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Source: Vick 'one of the heavyweights' in dogfighting

i watched the report on espn this morning. i think it was on outside the lines. they had him silhouetted (sp?) and they digitized his voice. fun stuff.
 
It looks like the stakes just got higher for the NFL and Goodell. They have been playing hardball with players all offseason, but will they show Vick leniency in order to protect their interests? However you spell it, Vick and his cousin are in big trouble and if they have provided false information to the police, then the plot only thickens.

Bottom line is that anyone sick enough to watch much less sponsor and champion a dog fight is a sick human being. If they prove that he participated in dog fighting, he needs to do some jail time and some serious community service. Oh, and he should be suspended for 10-16 games.

If the NFL softpedals this whole scandal and doesn't take action they will be in trouble with the Humane Society, PETA, and Pac Man's appeal lawyers.
 
Doesn't surprise me in the least. What will be interesting is if there is a crackdown on this bloodsport similar to the crackdown on Steroids. From what articles have said, dog fighting is a big unspoken to-do among NFL players (unless of course you are a moron like Clinton Portis).
 
Hmm, based on this informant's interview, Michael Vick had access to huge money to bet and raised/fought pit bulls DURING his VIRGINIA TECH career. His dog fought Vick's in 2000 allegedly and Vick was betting huge money. If he was into dog fighting BEFORE he became a multi-millionaire, imagine how much he is probably into it now.

The excuse that it's his cousin house is an insult to an investigator's intelligence and its all a question of whether the DA wants to get involved in this media circus and what the NFL is going to do.

If the Falcons were smart, they would just cut the guy and rid themselves of his ridiculous contract. They could probably get some of the money back and would only have the remaining portion of his signing bonus as 'dead money'. They could go on the cheap at QB and see who emerges out of Harrnington, Shockley, and Redman. Vick is injury-prone, a distraction, an embarassment, and is an average QB with elite feet. For some reason, I don't think this is going to end well for Vick.

This is a serious black eye to Virginia Tech's athletic program and if some of this info pans out, the NCAA may need to do some investigations over there.
 
With all this BAD news coming out about Mike Vick, I predict that as of July 1, 2007, Mike Vick will be residing in:

A. Argentina

B. Costa Rica

C. Uruguay

D. Federal Detention Center for Northern District of Georgia, Atlanta Georgia.
 
PowerfulDragon said:
i watched the report on espn this morning. i think it was on outside the lines. they had him silhouetted (sp?) and they digitized his voice. fun stuff.
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Yeah, I saw that report, too. I had left it on ESPN, and when I walked into the room it was showing video of dog's fighting. Unfortunately, my 5 yo son was with me, but he just thinks they were playing. Sad stuff, and I just don't get the appeal of watching animals kill themselves as entertainment.
 
281 said:
i wonder how the falcons feel about those two second rounders NOW.
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If Vick gets suspended you know Joey Harrington isn't going to cut the mustard...

I doubt that Carolina would trade him to a Division Rival, but the Falcons might be able to buy a used Carr for the right price..
 
Koolaid Time said:
With all this BAD news coming out about Mike Vick, I predict that as of July 1, 2007, Mike Vick will be residing in:

A. Argentina

B. Costa Rica

C. Uruguay

D. Federal Detention Center for Northern District of Georgia, Atlanta Georgia.
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E. Mexico (Nobody would ever think to look for him there)
 
My friend in Alief has three pitbull. I've known all of them since they were a puppy. They are good dogs. I can't believe people would fight those dogs. Vick deserves to be suspended this year.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
It looks like the stakes just got higher for the NFL and Goodell. They have been playing hardball with players all offseason, but will they show Vick leniency in order to protect their interests? However you spell it, Vick and his cousin are in big trouble and if they have provided false information to the police, then the plot only thickens.
Bottom line is that anyone sick enough to watch much less sponsor and champion a dog fight is a sick human being. If they prove that he participated in dog fighting, he needs to do some jail time and some serious community service. Oh, and he should be suspended for 10-16 games.

If the NFL softpedals this whole scandal and doesn't take action they will be in trouble with the Humane Society, PETA, and Pac Man's appeal lawyers.
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I agree, In light of this info, I think regardless of what happens, Gooddell is going to ding him at least 12 games. This might be the straw that breaks the camel's back for him in Atlanta...
 
Specnatz said:
It was very hard to read anything that was posted there. Is there not one person on that board who knows what a dictionary is or what a structured sentence is. Heck, I know spelling is not my strong area so I keep a pocket dictionary by my computer. Are the school systems in Atlanta that bad?

WOW!!
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yeah, I went and read the thread. I then thanked God for being raised in the great State of Texas and not in the illiterate State of Georgia.

One thing was 'somewhat' obvious from the thread. There are basically 2 camps of Falcon fans now. The Falcons ownership is in a predicament because of this and will probably await word from the NFL before acting.

Vick will have more external pressure on him than any other player this year. If more stuff comes to light and he starts playing bad, it will get really ugly.

TO is probably breathing a sigh of relief now that he isnt the badguy du jour...
 
And now, another warrant (from profootballtalk.com):

Patrick Terpstra of WVEC-TV reports that authorities are searching the property previously owned by Falcons quarterback Mike Vick for the remains of dogs.

According to a search warrant, seven dogs were destroyed and buried on the property on April 23, and as many as 30 dogs might be buried there.

The warrant also states that the U.S. Department of Agriculture Inspector General sought approval to enter a building on the property in order to pull up floor boards and wall boards in search of signs of blood.
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Somebody is talking if they have specific information about 7 dogs being put down and buried on April 23rd. Wonder what happened on the evening of April 22nd?
 
infantrycak said:
And now, another warrant (from profootballtalk.com):



Somebody is talking if they have specific information about 7 dogs being put down and buried on April 23rd. Wonder what happened on the evening of April 22nd?
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Loose lips sink ships & it looks like Vick's ship might've just hit an iceberg.
 
They also found Beagles on the property that were used as "bait".

Ya, it's ok. Heck, it's just like boxing right. What he does with his own dogs doesn't bother me. :gun:

Disgusting. :devilpig:
 
Porky said:
They also found Beagles on the property that were used as "bait".
Ya, it's ok. Heck, it's just like boxing right. What he does with his own dogs doesn't bother me. :gun:

Disgusting. :devilpig:
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dude, that is the lowest of the low. freakin snoopy was a beagle for crying out loud.

it's time for Vick to take a timeout....from society. he is a sick human being and needs to go away.
 
Since I am FEMALE I can type this, I actually cried when I read about the Beagles the other day. Those are some of the sweetest dogs around, and great with kids. Just makes me sick to think about it!!

I have a feeling Matt is exceptionally happy the deal went through! Who would want to be a part of anything MV touches!! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! I've never had anything against Falcon fans so I truly feel sorry for them. BUT, if they support this monster throughout this ordeal, they can kiss my ***!!!!!!!!!
 
First time hearing about the beagles...

Yeah, that's disgusting...


If all these things are true, I sincerely hope Vick gets banned from the NFL and thrown in Jail...
 
Pointdexter is playing with fire:

Updating prior reports, Patrick Terpstra of WVEC-TV reports that Surry County prosecutor Gerald Poindexter has rejected the warrant to search the Virginia property of Mike Vick for dog remains because Poindexter "did not like the language of it."

Poindexter claims that Sheriff Harold Brown shared these concerns. And we'll believe it when Brown says so himself.

Poindexter previously has pointed to a problem with a search warrant as the reason for the failure of another dog-fighting prosecution in which he was involved. In this case, the specific reason for Poindexter's rejection of the warrant is not known. It's also not known whether Poindexter is penning alternative language that will address his concerns.

The warrant had been issued by a magistrate, at the request of an investigator from the Sheriff's office.
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He better come forward with a specific criticism of the warrant language or the politics charges are going to amp up. From profootballtalk.com.

A long article:

The brick house Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick owned on Moonlight Road in rural Smithfield, Va., is painted white. It has a white door, a white fence and a huge white gate that opens on a spare front lawn holding a white birdbath. In the woods behind the house, out of view from the road, stand five smaller buildings. These are painted black -- not gray or charcoal, but pure black, as if they'd been dipped in ink. They are set off from the house by a fence, also painted black.
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Check out the picture on page 2. Interesting choice in color scheme.

She also found a dog tooth on a bucket.
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I'm scared to ask how they know that.

In other buildings Strouse found syringes as well as injectable diuretics and nutritional supplements commonly given to fighting dogs.
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Now I could see supplements being used with non-fighting dogs but diuretics?

A source close to Vick with links to the NFL told SI last week that those two characterizations oversimplify the situation. "Mike really loves dogs," said the source, who asked not to be named. "It's the country side of him coming out. He doesn't believe he's doing anything wrong. It's a cultural thing for him that got worse as he got the means to support his friends who are more into [dogfighting] than him.... He's heavily influenced by a dogfighting culture that travels to Baltimore, [Washington] D.C. and Virginia for fights." The source also said that Vick was frequently at the Moonlight Road house in past off-seasons.

Two other Vick associates told SI.com's Don Banks that the quarterback knew about the dogfighting at the house on Moonlight Road and cited his "affinity" for the dogfighting subculture.
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And the woodwork starts to unload.

"[Fighting dogs] is a fun thing, a hobby, to some [athletes]," says an NFL Pro Bowl running back who asked not to be named. "People are crazy about pit bulls. Guys have these nice, big fancy houses, and there is always a pit bull in the back. And everyone wants to have the biggest, baddest dog on the block."

Or, as the Pro Bowl running back put it, "Sometimes you just want to see how tough a dog you got."
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Is that you Clinton? One would think not after his 1st run in with the issue which means two pro-bowl RB's.
 
How could you do that to Beagles. My grandfather has like five of them, and they are one of the coolest dogs around. Vick is ****ing disgusting.
 
I hadn't heard about the beagles till now. I hope they throw the book at Vick. I know he's got money and that equals "power" when it comes to breaking the law, but I really hope he gets the maximum sentence. I am not even worried about what happens to his career, its pretty much over. I want that man....monster behind bars where he belongs. He can keep the cell warm for Marcus since its only a matter of time till the reunite. Thugs.
 
I don't think the Falcons want to take the action on this. Let Goodell deal with him and let the chips fall where they may.

Let Goodell straighten the mess out. This whole story plays along racial lines in Atlanta for the most part. A significant amount of the Falcons fanbase would be upset if the Falcons take pre-emptive action on Vick before he has a criminal trial. If the NFL does the pre-emptive action before a criminal trial, the pro-Vick contingent can't really blame local ownership. Blank has stood by Vick in every instance (including this one). Falcons ownership would be well served to let the NFL do the dirty work.

It's still early but logic dictates that Vick was deeply involved in the dog killing err fighting subculture. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
 
The more & more that comes out about this, the more & more i think it's more of the case that his cousin was "hustlin" on the side. I just finished reading Infantr.. article & the animal control lady pretty much said that the dogs were in pretty good shape save for some cuts here & there.

IMO what i think happened is that MV probably asked his cousin to take care of his dogs while he was away for the football season, his cousin & god knows who else of the possible 10 people who had access to the home, saw an oportunity to make money on the side by fighting the dogs. That's the only real reason people fight dogs anyway, so they can make money & we know MV shouldn't be hurting for any of that.

It's also no secret that the money being bet on these things isn't really chump change either, the informant spoke to that in the Outside the lines interview.

But then there are the Nate Newton's of the world who just do stupid &^$% just to be the "best" at it, so i don't know.

I'm not so naive as to think that Vick has no culpability in this whole ordeal, Like 2nd honeymoon says, where there's smoke there's fire, but the amount is the sketchy part. Bottom line, when a good portion of your family comes from the ghetto & 1 makes it out, there is somewhat of a "crabs in a barrel" mentality amongst many of those who are theoretically supposed to be in your corner.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
This whole story plays along racial lines in Atlanta for the most part.
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This is the unseemly aspect of this story, and people don't like to talk about it, especially at the national media level. But its there, and more so in Atlanta than other large cities/metro areas in our country.
 
The buildings painted black in the back of the property says it all. That's just not normal and is obviously intended for a purpose. I have no doubt that dog fighting was taking place on the property. If Vick was directly involved still has to be proven, although I believe he was connected.

The story about the beagles is just sick and disgusting.
 
Double Barrel said:
The buildings painted black in the back of the property says it all. That's just not normal and is obviously intended for a purpose.
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Like you said that just isn't normal and seems pretty indicting in my mind because it means Vick had a direct involvement in setting the place up with that design since he is the one who paid for it to be built that way.
 
Mr teX said:
IMO what i think happened is that MV probably asked his cousin to take care of his dogs while he was away for the football season, his cousin & god knows who else of the possible 10 people who had access to the home, saw an oportunity to make money on the side by fighting the dogs. That's the only real reason people fight dogs anyway, so they can make money & we know MV shouldn't be hurting for any of that.
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um... i disagree.
 
Mr teX said:
The more & more that comes out about this, the more & more i think it's more of the case that his cousin was "hustlin" on the side. I just finished reading Infantr.. article & the animal control lady pretty much said that the dogs were in pretty good shape save for some cuts here & there.

IMO what i think happened is that MV probably asked his cousin to take care of his dogs while he was away for the football season, his cousin & god knows who else of the possible 10 people who had access to the home, saw an oportunity to make money on the side by fighting the dogs. That's the only real reason people fight dogs anyway, so they can make money & we know MV shouldn't be hurting for any of that.

It's also no secret that the money being bet on these things isn't really chump change either, the informant spoke to that in the Outside the lines interview.

But then there are the Nate Newton's of the world who just do stupid &^$% just to be the "best" at it, so i don't know.

I'm not so naive as to think that Vick has no culpability in this whole ordeal, Like 2nd honeymoon says, where there's smoke there's fire, but the amount is the sketchy part. Bottom line, when a good portion of your family comes from the ghetto & 1 makes it out, there is somewhat of a "crabs in a barrel" mentality amongst many of those who are theoretically supposed to be in your corner.
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tell me you really don't believe that. fight his dogs 'on the side'?!?! so when MV comes home wouldnt he notice that a few of his dogs had been murdered in the ring? wouldn't he notice the houses in the back painted black? wouldn't he notice blood?

what happened is this. vick had his cousin oversee the operation so Vick could stay at an arms distance. vick financed the whole thing (which is irrefutable based on the fact the cousin was unemployed). feeding 100 fighting dogs each day is not a cheap venture. I bet they spend upwards of $200/day on feeding those animals. The cousin got involved in some drugs and got pinched. This gave authorities an excuse to investigate the rumored and alleged presence of dogs and dog fighting items on the property.

That lady from the Virigina Dog Fighting Task Force from Infantrycak's linked article didn't sound too happy with Vick. I think Vick may be made an example of by this lady. If they find beagle bones on that property, Vick needs to go away for quite a long time.
 
Even if they don't indict the guy...........next season is gonna be a rough one for him. He might find himself flipping off a lot more fans.
 
Mr. White said:
Even if they don't indict the guy...........next season is gonna be a rough one for him. He might find himself flipping off a lot more fans.
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I get the feeling that Vick is going to be hearing the classic song 'Who Let The Dogs Out?!?' more than a few times this year.
 
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