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If Adrian Peterson happens to be at 10 when the Texans are on the clock. What would you want to see the Texans do. As well, what would be the minumum you would want to see the Texans receive to move spots?

#1. I would personally take Peterson at 10 even though we have Green and Dayne. Tripple Threat, and you know one of the two will be hurting at different times of the season, plus we have the opportunity to get the 2nd best player in the draft at #10.

#2. I do not know much about the whole point system etc. I just know there is a chart that value certain spots in the draft. IF the Texans are on the clock with Peterson still on the board, I think at minimum the Texans must swap 1st rd. picks, anywhere from 11-20, then receive the teams 2nd rd. pick for this year, plus their first next year at minimum. Does that sound like too much, or too little?

I think the Texans are sitting in a fairly good position. I would love taking Peterson 10 overall, but at the same time I wouldn't mind receiving picks if the price is right.

I'd like to know everyone elese opionion.

There has been little talk about Peterson with all the Texans Quartback talk, I hope we don't hear much about him until draft day. May the Bills and Packers think were not taking him. Or REALLY make them think we are and they fall in love and hand us picks left and right for a franchise running back.

Gosh more than a month until the draft. I can't take it any longer, but hey, Astros opening day is 9 days away. I bet all the people who didn't renew their season tickets are wishing they did. Looks like the will be paying a premium to jump back on the bandwagon.

I'm in it for the longhall. It will make it that much more sweeter!!! Go Texans.
 
If I were the Texans, I'd be using Peterson's availablity to try to get one of my 2nd round picks back.
 
Tulip said:
If I were the Texans, I'd be using Peterson's availablity to try to get one of my 2nd round picks back.
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i'd rather take peterson himself since i think he's going to be an elite back in this league long after ahman green's tenure (one to two years), but if we can get a decent draft pick and a trade down in the first i won't be TOO mad... passing on him and potential draft picks, however, would be totally stupid on our part.
 
If Peterson is there at 10 along with Levi Brown . . . I'd take Levi Brown.

If Levi Brown is gone by then, then explore trade down offers if there are any.
 
if texans are there i'd no doubt make the trade down, ideally to GB. you could easily get their 2nd rounder and maybe a 5th this year or a 3rd next year. i really doubt the texans get gb 2nd this year and next or get the 2nd and 3rd this year. personally, i think trading is a no brainer. i love AP, but the texans don't need him as much as they need other players.
 
(Walgreens...aka "Perfect" Mode) If AP is there at 10, I'd entertain really SPECTACULAR trade offers for about 5 minutes and then pick him up if there aren't any offered. Ahman Green is a short-term solution, AP could be the ANSWER for the next 5-8.

(Reality Mode) Unless AP seriously injures himself prior to the draft, he won't make it halfway down to #10.
 
if peterson and brown are there, take peterson. you could keep him or trade down and still take brown and add a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder. peterson himself is worth more than the actual draft position.
 
htownfoozball said:
if peterson and brown are there, take peterson. you could keep him or trade down and still take brown and add a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder. peterson himself is worth more than the actual draft position.
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I disagree. If AD falls to 10 then he's not worth more than any other top prospect that fell to 10. Did the Cardinals get any outstanding offers when Leinart fell to 10? No, because if 9 teams pass on a guy you aren't gonna get a king's ransom for him no matter how highly the fans think of him.
 
I did not believe AD would be there at 8. I definitely don't believe he'll be there at 10. We signed Ahman, then Dayne, I don't believe the Texans did either.

But if he were, I still don't believe anyone would trade up to get him. The best running backs in '06 were picked at 21(Maroney), 27(DeAngelo), 30(Addai), & 60(MJD)...

Marshawn Lynch & Michael Bush are most likely targeted in that 15-20 range, then Kenny Irons(who I think will be very successful in the NFL) & Antonio Pittman are still on the board.

I don't see anyone moving up for a running back.
 
thunderkyss said:
I did not believe AD would be there at 8. I definitely don't believe he'll be there at 10. We signed Ahman, then Dayne, I don't believe the Texans did either.

But if he were, I still don't believe anyone would trade up to get him. The best running backs in '06 were picked at 21(Maroney), 27(DeAngelo), 30(Addai), & 60(MJD)...

Marshawn Lynch & Michael Bush are most likely targeted in that 15-20 range, then Kenny Irons(who I think will be very successful in the NFL) & Antonio Pittman are still on the board.

I don't see anyone moving up for a running back.
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I think personally because of this reason, that you'll see some of the bigger Running Backs be taken early. Especially with AP's talent. As for me, we HAVE to take Peterson. :wild:
 
Stros5Texans80 said:
I think personally because of this reason, that you'll see some of the bigger Running Backs be taken early. Especially with AP's talent. As for me, we HAVE to take Peterson. :wild:
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Really good point. Those guys may very well have helped this class, by reminding teams how much a running back can impact your offense in year one.
 
i really don't see why you guys are so hell bent on taking AP if he's there at 10. the texans rush offense wasn't great but by no means horrendous and towards the end of the season actually picked up. they finished like 21st. they signed ahman green who will help (though short term) i'd much rather trade the pick to a team who would give an arm and a leg for AP and get some picks back. many good rb's come from lateer rounds, look where jones drew went last year. i'd much rather the texans address key need areas with solid players than draft marquee names that aren't necessarily needed. with a 2nd round pick from the trade the texans might be able to get kenny irons or a hunt/booker later on. i think that would go along way in helping teh texans overall than just taking a marquee name and not addressing what's been hurting teh texans for awhile.
 
Janus3 said:
not with the current o line he wouldn't be.
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Can people get it through their skulls that pass blocking and run blocking are two different things. If Domanick Davis and Ron Dayne can run effectively behind our "incompetent at life" OL then I'm pretty sure Adrian Peterson could.

As for the "best RBs from last year" being taken later on, they also went to established teams with cohesive lines and competent passing attacks to keep things balanced. (Or in Addai's case, severely unbalanced in that teams were worrying about the pass and making concessions to the Colts running attack.)

You take Peterson because he would clearly be the BPA and Ahman Green/Ron Dayne are not the future. Yes a DB would be preferable but if you have Peterson ranked light years ahead you don't pass him up.

Probably a moot point though since Peterson never makes it to 10.
 
if peterson is there at the 10th spot i have to take him...our starter and our main back up are both old for a NFL RB...and he has way too much talent to pass on...it's very unlikely we won't have to see this scenario thankfully...because if he was there and we passed on him can you imagine the reaction the fans would have

the only way i don't take him is if a team offers us a ricky williams like deal where we get their entire draft just about...i could like with getting like 4 extra picks and 2 or 3 of those being 1st day picks
 
barring a trade up, peterson could very easily make it to 10. it all depends on what cleveland does.

also, to counter your point, if davis and dayne can run through the line why take a RB so early. running game is not the main concern. why sign green to such a huge contract if you don't plan to use him. i hate when people use the "bpa" argument. why would you take the best layer available and not address positons of need. like i said, if peterson is there, i'm certain the texans could get a huge deal in picks from the likes of buffalo/gb and still take be able to draft a quality player at a need postion. i really doubt peterson would be so much better alone than green/dayne/lundy/rb taken from later rounds.
 
there's no way peterson makes it to #10. it really is a pipe dream. if cleveland doesn't want him, then arizona, minnesota, atlanta certainly, or even miami would take him.
 
kastofsna said:
there's no way peterson makes it to #10. it really is a pipe dream. if cleveland doesn't want him, then arizona, minnesota, atlanta certainly, or even miami would take him.
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i just don't see why any of those teams would take him when they're already established at rb. except maybe atlanta, but they have a great prospect in norwood.
 
"I think at minimum the Texans must swap 1st rd. picks, anywhere from 11-20, then receive the teams 2nd rd. pick for this year, plus their first next year at minimum. Does that sound like too much, or too little? "

That sounds like way too much. I don't know of any team that would give us thier 1st, 2nd, and 1st of next year to switch places with us.
 
well just for argument sake let's say he's there at the 10th spot...green bay calls and they seriously want him...they want to trade with us to make sure san fran doesn't take him due to gore's injured history and you know buffalo will take him...they also know that we want him...because even with green/dayne that we have a long term answer at RB...no...so we hardball them

i think the last time i looked at it the trade value chart they would have to give up their 1st, 2nd, and probably something like a 4th next year to equal our pick...but they really want him and we're playing hardball...at what point as fans are we ok with the trade to give up AD?

their 1st, 2nd, 3rd rounders this year and a 4th next year...or more?

i think we try to induce a bidding war and take the best grouping of picks...maybe a team will include a player
 
way too many picks to move from 16 to 10. in fact, all it'd really take is their 1st and 2nd, and you'd have to throw back a 4th to even out the deal thru the trade chart.
 
This is ridiculous. Peterson at 10.....why even entertain this **** for arguments' sake. I know it is the offseason but I'd rather find a way to still argue about Carr and where he will go to and if he will fool them for 5 years....
 
kastofsna said:
why in god's holy name would you NOT take peterson if he is somehow there at 10?
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I'm with kastofsna on this one. If AP is there at 10, then we have to take him. We need a true RB that is going to make teams take notice of a running game. And with Green, Dayne, and AP teams will take notice. Plus AP is for the future to.
 
Tulip said:
If I were the Texans, I'd be using Peterson's availablity to try to get one of my 2nd round picks back.
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Normally I'd never say that. I'm usually a "stand pat and make your picks" kind of draft-thinker. From time to time I advocate trading up to get somebody (and usually I am proven wrong like I was back in my "We must trade up to get Robert Gallery days).

This time I'd really like to have my 2 back. I think the first round is deep enough and our GM is un-Casserly enough to pick a player later and get us a solid starter. I love Adrian Peterson and I would not complain if we picked him at 10. I wouldn't complain about a trade down like I did when we passed on Derrick Johnson however. This time it makes sense to me.
 
kastofsna said:
way too many picks to move from 16 to 10. in fact, all it'd really take is their 1st and 2nd, and you'd have to throw back a 4th to even out the deal thru the trade chart.
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Nobody says the trade chart has to be even. I bet you coulld get that done without throwing back the 4.
 
IF Adrian Peterson is there, I would absolutely take him. I seriously doubt he will be there...but you never know. Who on earth thought Cutler & Leinart would have dropped as they did last year.

You can never tell...I guess. But I CERTAINLY wouldn't count on AP being there at 10.

At this point...I feel really good about anything Rick Smith & Kubes wanna do. Stay put and get the Best Player Available (besides QB)....or trade back a bit and get extra picks (perhaps a later 1st and a 2008 2nd to replace next year's we gave up for Schaub...and more, depending on how far we drop back).

I'm actually getting quite excited thanks to our Front Office (wow...what a change).

Cheers! :ski:
 
Now I've never considered this until today and I haven't discussed it with anybody,but I would be interested in their second round pick next year, rather than this year and I'll tell you why:

-We all know that Green and Dayne are not franchise backs of the future. So if we pass on a franchise back this year (which I have no problem with), I would like to see us get one next year, when:

-McFadden, Slayton, Hart, and others could be available, and having the second round pick next year rather than this year allows us to either:
A) Get one of them should they fall to round or
B) Use the second rounder as amo to trade up to get one of them should that be necessary.

Take my idea for what it's worth. I'm not saying pass on him, but if we were to trade down, that would be my course of action.
 
Marcus said:
If Peterson is there at 10 along with Levi Brown . . . I'd take Levi Brown.

If Levi Brown is gone by then, then explore trade down offers if there are any.
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Thank you, and agreed. give the new guy a chance at some early sucess in the process please. Only thing that would change my mind on this
IF someone offered the farm for a move up. By farm I'm saying a two this year and ammo for '08. I.E. a fricken lot.
 
kastofsna said:
way too many picks to move from 16 to 10. in fact, all it'd really take is their 1st and 2nd, and you'd have to throw back a 4th to even out the deal thru the trade chart.
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Agreed and I really luv ya Keyfro, but there's no way. I'd be happy with a pair of threes at this point. I think this is basically the same deal as we had last year. Finding a trade partner is going to be very hard. I just don't see the NFL rating running backs as high as we do on this board. I could see some one low falling in love with Adam Carikers or Ombi's tallets and flexiblity in a three four. I don't think Laron and All day will generate the type of interest that you're projecting though. Running back...good running backs are a dime a dozen and noone wants to over pay for them. In the draft...Get the QB, Defend the pass of the QB, protect the QB. That's it. RB and FS isn't on that list. They aren't premium players.
 
sgntxnfn said:
Now I've never considered this until today and I haven't discussed it with anybody,but I would be interested in their second round pick next year, rather than this year and I'll tell you why:
-We all know that Green and Dayne are not franchise backs of the future. So if we pass on a franchise back this year (which I have no problem with), I would like to see us get one next year, when:
-McFadden, Slayton, Hart, and others could be available, and I want enough amo should it come to a situation where we need to trade up to get one these guys.

Take my idea for what it's worth.
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LOL, i like your picture sgnt! i was scrolling down and saw it and then read your post. i was thinking man! i dont remember writing this at all..and it stumped me becuase it's exactly something i would write.

good post lol..rep your way.

i would love peterson here, but for our team and the current situation now i'd prefer to get a 2nd rounder or more and address the more pressing needs on our team. next year i really like the RB's and LT's in the 1st rd. and also phillips the FS from Miami and Antoine Cason CB depending on what positions we draft this year.
 
keyfro said:
well just for argument sake let's say he's there at the 10th spot...green bay calls and they seriously want him...they want to trade with us to make sure san fran doesn't take him due to gore's injured history and you know buffalo will take him...they also know that we want him...because even with green/dayne that we have a long term answer at RB...no...so we hardball them

i think the last time i looked at it the trade value chart they would have to give up their 1st, 2nd, and probably something like a 4th next year to equal our pick...but they really want him and we're playing hardball...at what point as fans are we ok with the trade to give up AD?

their 1st, 2nd, 3rd rounders this year and a 4th next year...or more?

i think we try to induce a bidding war and take the best grouping of picks...maybe a team will include a player
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i'm ok with that as is. the texans NEED that 2nd round pick this year. i'd much rather have irons/nelson as opposed to peterson alone.
 
I posted this in another thread in response to someone suggesting we trade for NE's two #1 picks, but it seems to be more appropriate for this thread.

I doubt NE would make that deal. On the other hand, since they're a playoff team & have most of the pieces in place, we might stand a better chance of getting the Jets to trade their 1st & two 2nd round picks, if AP is still on the board.

#10 = 1300 pts

#25 = 720 pts
#59 = 310 pts
#63 = 276 pts
Total = 1306 pts

How'd you like to trade down & pick up two 2nd round picks this year? At this point, I'd do that deal.

At 25, you could pick up a starting OL like Blaylock, Staley, Sears, Kalil, or Grubbs. Or, you could pick up one of the LB's, like Timmons, Posluszny, or Beason. And, of course, there should be several WR's, Michael Bush, second tier CB's, & safeties (Griffin/Meriweather) available, as well.
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I just can't imagine Texans passing AD at #10 if he some how is available. For all the good things this management has done in regards to personnel decision this off season. I just can't see them passing them up.

Offensively we will be set for next decade with AJ, AD, and Schaub.
 
hey i know the chart would be way uneven...but it gave us something to think about...remember the ricky williams draft day trade was completely uneven...new orleans gave up the entire draft to move up and it wasn't needed via the trade chart

just saying when a certain team falls in love with a player sometimes common sense is thrown out the window...and with a team like green bay who with farve being back for this year maybe next at the most a guy like peterson gives them the best chance to win now...and they are reportedly looking at every way possible to move up to get him...if he's not available after the cleveland pick (which is where i see him going) then they'll be trading up for lynch...just a mater of how much they're going to spend now
 
I don't understand stand how people can think that ONE player in the draft makes or breaks the team. I think Irons from Auburn can be an effective back for us. Get the BPA for one of our most glaring problems. OT, CB, FS, OLB, DT. RB is not a position that we are desperate in. Now AD maybe great, so was Reggie, So was Earl, so was Emmitt. My point is next year there will be another " GREAT BACK " coming out. With a quartet of Green, Dayne, Taylor and Lundy I think we will survive this year. It would be nice to see AD run for 175 yards and 2 TD's...... Till you look at the scoreboard and the score is 35- 17 INDY.
 
there will be another great back coming out next year. doesn't have anything to do with peterson. if he's there at 10, the value is ridiculous, and you have to take him to make your franchise both A) not look insane and B) gain ground in the division.
 
kastofsna said:
there will be another great back coming out next year. doesn't have anything to do with peterson. if he's there at 10, the value is ridiculous, and you have to take him to make your franchise both A) not look insane and B) gain ground in the division.
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No I think it does. Especially if your picking the guy because he is there. We have a serviceable RB quartet. And have more glaring needs to round this team into a winner. If he is such an incredible value at that spot then we ought to have offers to move down and recieve additional picks. Thats the route I would take if that is how it breaks down. I mean really you draft AD and neglect needs, he is the next Carr on this team.
 
ledzeppelin269 said:
Can people get it through their skulls that pass blocking and run blocking are two different things. If Domanick Davis and Ron Dayne can run effectively behind our "incompetent at life" OL then I'm pretty sure Adrian Peterson could.

As for the "best RBs from last year" being taken later on, they also went to established teams with cohesive lines and competent passing attacks to keep things balanced. (Or in Addai's case, severely unbalanced in that teams were worrying about the pass and making concessions to the Colts running attack.)

You take Peterson because he would clearly be the BPA and Ahman Green/Ron Dayne are not the future. Yes a DB would be preferable but if you have Peterson ranked light years ahead you don't pass him up.

Probably a moot point though since Peterson never makes it to 10.
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I'd rep you again but cant...Exactly!! Peterson will not be there but if he is... you take him...Why ?

1)Best player on board and we need an impact Rb (after Dayne and Green are gone). I don't expect the Texans to pick very high next season I'd be suprised if they would be in a position to take someone talented like Peterson Also we have a long way to go in the draft after 1st round and next season we won't have a 2 either so we better get the best bang for our buck at 10(Peterson) than trade down and who knows who is left for us to pick.

But we won't have to worry about Peterson, he won't be there.
 
on a joking note, we would put ESPiN out of subject material

If Matt turned out good and we drafted Peterson

What would they talk about? They lose leverage against the Texans on a certain QB from UT and a certain RB from USC

Here's to Mario getting healthy and creating havoc in '07
:cheers:
 
For those of you who say we should NOT pick Peterson, do you realize what you are saying? Would you "BOOO" if you heard his name called? I can say one thing though, IF Peterson is there at 10 and we pass on him AND do not trade back for more picks, then the Texans will no longer have a home because I WILL burn Reliant stadium down.
 
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