking when we brought him in yet that isn't the side we tend to run to.
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I had the same thoughts. I was surprised when everyone was complaining about the left side. After looking decent in Jacksonsville, Milford Brown was clueless today. Our starters may be ok with time, but once a backup is in the game we are toast. I thought our talent level was better than last year. Maybe we need a line coach for pass blocking. I wouldn't be surprised to see some moves with the assistant coaches in the off season.
 
you guys are not being very smart. first we need to draft a running back now you want a new qb. i guess we could draft a qb in the first and a rb in the second and let them challange carr and dd behind the worst oline in the league. that would be interesting. then in three years we could do it all over again. or maybe we could fix the oline problem first and see how good the guys we have are. then if they dont play well we can talk about replacing them.
 
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