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What I'd Like To See

Runner

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What I would like to see is all of the football experts here to say, "Hey, enough of David Carr, here is what I think about X", with X being anything about Texans football not David Carr or a thin attempt of disguise and still being about David Carr.

So haters and lovers, do you accept the challenge or will you too curl up into a little ball and regurgitate the same stuff? Can you generate a serious front page of the Bullpen with no Carr posts?

I say you can't. You don't know enough about football.

Reverse psychology? No. I think as a group you are all that limited. Sorry, but you've proved it over the past six months.
 
Heres the problem

Unless we talk strictly about defense, its impossible for Carr not to come up.
Want to talk about WRs on the Texans? Carr is implied.
Want to talk about the running game? The TEs? The OL?
Want to talk about the salary cap?
Want to talk about Kubiak and Smith?
Want to talk about the x's and o's of games this past year?

The quarterback is so instrumental to the team that no matter what you post on this board, SOMEONE out there will blame Carr or praise Carr regarding it.

This post will self destruct into a Carr thread in t minus 5..
 
Heres the problem

Unless we talk strictly about defense, its impossible for Carr not to come up.
Want to talk about WRs on the Texans? Carr is implied.
Want to talk about the running game? The TEs? The OL?
Want to talk about the salary cap?
Want to talk about Kubiak and Smith?
Want to talk about the x's and o's of games this past year?

The quarterback is so instrumental to the team that no matter what you post on this board, SOMEONE out there will blame Carr or praise Carr regarding it.

This post will self destruct into a Carr thread in t minus 5..

you just proved him right
 
Heres the problem

Unless we talk strictly about defense, its impossible for Carr not to come up.
Want to talk about WRs on the Texans? Carr is implied.
Want to talk about the running game? The TEs? The OL?
Want to talk about the salary cap?
Want to talk about Kubiak and Smith?
Want to talk about the x's and o's of games this past year?

The quarterback is so instrumental to the team that no matter what you post on this board, SOMEONE out there will blame Carr or praise Carr regarding it.

This post will self destruct into a Carr thread in t minus 5..

I know you specifically can do better than that. I did a lengthy post on the offense last week, and I added QB at the end just to be complete. I could have left it off with little lost. Why? All the crap about QB has been said; people have made up their minds.

Try it. You'll be surprised.
 
maybe we could secretley have a contest. Start a thread. The first time the word "Carr" comes up, you check the post #. Person who makes the highest number wins
 
What I would like to see is all of the football experts here to say, "Hey, enough of David Carr, here is what I think about X", with X being anything about Texans football not David Carr or a thin attempt of disguise and still being about David Carr.

So haters and lovers, do you accept the challenge or will you too curl up into a little ball and regurgitate the same stuff? Can you generate a serious front page of the Bullpen with no Carr posts?

I say you can't. You don't know enough about football.

Reverse psychology? No. I think as a group you are all that limited. Sorry, but you've proved it over the past six months.

I can do it in 3,000 words or less, I think we should hold steady on draft neither moving up or down. But counting on scouts who found Winston, Spencer, Ryans and those street FA's who came in and helped out in a pinch, I like what Rick Smith brings to table in terms of player evaluation..I also like what Gary Kubiak brings in terms of ACTUAL playing experience and as a coach (who by the way started as a position coach not an OC).

This is a deep draft for QBs, WRs and Defensive players, I think we need to stop pass rushes from opposing defenses and get a pass rush on opposing QBs. I think we need to fill all our holes unless (please forgive me Mr. Royal) Adrian Peterson is there at #8, QB is not a need immediately for us.

I think using a mid-round (2nd day) pick on a QBand ONLY IF he is a steal, otherwise use wisdom of little dutch boy and plug the holes in the lines.

:yahoo:
 
Heres the problem

Unless we talk strictly about defense, its impossible for Carr not to come up.
Want to talk about WRs on the Texans? Carr is implied.
Want to talk about the running game? The TEs? The OL?
Want to talk about the salary cap?
Want to talk about Kubiak and Smith?
Want to talk about the x's and o's of games this past year?

The quarterback is so instrumental to the team that no matter what you post on this board, SOMEONE out there will blame Carr or praise Carr regarding it.

This post will self destruct into a Carr thread in t minus 5..
I can talk for DAYS about how our WR's don't get good seperation, comeback to the ball, make proper hot read. I can talk for DAYS about how our running game needs a RB with better vision, durability or break away speed. I can talk for DAYS about how our TE's/ game plan doesn't exploit TE's stretching the field, exploiting the cover 2 or making the proper, or good, blocks. CC had MUCH more to do with the salary cap than DC...he just signed the contract offered to him. Last time I checked, neither Kubiak or Smith played QB for the Texans( AND they are responsable for much more)nor do X's and O's play only QB. DC is NOT the Texans and the Texans are NOT DC. The QB of ANY team is given WAY to much credit/blame for wins and losses.
 
How does Green fit our offense? How is our o-line talent wise? Do Kubiak's actions follow his words? Will Ryans have a sophomore slump? Will last year's street free agent defensive tackles make the team? Will they start? Should we pattern our offense after Denver which has unusual schemes and players in the NFL, or should we build a more standard team first?

Are these too hard to address?

I'd like to hear opinions about many areas, and things I haven't even thought of.
 
I can talk for DAYS about how our WR's don't get good seperation, comeback to the ball, make proper hot read. I can talk for DAYS about how our running game needs a RB with better vision, durability or break away speed. I can talk for DAYS about how our TE's/ game plan doesn't exploit TE's stretching the field, exploiting the cover 2 or making the proper, or good, blocks. CC had MUCH more to do with the salary cap than DC...he just signed the contract offered to him. Last time I checked, neither Kubiak or Smith played QB for the Texans( AND they are responsable for much more)nor do X's and O's play only QB. DC is NOT the Texans and the Texans are NOT DC. The QB of ANY team is given WAY to much credit/blame for wins and losses.

I know this is lame, and I hate to do this, but:

These are ideas. Im not 100% on any of them
Running game - The reason our running game seems to flutter at times could be because the opposing safeties read run first, cover 2nd. Our gameplan, because of how Kubiak designed it, requires very quick passes. Not a lot of playaction, not a lot of 7 step drops to out routes or deep posts. The safeties can sneak up and play the run because they aren't worried about being beaten over the top.

Our WRs don't get good separation because they don't have time. When your gameplan is to throw the ball before 1.5s, its tough to do much other than get into your routes nad hope the defense is playing a type of D that allows you some space. Thats why we have so many 1 yard hitch routes. Easy separation. I honestly think if the pass blocking was better or if we could drop back for longer, maybe in shotgun, we'd get a better read on our receivers abilities. i refuse to believe that Eric Moulds, a receiver who demonstarted excellent route running in Buffalo, suddenly lost all his ability.

On TEs its the same. There is no way to stretch the field if 90% of your passing game focuses on the short routes. Add to that the fact that our QB seems hesitant to throw over the middle, and you soon realize why our TEs were making catches near the sidelines rather than on the seems down th emiddle of the field like, say, Indy TEs.

I will agree that the amount of Carr information is nauseating. But I also must confess that I think a quarterback change legitimately changes EVERY aspect of your football team. Change in quarterback play can make a perennial loser into a winner. Think back to all the horrible teams that have jumped into the playoffs over the past 5 or so years. What do they all have in common? Quarterback improvement.

San Diego - worst team in the league. Brees steps up his play, the team is in the playoffs

NO - 2nd worst team in the league. Brees comes aboard, the team is in the playoffs

Pittsburgh - Top 10 draft pick, Roethlisberger comes on board, the team is in the playoffs

I mean, I know its old to hear about DC so often, but if hear me out:
As a Texan fan, I know our team is bad. I know we lose often. I can think two things:
Either 1) Every position on our team needs an upgrade

OR

2) The QB play has been so poor that the offense is totally out of rhythm, thus leaving the defense on the field all game long and leading to misleading results

If option 1 is correct, this team will take 2-5 years to become contenders.

if option 2 is correct, cutting or trading Carr and replacing him with someone better will take the team to where I want it to be in 1-2 years.
 
mario williams' rookie season really impressed me. not because he excelled at his position, but because of his continued improvement and off the charts physical ability. there was not a player infront of him that mario couldnt out-run or simply manhandle once he was able to diagnose the play. and that was on a bum foot as a rookie. mario's only weakness last season was just that, it took him seemingly forever to diagnose the play which meant by the time he picked up what was happening and throw his blocker aside, it was already too late. that will change with experience and coaching. picking up that kind of raw power and raw talent as a very young underclassman was IMO critical to building our new "kubiak" era. mario's going to continue to get stronger and faster as he matures into his body, and all that's lacking football wise is experience. given a healthy full season, jason babin getting legit time from the get-go on the opposite side and last year's experience ... teams who were already afraid to run at mario are also going have to fear him trampling their quarterback.

that will happen quickly, and as the double teams amp up, look out for demeco ... the only thing keeping him from 5+ sacks last year as a rookie was simply being too eager and rookie mistakes (and arguably the scorekeeper also). demeco has an uncanny ability like all great linebackers to be on the ball. all of the talk of "he's too little, he's not strong enough to shed blockers" as i said the moment he was drafted is utter nonsense. ryans has that unteachable football instinct that guys like urlacher and ray lewis and zach thomas are just born with. those two "worst draft ever" picks are going to solidify a top defense. make no mistake, while we complain & moan about "south denver", we're doing what's been successful for the broncos. great coaching, an overabundance of pure physical talent on defense, and as seen from last season, we're building our core ... the trenches. there's plenty to be excited about in the near future. one or two breaks last year and we're .500+. with the loss of cook, the addition of spencer and black, ahman green being much better than any back we had last season, and adding one or two starters in the draft ... we could very well suprise a lot of people.
 
What I would like to see is all of the football experts here to say, "Hey, enough of David Carr, here is what I think about X", with X being anything about Texans football not David Carr or a thin attempt of disguise and still being about David Carr.

So haters and lovers, do you accept the challenge or will you too curl up into a little ball and regurgitate the same stuff? Can you generate a serious front page of the Bullpen with no Carr posts?

I say you can't. You don't know enough about football.

Reverse psychology? No. I think as a group you are all that limited. Sorry, but you've proved it over the past six months.

I'm not one of the football experts but I've been in the middle (on both sides) of Carr debates so...

Hey, enough of David Carr, here is what I think about: Our Offensive Scheme.

I'm really concerned about the direction our offense is heading. When Kubiak first came here, there was all this talk about how we were going to mimic Denver's system. I'm afraid that Kubiak and Sherman are trying to synthesize a new offensive philosophy by combining Green Bay's power running offense with the Denver ZB running game. It concerns me that the type of line you need for one of those approaches is different than the approach you need for the other.

The power running game really needs big road grader type of linemen while the Denver zone blocking type of system needs smaller, more nimble linemen. And I'm afraid that by trying to mix these two schemes they're going to end up with a mix of linemen that don't function well together as a group.

When we finally ran the bootlegs off the Denver type of running play, it wasn't as much of a surprise because we hadn't been running that same running play (or variations of the same play) over and over again. Defenses saw us doing something unusual and knew to prepare for it.

Surely Kubiak and Sherman realize this. These guys have to be smarter about football strategy than I am but still, it worries me.

Now, if they are able to come up with something that's new and effective... then rock on. Never mind me.

:rant:

And while I'm on a soapbox, I'm tired of hearing how we don't need to spend early round draft choices on a running back. We are not Denver. We don't have Denver's level of talent, yet, and we're not the same offense. Maybe one day we'll be able to get away with that and maybe Lundy and Taylor will surprise us and blossom into great running backs next year, but I don't think we should pass up a great running back in the draft if one falls to us early just because it's early.

:rant:
 
I know this is lame, and I hate to do this, but:

These are ideas. Im not 100% on any of them
Running game - The reason our running game seems to flutter at times could be because the opposing safeties read run first, cover 2nd. Our gameplan, because of how Kubiak designed it, requires very quick passes. Not a lot of playaction, not a lot of 7 step drops to out routes or deep posts. The safeties can sneak up and play the run because they aren't worried about being beaten over the top.

Our WRs don't get good separation because they don't have time. When your gameplan is to throw the ball before 1.5s, its tough to do much other than get into your routes nad hope the defense is playing a type of D that allows you some space. Thats why we have so many 1 yard hitch routes. Easy separation. I honestly think if the pass blocking was better or if we could drop back for longer, maybe in shotgun, we'd get a better read on our receivers abilities. i refuse to believe that Eric Moulds, a receiver who demonstarted excellent route running in Buffalo, suddenly lost all his ability.

On TEs its the same. There is no way to stretch the field if 90% of your passing game focuses on the short routes. Add to that the fact that our QB seems hesitant to throw over the middle, and you soon realize why our TEs were making catches near the sidelines rather than on the seems down th emiddle of the field like, say, Indy TEs.

I will agree that the amount of Carr information is nauseating. But I also must confess that I think a quarterback change legitimately changes EVERY aspect of your football team. Change in quarterback play can make a perennial loser into a winner. Think back to all the horrible teams that have jumped into the playoffs over the past 5 or so years. What do they all have in common? Quarterback improvement.

San Diego - worst team in the league. Brees steps up his play, the team is in the playoffs

NO - 2nd worst team in the league. Brees comes aboard, the team is in the playoffs

Pittsburgh - Top 10 draft pick, Roethlisberger comes on board, the team is in the playoffs

I mean, I know its old to hear about DC so often, but if hear me out:
As a Texan fan, I know our team is bad. I know we lose often. I can think two things:
Either 1) Every position on our team needs an upgrade

OR

2) The QB play has been so poor that the offense is totally out of rhythm, thus leaving the defense on the field all game long and leading to misleading results

If option 1 is correct, this team will take 2-5 years to become contenders.

if option 2 is correct, cutting or trading Carr and replacing him with someone better will take the team to where I want it to be in 1-2 years.
As far as San Diego, I have 2 letters for you: LT
NO? A talented team that has perennially disappointed AND had to deal with Katrina/16 road games.
Pittsburgh? HAHA!!! They've missed the playoffs like 3 times in 15 years. I can't BELIEVE they did it with Big Ben. Boy, he had a GREAT year in '06. I'm not a Carr homer or anything, I just don't see us getting better at the position this year, period. My BIG question is did we start doing all the stupid game planning(short routes/quick reads/throws) because of DC or because of the general ineptness of our O? A case can be made either way. Very good point about our D being on the field too long. That would be different if they could actually stop 3rd and intermediate to long reliably.
 
just to touch on new orleans and san diego. new orleans was a good team to begin with and had been for a few years, all they've needed was a legit quarterback. they landed brees and got insanely lucky by getting colston who almost immediately replaced horn as the #1 receiver. the only suprising thing about new orleans is that they lost bentley without any significant dropoff.

san diego was primed in many ways, and LT had nothing to do with it. LT's big season was during their 4-12 year, and he fell off significantly next year when they went 12-4. what changed is SD started FOUR new offensive linemen and picked up igor olshansky, shawn phillips, & nate kaeding in the draft. antonio gates came into his own that year (his second year) and that combination allowed brees to become the quarterback we know today.

new orleans was already a good team, and san diego in a season in 1/2 was able to build both sides of their lines.
 
just to touch on new orleans and san diego. new orleans was a good team to begin with and had been for a few years, all they've needed was a legit quarterback. they landed brees and got insanely lucky by getting colston who almost immediately replaced horn as the #1 receiver. the only suprising thing about new orleans is that they lost bentley without any significant dropoff.

san diego was primed in many ways, and LT had nothing to do with it. LT's big season was during their 4-12 year, and he fell off significantly next year when they went 12-4. what changed is SD started FOUR new offensive linemen and picked up igor olshansky, shawn phillips, & nate kaeding in the draft. antonio gates came into his own that year (his second year) and that combination allowed brees to become the quarterback we know today.

new orleans was already a good team, and san diego in a season in 1/2 was able to build both sides of their lines.
Did you miss the 31 TD's and 2300 yds of offense LT brought to the table last year??? The dude was a MONSTER!!! Other than that, I agree that '05 was the year they turned it around. Losing in the playoffs was a major surprise and a fluke that seems to happen most years.
 
Did you miss the 31 TD's and 2300 yds of offense LT brought to the table last year??? The dude was a MONSTER!!! Other than that, I agree that '05 was the year they turned it around. Losing in the playoffs was a major surprise and a fluke that seems to happen most years.

i definitely saw that, but i was just illustrating that LT wasnt what made the chargers ... and even during his breakout season couldnt single handedly carry the chargers past 4 wins. offensive line, defensive line ... those are the only real changes to occur during the chargers dramatic change. brees, LT, gates, neal, donnie edwards, jammer ... all of these guys were around for their 4 win year, but they didnt have the trenches needed to utilize any of them. they still dont have receivers, their secondary isnt great. it all begins and ends in the trenches and when the chargers robbed the giants in 04 in the draft to build their defense, along with building their offensive line the year before, they became a powerhouse.

(edited for clarity)
 
How does Green fit our offense? How is our o-line talent wise? Do Kubiak's actions follow his words? Will Ryans have a sophomore slump? Will last year's street free agent defensive tackles make the team? Will they start? Should we pattern our offense after Denver which has unusual schemes and players in the NFL, or should we build a more standard team first?

Are these too hard to address?

I'd like to hear opinions about many areas, and things I haven't even thought of.

instead of just ideas, you should make these seperate topics.

green fits as a sherman product which is what our offense is seemingly based on ... we played more sherman last season than kubiak. green is a more straight line runner and screen threat than our current backs. he's more apt to follow and cut behind the fullback than anyone else we have, which is why dayne worked so well behind leach since dayne IMO is a good blend of kubiak & sherman. based on last year's playcalling, we dont need a one-cut ZBS (follow your linemen, not the hole) runningbacks, we need a back who's used to the basic zbs combined with line trickery and power back sets. green does that and is familiar with the kubiak 101 playbook and everything sherman wants to do. if we focused on kubiak's ZBS, green would struggle and we'd look more towards taylor & lundy, but with sherman back that wont be the case.

our O-line is fairly talented, but poorly utilized. i'm as guilty of shuffling as capers and anyone else on this board but with my research i consider myself more informed, as you are runner so i take your disagreements here to heart. spencer as i've preached is an all time great if he comes back healthy and there is zero basis on moving him from left tackle other than the uninformed (ooh he's 330lbs, play him at guard or right tackle!). winston while improved is still a backup, but he's definitely a tackle ... right now he's our starting right tackle. black who you disapprove of is better than salaam and works for me as a backup swing tackle. pitts is wrong for the left side IMO (as i've said for 3+ years), but that's where he's been so dont mess with what (relatively) works ... we've got our left guard ... pitts' best position is right tackle if you ask me. in my ideal world, pitts starts RT with winston as our swing tackle. weary's pedigree is center, and that's where he's most suited with his first backstep and lateral movement, but i dont expect him to leave right guard. i like flanagan in the ZBS and he worked well with pitts in that scheme. as a power I center, he doesnt have the core strength and is a liability one on one for an extended time (although, he's good at blitz pickup and directing traffic). mckinney as much as i hate to admit is an asset as a part timer. we still need 2-4 players on the line ... in the "my world" mentioned, we need 2 starting guards (black can bandaid one of them, and mckinney the other). spencer - black - weary - mckinney - pitts ... flanagan backup center, winston swing tackle, salaam as a utility. wont happen, but that's what i like.

i have zero reason to doubt anything kubiak says, i'm not sure where your intent is here.

ryans wont have a sophmore slump. if anything, demeco had a freshman slump. with his play, demeco should've had much more significant stats ... at worst he'll play like he did last year. ryans has that natural football instinct and by eliminating his rookie mistakes can only get better. the worst thing that could happen to demeco is he has the same OLB's around him. with any improvement on his flanks and he'll be free'd up to be more agressive in the passing game and we've already seen how he locates the ball carrier and can break pass blocking.

with the release of payne, it's obvious that atleast 2 or 3 of last year's walkons will get significant consideration during preseason. remember though, we lost 7 defensive tackles to IR last season so i expect kubiak to put a little more stock into that competition and open an additional couple of slots on the practice squad for the d-line. malone, cochran, killings, thomas johnson, and dalton will be be working their tails off this offseason. starters as of right now are weaver and travis johnson ... that might change during camp but as long as TJ proves himself, he holds the spot. weaver is NOT a defensive end. he's a tackle who needs to adjust to his gap. babin will be the pass rusher that's expected as long as he doesnt get shafted until mid season yet again (i said before the season that babin would lead our team in sacks, and he did so in 1/2 a season of playing time), and kalu is a strong backup. if peek doesnt get signed, i'd keep him as a backup specialist or i'd honestly consider moving orr forward in a modified 3-4 in passing downs like we did last year.

as for denver ... no. we're not remotely denver's offense. where we're similar is on defense. denver stockpiles brains and uncanny athleticism on defense and that's what we've obviously been doing. we dont have the luxury of being a denver offense but kubiak is working towards that goal. it's always a fun fact that denver developes late round linemen into probowlers ... that's all well and good, but we dont have a 15 year head start and "skill" players to trade in order to fill holes. kubiak knows damn well that if the denver scenario is going to work, it's not going to work for another decade and it's up to him to lay the foundation. his scheme is based on a compilation of sherman, kubiak, shanahan, and the talent available ... that's one hell of a hard task. we'll see with the draft if we're going to be a denver offense. a quarterback in the middle rounds, 2 offensive linemen and a defense heavy draft. proof that we're denver south is when we trade an offensive starter for defensive talent.

as for how we should build, we build around our talent and coaching. both coaches are run oriented. sherman however is a mid range passing, power I, and focuses on screen plays. kubiak is a ZBS (same as sherman to an extent), with more of a WCO one-back mindset with creative screen plays and likes to spread the field horizontally. the common denominator in both playbooks is very agile linemen and flexible tight ends. this has to be our focus on offense ... drafting legs on the offensive line. with pitts, spencer, and winston, we're doing relatively well on that path, but there's a lot of space to be filled. it's going to take time to hit that goal ... but last year's draft gave us a major head start. our biggest targets are completing that offensive line which will both lead to wins and also to offseason moves that both kubiak and smith are used to. take the tatum bell trade, and the clinton portis trades as perfect examples. coaching on offense, talent on defense. both coaches are fully aware that once the trenches are built, the possibilities 5-10 years down the road are endless.

edit: it's WAY past my bedtime and i havent had breakfast so please dont quote me ... some or all of this might be edited.
 
How does Green fit our offense? How is our o-line talent wise? Do Kubiak's actions follow his words? Will Ryans have a sophomore slump? Will last year's street free agent defensive tackles make the team? Will they start? Should we pattern our offense after Denver which has unusual schemes and players in the NFL, or should we build a more standard team first?

Are these too hard to address?

I'd like to hear opinions about many areas, and things I haven't even thought of.

Runner, I will give it a shot, although I have been baited into some of those "other threads"

1. Green fits because of the system he ran in with Mike Sherman in Green Bay and can provide some veteran leadership - especially if Dayne is gone.

2. Our O-line has a long way to go, BUT, its probably the most talent and depth that we've ever had. Should Spencer make it back, we should be in 'okay' shape.

3. Giving Kubiak the benefit of the doubt (for now) I would say that they do, but again, thats giving him the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC. His sophomore year should be more telling.

4. Ryans, a sophmore slump? Barring injury (God forbid), I would expect him to pick up, right where he left off and improving beyond that. Of course he has spoiled us, so he automatically will have extremely high expectations on him... I think other aquisitions on the D are Key.

5. I don't think any of the 'street free agents' Smith brough in will start, but I expect that they will make the squad and if nothing else, provide us some needed depth.

6. Since we both run the WCO, people will always draw comparisons between Denver and us, given the personnel ties, from Kubiak, to Dayne, to Putzier - etc. What the Texans need to do is find their own personality within the WCO scheme. People do not confuse Denver with Philly, so until we get our own identity, unfortunately the comparison becomes too easy..
 
Well this is about the upcoming draft so he's not a Texan..but its what i'd like to see and why.

We all know our offensive line problems. Spencer was a great pick and if he can make it back 100% then he's our starting LT. If he can't..maybe he could be a guard. I havn't seen enough of Eric Winston. I would like to think he is our long term answer for RT...has he shown us enough that he should be starting the first game in '07 or is it because of a lack of anybody else. I like Fred Weary and Chester Pitts, I think they are good enough to be our starters for now and don't see any need to draft a G in day 1. Black is the new OG we signed?? What I read about him, I tend to like. It doesn't sound like to me he's going to be starting though...but solid back up for sure, and I do like Ephraim as back up LT. McKinney is back up at best for me...he's a short term answer at C and we know that..he doubles at guard for sure. Flannigan is done. Hogdone has not impressed me enough to warrant a backup at C...maybe 3rd string at best.

So onto my player. Ryan Kalil, the C from USC. This guy will most likely be taken late 1st round or early 2nd round...it's doubtful he will be available at the 7th pick in the 2nd round. As much as I hate trading away draft picks that we need...I would consider giving up a second day pick and our 2nd rd pick to move up for him...either to the top of the 2nd or end of the 1st.

I truly think Kalil would be an important choice for us. He is a perfect fit in the ZBS that Kubiak is using. He's easily the best C in this draft class too.
Good quickness...Moves well and has great range...Is extremely smart with great football instincts and is like a coach along the offensive line...Still has the frame to pack on some additional pounds...Does a nice job in pass protection...Is tough, a hard worker and a leader with top-notch intangibles...Excellent technician...Just a steady, all-around player who has a ton of experience against elite competition.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/ryankalil.html

He had a very good senior bowl and combine. ran a 4.96 40yd dash, while not important for an OLman...it does show his speed...thats fast.

His knocks on him are his size. He is a hair under 300lbs and is said he should bulk up and hit the weight room, because of that he "struggles with massive defensive tackles"...I found it funny that the word 'massive' was used.

I think with good training and bulking up he would be simply amazing. I want us to draft him so we don't have to put one of our guards at C like Weary or McKinney. Kalil would be our long term answer to the C position with Spencer and Winston taking LT and RT respectively. Those three guys would all be extremely young and a GREAT start to an o-line. Just think of the three of them playing together for 3 seasons and tell me we won't have an incredible...still young o-line. We finally would have built an o-line..something we've never had...and C is really the last piece imo....Kalil is a true Center and that's what we need, not a G/C.

EDIT: and it would help Carr out....haha sorry.
 
Well this is about the upcoming draft so he's not a Texan..but its what i'd like to see and why.

We all know our offensive line problems. Spencer was a great pick and if he can make it back 100% then he's our starting LT. If he can't..maybe he could be a guard. I havn't seen enough of Eric Winston. I would like to think he is our long term answer for RT...has he shown us enough that he should be starting the first game in '07 or is it because of a lack of anybody else. I like Fred Weary and Chester Pitts, I think they are good enough to be our starters for now and don't see any need to draft a G in day 1. Black is the new OG we signed?? What I read about him, I tend to like. It doesn't sound like to me he's going to be starting though...but solid back up for sure, and I do like Ephraim as back up LT. McKinney is back up at best for me...he's a short term answer at C and we know that..he doubles at guard for sure. Flannigan is done. Hogdone has not impressed me enough to warrant a backup at C...maybe 3rd string at best.

So onto my player. Ryan Kalil, the C from USC. This guy will most likely be taken late 1st round or early 2nd round...it's doubtful he will be available at the 7th pick in the 2nd round. As much as I hate trading away draft picks that we need...I would consider giving up a second day pick and our 2nd rd pick to move up for him...either to the top of the 2nd or end of the 1st.

I truly think Kalil would be an important choice for us. He is a perfect fit in the ZBS that Kubiak is using. He's easily the best C in this draft class too.
Good quickness...Moves well and has great range...Is extremely smart with great football instincts and is like a coach along the offensive line...Still has the frame to pack on some additional pounds...Does a nice job in pass protection...Is tough, a hard worker and a leader with top-notch intangibles...Excellent technician...Just a steady, all-around player who has a ton of experience against elite competition.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/ryankalil.html

He had a very good senior bowl and combine. ran a 4.96 40yd dash, while not important for an OLman...it does show his speed...thats fast.

His knocks on him are his size. He is a hair under 300lbs and is said he should bulk up and hit the weight room, because of that he "struggles with massive defensive tackles"...I found it funny that the word 'massive' was used.

I think with good training and bulking up he would be simply amazing. I want us to draft him so we don't have to put one of our guards at C like Weary or McKinney. Kalil would be our long term answer to the C position with Spencer and Winston taking LT and RT respectively. Those three guys would all be extremely young and a GREAT start to an o-line. Just think of the three of them playing together for 3 seasons and tell me we won't have an incredible...still young o-line. We finally would have built an o-line..something we've never had...and C is really the last piece imo....Kalil is a true Center and that's what we need, not a G/C.

EDIT: and it would help Carr out....haha sorry.

Nice case for Kalil OT but IMO the difference between him and Satele for example who might still be there in round 3 when we pick is not enough to warrant giving up that much to get him.
 
I'm not one of the football experts but I've been in the middle (on both sides) of Carr debates so...

Hey, enough of David Carr, here is what I think about: Our Offensive Scheme.

I'm really concerned about the direction our offense is heading. When Kubiak first came here, there was all this talk about how we were going to mimic Denver's system. I'm afraid that Kubiak and Sherman are trying to synthesize a new offensive philosophy by combining Green Bay's power running offense with the Denver ZB running game. It concerns me that the type of line you need for one of those approaches is different than the approach you need for the other.

The power running game really needs big road grader type of linemen while the Denver zone blocking type of system needs smaller, more nimble linemen. And I'm afraid that by trying to mix these two schemes they're going to end up with a mix of linemen that don't function well together as a group.

When we finally ran the bootlegs off the Denver type of running play, it wasn't as much of a surprise because we hadn't been running that same running play (or variations of the same play) over and over again. Defenses saw us doing something unusual and knew to prepare for it.

Surely Kubiak and Sherman realize this. These guys have to be smarter about football strategy than I am but still, it worries me.

Now, if they are able to come up with something that's new and effective... then rock on. Never mind me.

:rant:

And while I'm on a soapbox, I'm tired of hearing how we don't need to spend early round draft choices on a running back. We are not Denver. We don't have Denver's level of talent, yet, and we're not the same offense. Maybe one day we'll be able to get away with that and maybe Lundy and Taylor will surprise us and blossom into great running backs next year, but I don't think we should pass up a great running back in the draft if one falls to us early just because it's early.

:rant:

Great post. I've had the same questions about the "Gulf Coast Offense." It seems to be power-running up the center of the line with lots of roll-outs by the quarterback, and the mesh of line schemes is not mixing well. Lighter power blockers doesn't work. I hope that during the offseason Kubes and Sherman take a good look at the offense they've started and work out strategy.

As far as the running back position goes, it is en mode right now to rotate two - to - three running backs constantly. The Texans picking up Green tells me they want a multiple back system. It is something that would help Green out (due to wear and tear and age). Taking an early-round running back would only improve things for the Texans. I imagine AP and Green taking the ball in the backfield, with Lundy or Dayne taking snaps, too. That would give the Texans a strong running game, which they rely on.
 
The Texans could hardly be accused of having lighter OLmen right now.

Spencer--340 + lbs
Pitts--320 lbs
Flanagan--301 lbs
Weary--308 lbs
Winston--310 lbs

My understanding was that Kubes wanted his players to lower their weight to ~300. At least one cut lineman was concerned because he was "no longer of playing weight" after having been in the Texans organization.

So even though the weights are reported higher, my understanding is that they are all closer to 300, except Spencer. Depending on who you ask, he is either in good shape or not at all. Personally, I have no idea.
 
How about we just keep all the non-Carr discussion in this thread? :joker:

Or...we keep the DC talk ( i'm refraining from throwing another snide remark on the thread at the moment) to one thread ? That would certainly be something completly different.

So which is it a good tallented o-line not properly "utilized"
our O-line is fairly talented, but poorly utilized. I'm as guilty of shuffling as capers and anyone else on this board but with my research i consider myself more informed

or:

2. Our O-line has a long way to go, BUT, its probably the most talent and depth that we've ever had. Should Spencer make it back, we should be in 'okay' shape.

The last "Spencer line" that I saw last was January where someone posted that the guy was doing some lite running...by a "freind". Imediatly followed by someone else who some him standing on the side line some where" with a noticable limp. So which is it ?

The next two things I saw is Kubiak beating the "Spencer will be back at 100%" stuff like a man taking a two by four to a rat in the kitchen. Hard and frantic.

Spencer was a great pick and if he can make it back 100% then he's our starting LT. If he can't..maybe he could be a guard.

Old Miss I luv ya and all big guy, but if the cartlidge isn't going to get well ,it's not going to get well. There's no "IF" with Spencer's leg. Either he's going to get better or he's not. Agree with you if the leg is mending they could stick him at RT and protect the post leg...But...as far as I KNOW, no one has said this is a lock. The coach is going out of his way saying it's not.

Just saw the Megan Manfull article...I guess she must know something the rest of us don't ? She just put all of her chips on that leg for '07. Shrewd.

Spin the wheel there Montey, let's see what the Texans have won in '07.
 
So haters and lovers, do you accept the challenge or will you too curl up into a little ball and regurgitate the same stuff?

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Black has played some G in the NFL, but he started all last year at LT and played LT in college.

Which means he's perfect for the guard spot.

Sincerely,
Joe Pendry
 
My understanding was that Kubes wanted his players to lower their weight to ~300. At least one cut lineman was concerned because he was "no longer of playing weight" after having been in the Texans organization.

So even though the weights are reported higher, my understanding is that they are all closer to 300, except Spencer. Depending on who you ask, he is either in good shape or not at all. Personally, I have no idea.

I don't think it really matters how heavy the lineman are as long as they can get moving past the offensive lineman to the linebackers with the quickness. If our OL can do that at weights of 330 that is fine....as long as they can do that....the only reason people say lighter offensive lineman are because traditionally they are the ones who have the best mobility.
 
If our OL can do that at weights of 330 that is fine....as long as they can do that....the only reason people say lighter offensive lineman are because traditionally they are the ones who have the best mobility.

Agreed. If the guy is 350 but fast as Deion Sanders, weight doesn't matter. But in general a lineman who loses weight will be faster and quicker than a lineman who does not. That's what the coaches were going for. They wanted strong linemen, but they also wanted lighter linemen, so they had them diet. My question is that by losing bulk do they lose power to dominate the line. I suppose in theory this is where the cut-block comes in. But this is where it gets weird to me.
 
Or...we keep the DC talk ( i'm refraining from throwing another snide remark on the thread at the moment) to one thread ? That would certainly be something completly different.

So which is it a good tallented o-line not properly "utilized"


or:



The last "Spencer line" that I saw last was January where someone posted that the guy was doing some lite running...by a "freind". Imediatly followed by someone else who some him standing on the side line some where" with a noticable limp. So which is it ?

The next two things I saw is Kubiak beating the "Spencer will be back at 100%" stuff like a man taking a two by four to a rat in the kitchen. Hard and frantic.



Old Miss I luv ya and all big guy, but if the cartlidge isn't going to get well ,it's not going to get well. There's no "IF" with Spencer's leg. Either he's going to get better or he's not. Agree with you if the leg is mending they could stick him at RT and protect the post leg...But...as far as I KNOW, no one has said this is a lock. The coach is going out of his way saying it's not.

Just saw the Megan Manfull article...I guess she must know something the rest of us don't ? She just put all of her chips on that leg for '07. Shrewd.

Spin the wheel there Montey, let's see what the Texans have won in '07.

Pete, I wish you'd be a little more careful with how you cut and paste things. You shouldn't cut information from multiple poster's messages without putting in the ascription showing which poster made which statement. I know this was unintentional but by replying to my post and leaving my name in and then grabbing pieces of other people's posts and not putting thier names in, it makes it look like you were responding just to me and that I had made those statements about the linemen... when I hadn't.

Also, by clipping Scooter's comment, you kinda changed it's meaning a little bit.

And by taking a statement from Scooter and a statement from Texan Bill and then saying "So which one is it", it looks like you're saying that the same person was contradicting themselves in the same post.

So... please... be a little more careful with that in the future.
 
Agreed. If the guy is 350 but fast as Deion Sanders, weight doesn't matter. But in general a lineman who loses weight will be faster and quicker than a lineman who does not. That's what the coaches were going for. They wanted strong linemen, but they also wanted lighter linemen, so they had them diet. My question is that by losing bulk do they lose power to dominate the line. I suppose in theory this is where the cut-block comes in. But this is where it gets weird to me.

I'd bet that teams that are successful with lighter offensive lineman have the best Dieticians. Our Dietician is Roberta Anding. I know nothing about her haha.
 
Some things never change.

I find it quite peculiar someone would call themselves a Carr Homer after enduring 5 years of subpar to mediocre play. That would mean you're one of these three; 1) Not very knowledgeable on football. 2) A Carr relative or 3) a Carr stalker.:)
 
I accept your challenge. What we need is a DOMINATING DEFENSE, as we know our offense isn't going anywhere with Carr...oops I jsut said it. oh well, we should draft LANDRY
 
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