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Of course we should keep him. Given that the better free agent opportunities are evaporating, I am glad to see the decision to release Carr becoming incrementally more difficult.LOL.... Let me go check my answer in the 3,000 other threads, just to make sure I stay consistent....
Of course we should keep him. Given that the better free agent opportunities are evaporating, I am glad to see the decision to release Carr becoming incrementally more difficult.
You are acting like we'd be losing a lot by Starting Rosenfels and cutting David......this should be a no brainer.
Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.
Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win
Yes. It's very hard to imagine anybody that could be more pathetically inept than Carr....this should be a no brainer.
Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.
Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win
ehhhh. . it's the typical offseason where it's mostly pro-Carr. If this poll were to take place during actual football season, the results would be vastly different.Well it's early, but those results are going to hurt some folks. 65% wow !
Where has Carr shown that he is so much better than Rosebnfels..lol. I voted cut just for the sanity of the organization and so we can have damage control while moving forward. I think the talks so far have taken us to the edge of a cliff we can't get off....this should be a no brainer.
Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.
Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win
cut cut cut cut cut. . . what should they do?
All things considered, that's a little easier said than done.So, if you can, try & take the emotional part out of your decisions. It'll help you see more clearly.
IMO, it's beyond that. If they can't trade David, he'll be cut.I want carr gone more than many, but if we can't trade him this year, I say keep him around and let him compete. If Sage gets hurt, I'm not comfortable starting Van Pelt
I respect the opinion but this is team suicide. I know you are saying if he doesn't win it outright to cut him but overall if you think it is messy now, wait until the have a competition. No matter who wins out there is going to be a group or someone who is going to be cheering for the backup.,,same with the team. It is asking for a split team.You know why Carr hasn't been successful the past few years? He hasn't had to earn his spot. There has never been a possibility of Carr losing his starting spot. Change that. Make it an open competition. If he can't beat Rosenfels or a rookie, THEN you cut him. If he can earn it, he should have the job.
Some of you people crack me up. You're thinking with your emotions, rather than what's best for the organization.
I still believe in Carr, but I'm also smart enough to be able to read the writing on the wall. It's my opinion that Carr will be traded on draft day & that it will be to Oakland for a 3rd round pick.
However, to answer the original question in this thread, if we are unable to trade Carr, then we keep him. We're going to take a big hit from his bonus, whether we trade him, cut him, or keep him, anyway. We can always let him go at the end of the year, next year. But, the main reason for keeping him is, some team is most likely going to have their starting QB go down during the season. That team would be more willing to part with a 3rd, or possibly a 2nd round pick, if they're in the middle of a playoff run.
So, if you can, try & take the emotional part out of your decisions. It'll help you see more clearly.
Good post and good point! When you take into consideration all the comments that have been made among players, coaches, media, and fans, the atmosphere surrounding Carr has become so hostile, that it would be a distraction to the team.Exactly, which is why it is better off to get rid of the black cloud for the team's sake then keep him around. I've never advocated just cutting him outright, I'd like a pick but his value goes down if he isn't starting this year and is sitting on a bench. Not only that but you still have people who are always going to want the backup...especially if it is Carr or vice versa. This year isn't a year where we are winning anything. But we can start healing and growing and if Sage starts while a young guy learns I'm all for it. With Carr gone it gives us 5 million to spend later. Right now, we have an owner an dGM who have been willing to part with him, players who have said the team is better without him and a fan base that has grown weary. Why would you want the guy still on the team. Not only for the teams sake but for his sake.
I agree with both of you. I haven't been a fan of DC since 2002, but it would be unfair to him to subject him to all of the negativity.Good post and good point! When you take into consideration all the comments that have been made among players, coaches, media, and fans, the atmosphere surrounding Carr has become so hostile, that it would be a distraction to the team.
Exactly!It isn't like I continuously advocate getting rid of him because of something personal. It goes both ways. If things worked out well for all parties, great. I have doubts on whether the guy can succeed in the league but if he is given a fresh start and we are too and we can get down to some football...it is a win/win. My main focus though is the team.I agree with both of you. I haven't been a fan of DC since 2002, but it would be unfair to him to subject him to all of the negativity.
JMO, but I think any QB could throw (a) down field and (b) throw more than 11tds....this should be a no brainer.
Looking at the remaining free agent starting Qbs i'm not excited. There is a few Qb's we could look at as a project type.
Those in favor of cutting him are you really that sold on the idea of Rosenfels being your starter with what Quinton Porter your back up? If we draft a QB the only way i hope he sees any playing time is either due to injury or getting play time in a blowout win
just so everyone knows, but THAT mentality is the reason the Texans have been in a retarded state of development since Day One. Congratulations.keep him because why would you cut a player that you wasted a first round pick on? let him compete or keep him as a backup to sage.
What does hate have to do with any of the above posts?It is good for both sides. Did you ever think that people have opinions that benefit both sides.Patience there haters...someone will be desperately looking for a QB be now and the start of the season. Don't let your hate get in the way of making a smart decision.
Try rereading them. You don't just cut a player with value, that has never caused an uproar of any sort. Carr doesn't need to be cut to start the healing process, as one poster put it. That has to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read.What does hate have to do with any of the above posts?It is good for both sides. Did you ever think that people have opinions that benefit both sides.
That's pure ego talking. You can't have that attitude when trying to improve your football team. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses. If Matt Millen could do it, so can we.keep him because why would you cut a player that you wasted a first round pick on? let him compete or keep him as a backup to sage.
Well apperently there's 65% out there whom disagree with you. So is it a function of they are terribly misinformed or that the forty % even after the attacks are obsessing over DC ? Kinda funny actually. All of that ranting and raving, and you're still in the minority, by a lot. I never dreamed 65 %. A better man would take a second look. When the whole world is wrong and you still believe you're correct...take a second look ? One thing about it you guys are certainly consistant.just so everyone knows, but THAT mentality is the reason the Texans have been in a retarded state of development since Day One. Congratulations.
kudos to at least using the word wasted though, because that is what it was...a wasted pick.
What? This coming from you? You actually care about Carr's feelings after all the negativity that has come from you and the 37% of the other people in this poll.I agree with both of you. I haven't been a fan of DC since 2002, but it would be unfair to him to subject him to all of the negativity.
Seriously, this is a football team where guys get paid millions, not a high school most popular contest. It is about what is best for the team after taking everything into consideration. You do know there is a situation where everyone comes out ahead instead of putting a round peg into a square hole?My Lord. I am in debt up to my ears from school loans in my past and I'm working my tail off for my wife and kid to be. I don't feel sorry for a guy getting millions because message board pundits don't want him here.What? This coming from you? You actually care about Carr's feelings after all the negativity that has come from you and the 37% of the other people in this poll.
it only proves that a lot of people are stubborn and wont cut their losses...Well apperently there's 65% out there whom disagree with you. So is it a function of they are terribly misinformed or that the forty % even after the attacks are obsessing over DC ? Kinda funny actually. All of that ranting and raving, and you're still in the minority, by a lot. I never dreamed 65 %. A better man would take a second look. When the whole world is wrong and you still believe you're correct...take a second look ? One thing about it you guys are certainly consistant.
No it isn't froggie. It isn't a popularity contest. But I think the point of the little thread is that there are a minority who've been consistant DC haters, and the rest of us still have open minds. Trade him , cut him, stand pat and pay the salary next season, a lot of us feel that what ever they do we'll be on board. I don't know what they'll do at this point. Might be they are stuck with him now and the choices are enter the season with him or cut him out right. You're starting QB should be more than a mascot. DC certainly digressed last year. But their options are dwindling every week at QB in free agency. He could well be here again next season.Seriously, this is a football team where guys get paid millions, not a high school most popular contest. It is about what is best for the team after taking everything into consideration. You do know there is a situation where everyone comes out ahead instead of putting a round peg into a square hole?My Lord. I am in debt up to my ears from school loans in my past and I'm working my tail off for my wife and kid to be. I don't feel sorry for a guy getting millions because message board pundits don't want him here.
Alas. Someone with common sense. However, it is falling on deaf ears.No it isn't froggie. It isn't a popularity contest. But I think the point of the little thread is that there are a minority who've been consistant DC haters, and the rest of us still have open minds. Trade him , cut him, stand pat and pay the salary next season, a lot of us feel that what ever they do we'll be on board. I don't know what they'll do at this point. Might be they are stuck with him now and the choices are enter the season with him or cut him out right. You're starting QB should be more than a mascot. DC certainly digressed last year. But their options are dwindling every week at QB in free agency. He could well be here again next season.
As far as you're personell situation...it could be worse. Trust me on this. Try to keep a positive attitude and remember this is the best time in your life. Looks like a mountian right now, but the worm will turn. You'll reach the peak. That which doesn't kill ya makes you stronger.
I think the only thing we've lacked with DC is a six pack of patience. And another personal attack by you isn't going to change that opinion. So DC hasn't given you instant gratifacation and now you wanna scream and squeal like a little girl , hold your breath stomp your feet, untill you get your way...nice. Attack everyone who disagrrees with you. They just might keep they guy. I'm wondering how many years all of this is taking off of your life expectancy there Honeymoon ? I can see those arteries cloging as I post. Too funny.it only proves that a lot of people are stubborn and wont cut their losses...
but whatever, keep defending the loser and blaming all his shortcomings on the rest of the franchise...it wont be anything i havent heard already
. . . what should they do?
do you actually believe that? 5 years and counting....I think the only thing we've lacked with DC is a six pack of patience. And another personal attack by you isn't going to change that opinion. So DC hasn't given you instant gratifacation and now you wanna scream and squeal like a little girl , hold your breath stomp your feet, untill you get your way...nice. Attack everyone who disagrrees with you. They just might keep they guy. I'm wondering how many years all of this is taking off of your life expectancy there Honeymoon ? I can see those arteries cloging as I post. Too funny.
How about a rookie straight out of college?Yes. It's very hard to imagine anybody that could be more pathetically inept than Carr.
ehhhh. . it's the typical offseason where it's mostly pro-Carr. If this poll were to take place during actual football season, the results would be vastly different.
To tell you the truth. There should have been a 3rd option in the poll that said,"Make the best decision for the team (ability/team/money wise) when deciding what to do."Wow, 2 out 3 want to "keep him".
Local media = clueless and biased
one could use your metaphor and say that Carr is the huge sick tree taking up all the sunlight and water all the while infecting the other trees with its sickness. In turn, this causes the other trees to never be able to grow and mature into the trees we thought they were when we planted them. once the huge sick tree is taken down the rest of the forest would be able to grow, prosper, and thrive.To tell you the truth. There should have been a 3rd option in the poll that said,"Make the best decision for the team (ability/team/money wise) when deciding what to do."
That option would have been your clear cut winner.
I think the majority of the posters/fans just want what's best for the Texans and we trust Smith/Kubiak to handle it how they see fit.
Really, we are on the fence when it comes to DC. We see no upgrade opportunites in FA. IF Rosenfels, beats him out, fine I can live with that.
I just don't want the Texans to cut him for the sake of it unless they feel that is what is needed.
The ABC gang here is standing in a forest with a bunch of dead/sick trees. However, they can see only one of them with a #8 painted on it's trunk. They think that if they just cut that one tree down and burn it. The rest of the trees will regain their health. Nevermind that they could have sold that tree for some money.
Instead they want to plant a high priced tree that holds no value for 2 maybe 3 years. The problem is that tree probably won't be at the store when they go buy it and they already cut the #8 tree down and burnt it.