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Power Rankings, I disagree obviously.

Hervoyel

BUENO!
Yes, of course i know that the ESPN Power Rankings mean nothing. As I've said before it's just part of my Tuesday routine during the season. It's also become routine to see the Texans get shanked but this week it's pretty bad. The 21-0 win over the Jaguars moved us from, get this #19 to... #19. We went absolutely nowhere according to these knuckleheads. Jacksonville on the other hand dropped from their overrated #9 spot to #12.

Complete rubbish. You can apparently beat a team twice in a convincing fashion and their one additional win merits ranking them 7 spots higher? I notice the Chiefs are also 4 spots ahead of us according to ESPN despite having the exact same record and a loss to the Texans this year.

I wonder if they'll have Jacksonville ranked higher than the Texans next week if/when we're both 8-8?
 
stupid power rankings mean little. They rank which ever team they like better higher. I'm guessing they are all saying our wins over jacksonville are all flukes ! I still feel a lack of respect here :hmmm: guess we'll have to win the superbowl before we get recognized as a contender
 

Bayern

Waterboy
Ahhh... this isn't really anything new. ESPN gives Houston the shaft alot it seems. I think its particularly odd that the 7-8 Panthers are put in the 11th spot. :hmmm:
 

TheOgre

All Pro
I think there are a lot of teams lumped in the middle. It is hard to differentiate between them. We drew the short straw.
 

LBC_Justin

Rookie
Bayern said:
Ahhh... this isn't really anything new. ESPN gives Houston the shaft alot it seems. I think its particularly odd that the 7-8 Panthers are put in the 11th spot. :hmmm:
The Panthers are 6-1 in their last 7 games so they have a hot hand and deserve some praise for turning it around.

But LMAO..... The Jags are a garbage team. They are so overrated it is not even funny.

The Texans maybe could be a few spots higher.

But like the rest of you I am praying the Texans beat the Browns and the Jags lose to the Raiders. (Oh it would be so great to see the Texans ranked higher than the Jaguars.)
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Well you are really going to hate CBS's power rankings then:

Link

Somehow winning against a "better" team moved the Hags down from 8 to 13 AND moved the Texans down from 17 to 20. Yeah, that makes sense.
 
LBC_Justin said:
But LMAO..... The Jags are a garbage team. They are so overrated it is not even funny.
A few bad games and we are overrated? What happened when you played Denver, and what happened when we played them? How bout Indy in Indy? Green Bay? Must be nice to see us twice in a year, both with our two best offensive players hurt. :rolleyes:
 

Sarg01

Veteran
jagsfanincanada said:
A few bad games and we are overrated? What happened when you played Denver, and what happened when we played them? How bout Indy in Indy? Green Bay? Must be nice to see us twice in a year, both with our two best offensive players hurt. :rolleyes:
No, you were overrated before the season began (anyone remember the "this year's Panthers" talk?) and have remained overrated since.
 

Nawzer

Alienz
Even though I pay little attention to power rankings and whatnot, I am surprised to see the Texans didn't move up a few spots. We are better than some of these teams in the NFC who will make the playoffs, so I don't know why we didn't climb up in the ESPN poll's. But whatever..all I'm concerned about is the Browns this week.
 

Sco-tai

Waterboy
infantrycak said:
Well you are really going to hate CBS's power rankings then:

Link

Somehow winning against a "better" team moved the Hags down from 8 to 13 AND moved the Texans down from 17 to 20. Yeah, that makes sense.
I just don't get it. Sure, these things don't mean anything. But it's a great measuring tool to see how the national media respects the teams.
HOW DOES A TEAM shut out a team that is viewed (according to said media) as a TOP 10 TEAM, and then slip down 3 spots!? :loser

I believe an honest ranking would put us right in the middle. We can beat anyone any week...and are also capable of laying bad performances like in Denver. But to drop us 3 slots after we performed the way we did against the Jags is a complete joke.

Even if we smoke the Browns and end the season on a 3 game win-streak, I can bet the only coverage on the Texans this summer will simply say "This is the 4th year for Capers, now or never". In stead of looking at the job Capers & crew have done since 2002 and seeing that the plan is right on schedule.

:thud:
 
Sarg01 said:
No, you were overrated before the season began (anyone remember the "this year's Panthers" talk?) and have remained overrated since.
And David Carr has been overrated since his first snap (anyone remember the "this is his breakout year" talk?), and has remained overrated since.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
jagsfanincanada said:
And David Carr has been overrated since his first snap (anyone remember the "this is his breakout year" talk?), and has remained overrated since.
Except of course when he's beating the spots off of the Jaguars right?
 

Sarg01

Veteran
jagsfanincanada said:
And David Carr has been overrated since his first snap (anyone remember the "this is his breakout year" talk?), and has remained overrated since.
Umm ...

David Carr's stats
2002 HOU 16 16 233 444 52.5 2592 5.8 9 81 15 62.8
2003 HOU 12 11 167 295 56.6 2013 6.8 9 78 13 69.5
2004 HOU 15 15 271 442 61.3 3425 7.7 15 69 14 83.6

5% better completion rate, 900 more yards, 6 more TDs for the same number of INTs and 14 more points of passer rating is a pretty darn good improvement for the year.

His stats (completion %, TDs, passer rating) are nearly identical to media-golden-boy-Leftwich's apart from Carr getting nearly one full extra yard per attempt.
 

TheOgre

All Pro
One of the reasons that we are not ranked higher is that we cannot beat good teams. The Jags (8-7) are the only team with a winning record that we have beaten all year. Even that will change if they lose to the Raiders. If we want respect, we need to finish off games like the ones against the Vikings, Packers, Chargers, and Colts (the home game). Those came down to the end and we blew it.
 

Fiddy

All Pro
infantrycak said:
Well you are really going to hate CBS's power rankings then:

Link

Somehow winning against a "better" team moved the Hags down from 8 to 13 AND moved the Texans down from 17 to 20. Yeah, that makes sense.
Doesnt surprise me. Prisco is from Florida and has been on the Jags bandwagon form the start of the season. He doesnt give any credit to a team that beats the Jags...
 
I remember earlier in the year when they were ranked as high as 12 in the foxsports.com power ranking. Realistically, they are probably the 15 or 16th best team right now.

Hey Jagoff fan, shouldn't you be on the Raiders board annoying them this week? You guys just can't get beat down enough I guess.
 
jags fans still talking mess, i mean come on havent they learned by now ? I wonder if their message board is as empty as their stadium, if so no wonder they hang around here :heh:
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
This kind of stuff is so subjective. I really don't think they are that far off really. I think the Ogre hit the nail on the head. We beat the bad teams, and with the exception of Jax, we got killed by the good teams for the most part. I think Jax rating should be mid teens, and I think the Texans around 17-21 makes sense. If the Texans want to be respected by the national media, they should think about shellacking a team like the Bolts. Respect must be earned.
 
Hervoyel said:
Except of course when he's beating the spots off of the Jaguars right?
Domanick Davis, our shtty tackling and our shtty offense beat us. I'd hardly csll throwing for 130 yards and 2 picks beating the spots off us.

Sarg01 said:
Umm ...

David Carr's stats
2002 HOU 16 16 233 444 52.5 2592 5.8 9 81 15 62.8
2003 HOU 12 11 167 295 56.6 2013 6.8 9 78 13 69.5
2004 HOU 15 15 271 442 61.3 3425 7.7 15 69 14 83.6

5% better completion rate, 900 more yards, 6 more TDs for the same number of INTs and 14 more points of passer rating is a pretty darn good improvement for the year.

His stats (completion %, TDs, passer rating) are nearly identical to media-golden-boy-Leftwich's apart from Carr getting nearly one full extra yard per attempt.
If you want to call 15 tds to 14 ints a breakout season, you go right ahead.

Also, remember Leftwich is in his 2nd year, Carr his 3rd. Let's see what Leftwich does next year.
 

Fiddy

All Pro
TexansTrueFan said:
jags fans still talking mess, i mean come on havent they learned by now ? I wonder if their message board is as empty as their stadium, if so no wonder they hang around here :heh:
No, people are at their board. They are talking about Reggie Williams being 21 years of age and thats why he is struggling and how Leftwich isnt as good as advertised. Mass hysteria. I love it.
 

Dime

Veteran
jagsfanincanada said:
Domanick Davis, our shtty tackling and our shtty offense beat us. QUOTE]

Ok... Did I miss something here... Bevis (thats you Jagsfanincanada) just told us his team has ummmm poor defense (tackling) and poor offense... He is basicly agreeing we are the better team this year.... he has seen the light.

Congrats Jagsfanincanada, you have passed the test of reality. Good Job!


Oh, Fred was out excuse dont cut it btw. He is one man and he does not make your entire team... We had Coleman, and a few others out... We are not yelling "If Coleman would have been in, you would have lost 40 to 0." Quoting Rumsfield here - You go to battle with what you have. You did... you lost.... Game and discussion OVER>
 

Sarg01

Veteran
jagsfanincanada said:
If you want to call 15 tds to 14 ints a breakout season, you go right ahead.

Also, remember Leftwich is in his 2nd year, Carr his 3rd. Let's see what Leftwich does next year.
You're forgetting the Texans also have 15 rushing TDs to go with the Jags 8. Our backs just get a greater share of the TDs than J-villes, that's not Carr's fault.
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
Nawzer said:
Even though I pay little attention to power rankings and whatnot, I am surprised to see the Texans didn't move up a few spots. We are better than some of these teams in the NFC who will make the playoffs, so I don't know why we didn't climb up in the ESPN poll's. But whatever..all I'm concerned about is the Browns this week.
There's the biggest reason we're not ranked higher. Too many teams in the NFC that have a chance at the playoffs but are not actually better than us. We should be ahead of like 4 of those teams and we should be like 15th or 16th. The Jaguars could have been ranked below us, but I don't really think we should complain about the fact that they're not. They've played a lot better than we have against other teams in general. We just have their number right now.
 
Fiddy said:
No, people are at their board. They are talking about Reggie Williams being 21 years of age and thats why he is struggling and how Leftwich isnt as good as advertised. Mass hysteria. I love it.
Our board is always like that. It really sucks, truth be told.

Sarg01 said:
Ok... Did I miss something here... Bevis (thats you Jagsfanincanada) just told us his team has ummmm poor defense (tackling) and poor offense... He is basicly agreeing we are the better team this year.... he has seen the light.

Congrats Jagsfanincanada, you have passed the test of reality. Good Job!


Oh, Fred was out excuse dont cut it btw. He is one man and he does not make your entire team... We had Coleman, and a few others out... We are not yelling "If Coleman would have been in, you would have lost 40 to 0." Quoting Rumsfield here - You go to battle with what you have. You did... you lost.... Game and discussion OVER>
For that game, absolutely you were the better team. Same with the previous game. You handed us our asses. But you will not convince me your team is better than ours overall. Like you, we lack consistency. But when you can hold Peyton to less than 5 tds at home, come talk to me about being a better team through and through.

Also, if you don't think Taylor being out didn't affect the game, I don't know what to say. I don't think we would have necessarily won had he been in because of Leftwich's bad play, but if definitely affected the game, much more so than your free safety being out.

I also love the irony that when you guys lose last year 27-0, it's all because of injuries to Carr and Davis. But when we lack Taylor and have a gimpy Leftwich for both games this year, injuries aren't an excuse. How convenient.

HJam72 said:
The Jaguars could have been ranked below us, but I don't really think we should complain about the fact that they're not. They've played a lot better than we have against other teams in general. We just have their number right now.
THANK YOU! :D
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
Ya know, it really does tick me off though that we just won (no, demolished actually) 2 games in a row that we were supposed to lose, according a lot to our rankings by the way, and we are ranked either the same now or worse, depending on which rank list you look at. That's terrible. They need to stop giving NFC teams so much credit just for not having better competition in their divisions.
 

Chance_C

All Pro
because of Leftwich's bad play
Leftwich's bad play (and I like Leftwich) was caused by the Texans' defense. Fred Taylor being out definately hurt the Jags on sunday, as it will on any Sunday. Also, the reason he was out against us the first meeting was because we knocked him out.


But when you can hold Peyton to less than 5 tds at home, come talk to me about being a better team through and through
Try two the last meeting. Not bragging about the game, because we still lost. But, he threw two in the first quarter. As a matter of fact, that was the last TD our defense has allowed. 11 1/2 quarters without a TD allowed. Get back to me about being a better team through and through when you can do that .
 

gwallaia

Moderator
Staff member
jagsfanincanada said:
I also love the irony that when you guys lose last year 27-0, it's all because of injuries to Carr and Davis. But when we lack Taylor and have a gimpy Leftwich for both games this year, injuries aren't an excuse. How convenient.
Its ironic that you post the word irony. After the Texans defeated the Jags 24-20 last season. Your fellow Jaguars fans blamed it on Jacksonville injuries and how Leftwich was starting his first NFL game.

Easy come, easy go.
 
Chance_C said:
Leftwich's bad play (and I like Leftwich) was caused by the Texans' defense. Fred Taylor being out definately hurt the Jags on sunday, as it will on any Sunday. Also, the reason he was out against us the first meeting was because we knocked him out.
It was caused by a concussion. Leftwich was missing wide open guys. Both times he missed Jimmy Smith, Smith was open. And for fans who ceaselessly rip us for being thugs, cheap, etc, you seem awfully proud of hurting Leftwich.


Chance_C said:
Try two the last meeting. Not bragging about the game, because we still lost. But, he threw two in the first quarter. As a matter of fact, that was the last TD our defense has allowed. 11 1/2 quarters without a TD allowed. Get back to me about being a better team through and through when you can do that .
The Colts have not scored more than 24 points the last 5 times they have played us. If only your team could say the same. Also, at the beginning of the year our defense went through a similar stretch without giving up a TD (1st quarter of the Buffalo game to the 4th quarter of the Tennessee game).

gwalaia said:
Its ironic that you post the word irony. After the Texans defeated the Jags 24-20 last season. Your fellow Jaguars fans blamed it on Jacksonville injuries and how Leftwich was starting his first NFL game.

Easy come, easy go.
Meh, other fans might have blamed that loss on injuries, but I definitely didn't. We just lost a hard fought game on the last play.
 

ledzeppelin229

Hall of Fame
jagsfanincanada said:
I also love the irony that when you guys lose last year 27-0, it's all because of injuries to Carr and Davis. But when we lack Taylor and have a gimpy Leftwich for both games this year, injuries aren't an excuse. How convenient.
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I would take it as an excuse, no problem, except for the fact we tried the same thing when our guys were missing and the Jags would have none of it. We were only missing:

QBs Carr and Banks
RBs Davis and Mack
DL Payne and Walker (and some backups)
CB Glenn
OLB Clemons
FB Baxter (He was starting early but was overtaken by Norris during his injury)

So between our ragtag of defensive journeymen, our 3rd string rookie QB and 3 string rookie RB coming off an ACL tear/and surgery, we lost 27-0.

We tried saying "But look at all our injuries! We stood almost no chance!"

Jaguars: "No, no sireebob, Houston is just full of excuses! Always them excuses with them 'Texicans'.

and then there was:
"This is the NFL, you have to be ready to play despite injuries, because every team gets injuries and you have to just play through them! That means the Slackjaws were the better team today"

I think at that point, atleast one of us probably told them "If you get hurt next year and get your due, don't pull the injury **** with us"

And here they are now, tripping overthemselves in mass panic as they come up with excuses for why their team is so crappy against "that pathetic team in Houston" who is obviously "inferior to us" even though they were beat down like the red-headed stepchild of Jack Del Rio.
 

Dime

Veteran
jagsfanincanada said:
Our board is always like that. It really sucks, truth be told.



For that game, absolutely you were the better team. Same with the previous game. You handed us our asses. But you will not convince me your team is better than ours overall. Like you, we lack consistency. But when you can hold Peyton to less than 5 tds at home, come talk to me about being a better team through and through.

Also, if you don't think Taylor being out didn't affect the game, I don't know what to say. I don't think we would have necessarily won had he been in because of Leftwich's bad play, but if definitely affected the game, much more so than your free safety being out.

I also love the irony that when you guys lose last year 27-0, it's all because of injuries to Carr and Davis. But when we lack Taylor and have a gimpy Leftwich for both games this year, injuries aren't an excuse. How convenient.



THANK YOU! :D

Last year, Davis and Carr were not the only ones out there.. At that time, I stated we lost.. Period. You have to come with what you have. Last year, we had a HUGE amount of injuries and our record showed it. This year, we are better, more come together team. Now... that being said..

I think your team thought the Texans would roll over for them. From the remark during to coin toss to the first TD, I think your team didnt take us seriously.. Once the first TD was done, I think your team then went into shock and couldnt recover until half time. After the half, you showed more strength, but down 14 to zero, I think you all could not believe we could do that in your house..

BTW, Next years game, I think your team will take us seriously then. As much **** as Jags fans and media have been given the last few days, if you dont win at LEAST 1 game against us.. (Even if you have a 15-2 record), you are going to be slain by the media and fans.

Team wise.. I think you have a good team.. But they arent clicking together right now. They are in dis-array. Someone on that team better step up quick. Our team, however, is clicking right now. We are on a roll and have 'faith' right now. Dude... Your team or fans (by not showing up, dont give me this christmas c r a p) are missing the 'faith' right now... Like the confidence is gone.

My breakdown
Better QB - Houston right now with Jags having better backup.
Better RB - Fred is better then Davis, but Davis isnt hurt and Fred is..
Better WR - Jimmy is good, very good, but he aint a Andre Robinson. You do have about even with us on WR 2 and 3
Better Oline - Both are not doing very well, but I have to give houston's oline a VERY small margin here.
Better D line - Stroud and Henderson... - Monsters, you win there...
Better Backs - Robinson, Glenn, Sharper, Wong, sorry man... Houston rocks a bit here...
Better S/FS - Have to go with Jags on the edge here...
K/PK - Your rook and our guys the last few have looked horrible... we both lose here.

4 to 3 on position score here.. We are close.... but I have to give Houston the edge... sorry man..
 
ledzeppelin269 said:
I would take it as an excuse, no problem, except for the fact we tried the same thing when our guys were missing and the Jags would have none of it. We were only missing:

QBs Carr and Banks
RBs Davis and Mack
DL Payne and Walker (and some backups)
CB Glenn
OLB Clemons
FB Baxter (He was starting early but was overtaken by Norris during his injury)

So between our ragtag of defensive journeymen, our 3rd string rookie QB and 3 string rookie RB coming off an ACL tear/and surgery, we lost 27-0.

We tried saying "But look at all our injuries! We stood almost no chance!"

Jaguars: "No, no sireebob, Houston is just full of excuses! Always them excuses with them 'Texicans'.

and then there was:
"This is the NFL, you have to be ready to play despite injuries, because every team gets injuries and you have to just play through them! That means the Slackjaws were the better team today"

I think at that point, atleast one of us probably told them "If you get hurt next year and get your due, don't pull the injury **** with us"

And here they are now, tripping overthemselves in mass panic as they come up with excuses for why their team is so crappy against "that pathetic team in Houston" who is obviously "inferior to us" even though they were beat down like the red-headed stepchild of Jack Del Rio.
I can't speak for any other Jag fans. Obviously you guys had a brutal injury situation last year and it showed.

Leftwich and Taylor weren't the only ones hurt for this game either. We have 4 DEs on IR. Our LT is also on IR (you might have noticed the human turnstile named Ephraim Salaam replacing him).
 

Chance_C

All Pro
It was caused by a concussion. Leftwich was missing wide open guys. Both times he missed Jimmy Smith, Smith was open. And for fans who ceaselessly rip us for being thugs, cheap, etc, you seem awfully proud of hurting Leftwich.
Typical jaguars fan reading something and digesting it any old way you want to. Where did I say anything about taking pride in hurting Leftwich? In fact I said I like Leftwich. The only thing I said was that Leftwich played bad because of our D. Hell I wish Lefty could've stayed in the game (I hate to see anyone get hurt, especially someone I respect). We put the pressure on your starter and your backup, that was the problem with your QB's. Please do not put words in my mouth.
 
jagsfanincanada said:
A few bad games and we are overrated? What happened when you played Denver, and what happened when we played them? How bout Indy in Indy? Green Bay? Must be nice to see us twice in a year, both with our two best offensive players hurt. :rolleyes:
Its even better when we knocked your so called "great" QB out of 2 different games
 
Dime said:
My breakdown
Better QB - Houston right now with Jags having better backup.
Better RB - Fred is better then Davis, but Davis isnt hurt and Fred is..
Better WR - Jimmy is good, very good, but he aint a Andre Robinson. You do have about even with us on WR 2 and 3
Better Oline - Both are not doing very well, but I have to give houston's oline a VERY small margin here.
Better D line - Stroud and Henderson... - Monsters, you win there...
Better Backs - Robinson, Glenn, Sharper, Wong, sorry man... Houston rocks a bit here...
Better S/FS - Have to go with Jags on the edge here...
K/PK - Your rook and our guys the last few have looked horrible... we both lose here.
QB - Push. This last game notwithstanding, Leftwich has been the equal of Carr this year.
RB - Taylor missed one game. Saying Davis is better because he didn't miss last game is laughable.
WR - You guys win here. And it's Andre Johnson, btw. How long have you been following your team?
OL - Our OL is better. You guys have had protection issues all year. Carr has been sacked much more than Leftwich despite his large advantage in mobility (43 to 24), even with garbage Salaam playing practically all year for us. We also average 4.3 ypc to your 3.8.
DL - Us no question.
LB - Push. We both have talented starters at every LB position, including a good looking rook.
CB - You win here hands down. Bolden and Washington are garbage.
S - Slight edge to us.
K/P - We win. Our kicker has a 75% percantage to your kicker's 70%, and our kicker is 4th in the league in touchbacks. The punters have very similar stats.

I score it 4-2, with pushes at QB and LB. :)
 
jagsfanincanada said:
And David Carr has been overrated since his first snap (anyone remember the "this is his breakout year" talk?), and has remained overrated since.
Stop with the Carr smack. Over-Left-Sandwich has been hyped ever since he walked into the league. This guy has done nothing but ride the coattails of an above average DL and RB. Can you say Big Ben? Lefty has done nothing to prove himself. He has to be the biggest joke ever. His arm is barely above average, and he is less moble than P Manning.
 
jagsfanincanada said:
But when you can hold Peyton to less than 5 tds at home, come talk to me about being a better team through and through.

THANK YOU! :D
Actually genius Peyton threw 2TDS in the first 8 minutes of the game and zilch after that. Oh yeah you must have missed that. And by the way the Texans have held their oppents out of the end zone for 11 straight quarters
 
Chance_C said:
Typical jaguars fan reading something and digesting it any old way you want to. Where did I say anything about taking pride in hurting Leftwich? In fact I said I like Leftwich. The only thing I said was that Leftwich played bad because of our D. Hell I wish Lefty could've stayed in the game (I hate to see anyone get hurt, especially someone I respect). We put the pressure on your starter and your backup, that was the problem with your QB's. Please do not put words in my mouth.
Chance_C said:
Also, the reason he was out against us the first meeting was because we knocked him out.
What way would you like me to interpret that statement? I also submit this from another texican fan:

shinerbokck_texas said:
Its even better when we knocked your so called "great" QB out of 2 different games
Now I don't want to lump you all together but this fellow sure seems to be proud of it.

shinerbock_texas said:
Stop with the Carr smack. Over-Left-Sandwich has been hyped ever since he walked into the league. This guy has done nothing but ride the coattails of an above average DL and RB. Can you say Big Ben? Lefty has done nothing to prove himself. He has to be the biggest joke ever. His arm is barely above average, and he is less moble than P Manning.
That's odd, I didn't see Stroud, Henderson and Taylor throwing touchdowns to rally the team for 4 wins in the last minute. We must have been watching different games.

For a first overall pick, Carr has authored some pretty mediocre seasons. Obviously he plays for an expansion team, and that must factor into it, but the fact that Leftwich's 2nd year numbers compare favorably to Carr's 3rd year numbers cannot be disputed.
 
jagsfanincanada said:
I But when we lack Taylor and have a gimpy Leftwich for both games this year, injuries aren't an excuse. How convenient.
THANK YOU! :D
Injuries are not an excuse when its the other team beating your Arssssss. Remember it has been the Texans who have knocked the snot out of Lefty both games.
 
shinerbock_texas said:
Actually genius Peyton threw 2TDS in the first 8 minutes of the game and zilch after that. Oh yeah you must have missed that. And by the way the Texans have held their oppents out of the end zone for 11 straight quarters
Actually, genius, you must have missed him throwing for 5 tds when he was at home, like my post said.
 
jagsfanincanada said:
Actually, genius, you must have missed him throwing for 5 tds when he was at home, like my post said.
Your statement did not reference whose home you were commenting on. Your post did not include 'his home'.
 
shinerbock_texas said:
Your statement did not reference whose home you were commenting on. Your post did not include 'his home'.
Meh I assumed you would remember the 5 TDs he put up in Indy and make the connection. I know the Texans help them to a then-season-low 23 in Houston and I commend them for that. But they still got pasted in Indy, a place the Jags went into and won.
 
jagsfanincanada said:
It was caused by a concussion. Leftwich was missing wide open guys. Both times he missed Jimmy Smith, Smith was open. And for fans who ceaselessly rip us for being thugs, cheap, etc, you seem awfully proud of hurting Leftwich.
GEE Guys, we should all start a new post "HOW MANY EXCUSES WILL THE JAGS USE FOR LOSING"......LMAOOOOO..
 

Dime

Veteran
jagsfanincanada said:
QB - Push. This last game notwithstanding, Leftwich has been the equal of Carr this year.
RB - Taylor missed one game. Saying Davis is better because he didn't miss last game is laughable.
WR - You guys win here. And it's Andre Johnson, btw. How long have you been following your team?
OL - Our OL is better. You guys have had protection issues all year. Carr has been sacked much more than Leftwich despite his large advantage in mobility (43 to 24), even with garbage Salaam playing practically all year for us. We also average 4.3 ypc to your 3.8.
DL - Us no question.
LB - Push. We both have talented starters at every LB position, including a good looking rook.
CB - You win here hands down. Bolden and Washington are garbage.
S - Slight edge to us.
K/P - We win. Our kicker has a 75% percantage to your kicker's 70%, and our kicker is 4th in the league in touchbacks. The punters have very similar stats.

I score it 4-2, with pushes at QB and LB. :)

RB - I was saying Fred is better...
WR - Rofl.. Andre Robinson..... I have Robinson on the brain, Johnson of course...
LB - I have to say here is where I feel we really differ. I think we have a better LB crew then you all do. Not saying your all are bad, I just feel mine our better.
O-Line - I think your probably right here...
S- I see this more of a push...
K/P - Our guys have been horrible this year for some reason. Many bad punts and missed FG's.
 

Chance_C

All Pro
What way would you like me to interpret that statement?
Well for starters, you should interpret it exactly as it was stated, which is: Also, the reason he was out against us the first meeting was because we knocked him out. Is it a true statement or not? Now if you want to interpret it that I took great joy out of that you go ahead.
 
Chance_C said:
Well for starters, you should interpret it exactly as it was stated, which is: Also, the reason he was out against us the first meeting was because we knocked him out. Is it a true statement or not? Now if you want to interpret it that I took great joy out of that you go ahead.
He wasn't out though, he played hurt, like he did in this game.

texansgal8 said:
GEE Guys, we should all start a new post "HOW MANY EXCUSES WILL THE JAGS USE FOR LOSING"......LMAOOOOO..
As many as you used last year when you got shut out, I'd assume. Of course our **** effort is magnified because the playoffs were on the line.
 

Dime

Veteran
People, get off Leftwich...

I am a TEXANS FAN but this kid isnt that bad as you all say. After hearing about him and in his college days of play and how he , like David, has taken some hard shots and got up, that shows heart and goes a long ways for me. I dont feel he has Carrs arm, but he does have better accuracy then Carr does. They are about even to me. Both will be stars... I see Carr being a Steve Young later in days (Since Andre is like Rice, Rice baby), and I see Byron being a Daunte Culpepper in a few years. Both will be good..
 
Chance_C said:
Well for starters, you should interpret it exactly as it was stated, which is: Also, the reason he was out against us the first meeting was because we knocked him out. Is it a true statement or not? Now if you want to interpret it that I took great joy out of that you go ahead.

Chance I will say it. I would rather our Defense knock the snot out of the opposing QB every week rather than play back in the that consevative Cover-2 (bend and don't break) we seem to get caught in so much. We have 2 really good Corners, who I believe can cover just about anyone. We should allow our corners to play more man-up/ bump and cover defense, while we blitz the extra LBS to put the extra pressure on the other teams. I personally loved when the Oilers played the 4-6 Defense.

And if we knock a few QBS out of the game so be it. I am sure the other teams would Love to hurt Carr and have to face either Banks or Ragone.

Anyone remember how effective it was when we hit Manning? Or even back when the Oilers ran the run-in-shoot? The best defense against the Oilers was the Steelers blind side Blitzing that just killed Warren Moon.
 

Rosusu

Rookie
Ok, I like Leftwich, and I like the Jags. They are a great rival for us, and we always have great games against them. BUT, Jags fans need to GET OVER IT! It doesnt matter who was hurt, or any of the circumstances, YOU LOST to us twice this season. So quit your bit ching and wait until next season (you will have awhile because no playoffs). :BananaWav
 
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